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i've never had any problems with fleshlight. they have always been professional, courtious, and respectful in any communication I've had with them.
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You can't use affiliates to brand your product, then keep the gold traffic for yourself over (Type-ins + ALL Search Engines). |
OK, so if I decide to stop promoting you now, and I just didnt reach the minimum pay out (sales been not what they once were with FL) will you pay me out and close the account? Or pay me?
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Let's say we buy a banner for $2000.00 per month. We renew every months for 4-5 months. Now, you realize the product we are promoting via your site is selling well, and that the ROI must be interesting. You tell me to stop advertising so you can put your own banner promoting that product on your own site. Would you do that? I guess no, but it happened to us a few times... and it's okay (not ethic) since you are the owner of your site and can tell anybody to GFY if you want. Fleshlight doesn't own google.com / yahoo.com but by enforcing their TOS on ALL Search Engines, they are trying to "own" that traffic... which is not fair to affialites doing the worldwide branding, especially for such a "brand/type-ins" product. |
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but thats just me personally I think... there is a case for trademark there...... just cause one company does it doesn't mean another won't i'm not going to say it right or wrong - everyone has different ways of marketing THEIR product and at the end of the day it's THEIR product so they make the rules for THEIR product. as long as someone is upfront about it - it's fair game. their rules are THEIR rules. if you play in their sandbox you play by THEIR rules. if they change the rules - honestly - that's fair game as long as they give you fair notice of the rule change. in their sandbox they can make and change the rules any time they want. :2 cents: |
the proverbial ball was rolling for a pretty long time and built up a lot of steam before they pulled this one.
if they had enforced this TOS earlier they wouldn't be the Fleshlight that they are now. bait and switch. okie doke. call it what you will. now that fleshlight is a commonly typed in term search engine wise (thanks to affiliates)...they want all of that traffic to themselves. |
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wow bad move on Fleshlights part. Not smart at all
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at this rate of things I doubt they will have any affiliates at all.
I am dropping my links today, had enough of this affiliate fucking over crap |
I don't see the problem here. I got the same email and it specifically says "Hello EVERYONE" and "bidding"
Where the fuck is the confusion? It's not a policy I agree with, but the message was pretty clear to me. |
Hey FleshJosh after all this bad publicity and affliates dropping you, you might need some advertising, well we have some add spots on our homepage if you are intrested, hit me up :)
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I found a Picture of you BOy Alley.
http://www.workforyounebraska.com/images/people/p10.jpg You are THexy. :thumbsup |
New Email
To All Affiliates: This is a blanket e-mail addressing some concerns that have been voiced to us regarding an earlier email. We are not specifically targeting any affiliates out there and by no means were we trying to implicate any individuals as not adhering to our Terms of Service. The purpose of the earlier e-mail was to remind everyone of the Terms and Conditions and to give anyone bidding on trademark terms a reprieve. More specifically, we are taking a more aggressive stance on the PPC aspect of our affiliate program. We are trying to weed out those PPC affiliates who may be taking away from our business by giving customers the impression that they are fleshlight.com (http://fleshlight.com) by using it in their display URL. There was also some confusion about the use of fleshlight being in your domain name. To clarify, we are NOT stopping the use of fleshlight domain names, and any affiliate who has a site with the fleshlight name in it does NOT need to shut it down. Please keep in mind that this is a blanket email (as was the earlier one) reminding everyone of our Terms and Conditions. We have sent this email as a service to our valued affiliates and once again apologize for not marking the earlier email as a "mass communication" Thanks for all the hard work, The Fleshlight Team |
Thank You Fleshlight For The Clarification!
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This ppc policy does exist in mainstream and I personally LOVE IT.
It's so short sighted and just plain stupid to not allow your affiliates who are pushing your product to use the fucking product name in their ads. It's not taking any money away from the business, it's adding a shitload more. Stupid companies like this are great finds though because you can take their list of "restricted ppc terms" and advertise for the competition with them. So, instead of advertising for Fleshlight, make an adwords campaign advertising their competition, some dildo or plastic vagina or whatever and USE the fleshlight term in there. Your ad could be: Looking for Fleshlight? Screw them, try this instead. $19.95 for Jeanna's pussy. www.fleshlight-sucks.com You'd make a ton for the competition that way. I really love the affiliate managers who tell you the EXACT phrases NOT to bid on for their product. Those lists are pure gold for pushing the competitor products. So what's better fleshlight? Seeing your ad in the first spot then 10 competitors' ads right below you OR Seeing your ad in the first spot then 10 affiliates pushing all the sales to YOU? Right now you're saying you want exclusive rights to it on adwords, so you chose option 1 above. So, screw you fleshlight and all the stupid fucking mainstream companies, (99% of them) who think they're protecting their brand and making more money using this policy. You have no clue how much money YOU ARE LOSING with this stupid ass backwards policy. Let your affiliates make you sales, don't hinder them. Your offline marketing people should NOT be running your online marketing activities. |
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Read this and this. |
AKA, don't load their page into a frame.
Though they could view the source of traffic cash gold websites to see how to break frames. |
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I don't have the time or energy to respond to everyone's claims but I will make a statement that should encompass the general mood here. We are NOT trying to make people stop using SE or prohibiting people from using our name on their pages. It is simply a PPC thing. As for giving back to the affiliates who have "branded" our name, we do. It's called a 30% payout and it's just about the best you're going to find in the toy industry. Do you think it's fair for an affiliate to bid against us on our own name, drive up our costs on PPC, then get the 30% payout on top of that? If any affiliate would like to beef up their SE ranking and do well in the organic results, we have absolutely no problem with that. We just don't feel it's right that someone can open up an adwords account, simply put the name "Fleshlight" in their bid terms, and start making money of a name that we have been branding for 10 years. In reference to the smart ass comments being made by some, it's not unexpected I guess it hurts a little that I have NEVER made a negative comment toward any company and in fact, generally try to find something nice to say when companies post a new product or service but yet others can't seem to use that same mentality and want to jump on a bashing bandwagon rather than hit me up personally and discuss whatever problem(s) they are having. If anyone has any questions or needs anything at all, please hit me up.... 345334957 or [email protected]
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Pissed we never snuggle anymore... :Oh crap:( 100 twink snuggles.... |
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jesus get a room.
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If thats the case, it's no ones fault but your own. I'm not trying to be a prick, but it is their company. They can run it however they choose. If people don't agree with their terms, they can simply choose not to promote them. |
Fuck them, they support torrents.
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I am impressed by a company so protective of adwords and so arrogant about allowing the torrent people to send traffic and make money.
I guess they only feel that infringing is bad when they are the ones getting infringed. I am seeing a pattern in all of this: Any company that brings no distributable product to the table (dating, fleshlight, sex toys, cams) all pretty much appear to have no issue with torrent sites because they are never going to get ripped off themselves. They are apparently very protective of thier own names and products, though. Get a clue people - most of these companies are robbing you blind and fucking you in the ass without lube. |
interesting thread. makes me hesitant about starting a se campaign with them. if i out rank them will they have problems?
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Bad PR disaster for Fleshlight :1orglaugh:1orglaugh Jesus get some people in there that know how to do there damn jobs :2 cents: |
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Actually scratch that...I guess it sucks that you'll also have all the referrer URLs from Google in the logs, so you'll know EXACTLY which terms to bid on. Talk about playing dirty. Thank god I don't promote you - would of been a glorious waste of my time. I feel bad for those who already do. |
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if i would get an email like this from a sponsor i use i would drop them in a heartbeat. |
hm shady shit seems to attract nice words from bros, i love the objectivity in this biz :1orglaugh
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and this surprises you because?
didnt ramos rep that company for a while? nuff said :1orglaugh |
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Josh, why are the torrent site comments not being addressed?
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