It is legally arguable as to the invasion being illegal, but until the UN officially declares it to be illegal, it is only your opinion that it is illegal and your opinion does not count for anymore than what it is, an opinion.

Do you understand english properly ? did you read the question ? read it again and try answering it this time..


Even with what you said , you show how foolish your being.. you seriously think there actually IS a correct time to poke peole in the eye with sticks :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Thats the funniest thing i have heard all day.. seriously , even my youngest son is smarter than that.

Fuck my opinion, and fuck yours :

.. and even worse now, knowing that all the WMD was fabricated shit and that the OCCUPATION continues ...

But again, what is the point, you will say:

" Yes, but Saddam was a bad man " ... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Yea but maybe they just feel like they are getting a raw deal?

I think a big problem is the extremists on the both sides.

The Supreme Court only said that the President exceeded his authority regarding Military Tribunals because Congress has to be involved, not that Military Tribunals are illegal. I expect that Congress is going to correct that problem.

The Supreme Court also did not rule against the detainees being held forever, which they could be, if they are granted POW status, or at least untill the Gobal War on Terrorism is adjuged to be at an end.

A raw deal like demanding to exchange 1000 arrested prisoners for 1 kidnapped soldier? Yes extremists on both sides are really fucking shit up but there is a method to the Israeli madness whereas the Palestinians are simply fight to err fight cause they will never achieve anything that way. The Israelis have a state now, the Palestinians really dont, they should worry about their country more.

No, but what I would say is, Kofi Annan's opinion is the opinion of one man and is not the official opinion of the UN. Lord Goldsmith's opinion, is the opinion of one man also.

Accusation of a crime is only that, an accusation. Until a person, or entity, is convicted of that crime is the person, or entity, actually guilty.

Dude why dont we talk about the topic of the thread, you keep going back into your anti-American tirades deeper and deeper, just get back to the issue at hand.

I read the fucking question and the answer is, yes. Yes, their is a correct time "to poke people in the eye with sticks". Some people deserve much worse than that. I am not a turn thy cheek kind of guy.

End of discussion ...

YOU ( read : YOU ) asked for an articl eabout the illegal war of Iraq ... Not ME ... YOU...

Now it is served on a platter, and don't like the look of it ...

So let's change .... or go back ...

Now, being anti-war, anti-bush is not being anti-americans ... well maybe in your poor brain.

I don't like punk music, but I am not anti punk .. I just don't care for it...

What am I doing ??? trying to educate a donkey ...

Bye Bye...

That's exactly what the west's policy of destabilization in that region is aimed at preventing.

No he didn't ask for an article and you cannot porvide what he did ask for.

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Show me the exact UN law, resolution, or mandate the USA has broken please. Oh and sorry my friend a newspaper would not contain that information lol.

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That made my day.

I like facts too.

LOL ... never drama here just annoying to see ignorant people yapping...

The USA and Israel have violated the UN more than any other nations. There have been dozens of resolutions against both countries which have only not passed because of a US veto. I could go grab a book and give your more details but it's up to you to provide your own education, you're not my kid. Get a fucking library card.

Were you being serious? Sorry, I thought you were kidding.


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Awesome.... Are they a particular species of the human race or do they just however around GFY in the hope of being relevant? :1orglaugh

I can't believe there are actually people out there who's brains are affected by Fox News' subtle "Israel RESPONDS to an attack by bombing..." bullshit. That's fucking funny. There are actually people in America who think that all Israel does is respond to attacks. Even their offenses and targetted assasinations, I have to assume. Hilarious, but also a little scary.

So why don't you post some ( with the backup ) instead of your " opinions" ...

I did post facts , you didn't.

One one hand, you guys claim that " Regime change" was OK because Saddam was not elected legitimely by the population: on the other hand, you approve of killing a legitimately elected official of a state ...

Flip - flop.

Seriously Mr Soul - I gave up trying to be an educator - it's not worth the effort and past the stage of educating.

Yes.. you are correct in what you say. Add to that the fact that the US has been "the" major objector in the history of the UN - not China, Russia or any other Security Council members.

At the same time, the US remains the largest single club member who has not paid their club fees - and currently now owing around $600 mill.

It is only your opinion (as well as others) that they have violated UN reolutions. If the UN does not pass a resolution stating that a UN resolution has been broken then a UN resolution has not officially been broken.

Just as in a criminal court, if one juror votes to aquit then the defendant is found not guilty.

Everything I have posted is a fact. Please dispute anything that I have posted with opposing facts, if you can. You are posting opinion, either yours or others, but you are not posting counter facts.

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I am choking !!!!!

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Me: opinions, backed by articles with the Head of the UN

You: facts, backed by ... euh .... nothing !!!

Get treated, asap :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

An yet the US still remains the largest contributor to the UN by far, financially, as well as militarily.

You fool were you ever being in that region? there is full blown war on the ground and behind the scenes.

Very nice sitting in a nice safe place ha? imagining going on a bus and looking around you.. maybe it's your day you explode... Israel assassinate to prevent those type of attacks and so far THIS SHIT WORKS!

Anyhow I'm outa here have a great 4th of July all!

You posted an article with one man's opinion. The "Head of the UN" is not the UN, and his opinion is his and not the official position of the UN. That is fact, now feel free to dispute it with fact, not opinion.

Says the one with more that 10,000 posts. Funny stuff.

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I can't believe anyone is so retarded to make such silly comments. There is a serious lack of education somewhere.

Mr Annan takes instructions from UN members. He is not a rolling cannon with a mouth. He is directed to make policy statements on behalf of the UN and is the person who states the "official position" of the UN.

That is the function of the Secretary General.

You really need to get yourself a clue... :1orglaugh

I do not have any doubt in my mind that some members of the UN are of the "opinion" that the US broke either the charter or a resolution, but that is the point, it is some member's opinion. They can present a resolution in an attempt to make their "opinion" official and binding but they have not done so and until they do it is only the opinions of some members.

Much like criminal law, an accusation is made, a defendant is charged, a defendant goes to trial, but until the defendant is "officially" convicted, it is only the opinion of the prosecutor (and possibly the audience) that the defendant has broken the law.

Why do I bother???

These "opinions" are not just silly personal ones' but backed up with legal opinion of international law and also to reflect the spirit in which a whatever.. treaty was originally signed and ratified.

The UN are the interpreters of their treaties and laws and what you call the "opinion" of Mr Annan is not his opinion, but that of the United Nations. That is his job as Secretary General - namely, to take instructions from UN membership to express the opinions and policy of the UN.

Gawd.. this is painful and can't be real - your "opinion" on other people's opinions simply does not matter.

In fact, forget opinions - they are not opinions in the first instance. They are statements of fact re United Nations policies and agreements/disagreements. Fuck all to do with opinions.

Who wants to suck my opinion ??????


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Cambaby probably would if it was a FACT !!!!

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He of course is not the only one at the UN that may be of one "opinion" but their opinion is still just that, an opinion. It will only become "official" if a resolution is officially proposed and passed. Then it will not be just an opinion of "some" members of the UN.

BTW, international law as well as most laws are arguable and are argued by legal scholars almost daily. Do you think that laws are written in stone much as Christians believe the ten commandments were handed down to Moses, inerrant laws, to be obeyed without argument.

Inerrant statements of fact? It is fact that some are of one opinion, but their opinion is not official fact.

That's just .... your .... OPINION :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Once again, in criminal law, a prosecutor may be of the opinion a defendant has broken the law, the Judge may be of the same opinion, most if not all of the audience may be of the same opinion, but until ALL of the jurors rule that the defendant is guilty of breaking the law, only then does it change from opinion to official fact.

considering on average Palestine families have 8 or 9 kids.. I'm guessing it would take a long time to run out.. :1orglaugh