once again i have yet to see anyone base a conspiracy on this.. but i think you misunderstand the meaning of conspiracy.. a consipracy is an act between 2 or more people to commit an illegal act. 9/11 was a conpiracy , some people just disagree on who the conspiracy involved. If what you meant to say was " lack of the video does not prove high ranking usa government officials were involved in 9/11 and anyone who thinks it does is an idiot" then i agree with you and i dont think anyone wouldnt..



thats awfully thoughtfull of them for the hundreds of families that lost their lives and would like some closure. and the public that has alot of questions considering the people invloved " the pilot who crashed into the pentagon once worked at the pentagon specifically on how to avoid planes crashing into it :) " so regardless of what you feel or i feel , lots of people have questions , and i think they deserve and answer because thats what a democracy is about.



i haven't heard about 1 single one. When tapes of things are known to exist they always become public.. if we didnt know tapes exists we dont know they didnt exist thus we wouldnt know its standard procedure

if it was "standard procedure" why would they release the crappy grainy footage. wouldnt that be "non-standard procedure" , then years later they announce they will finally release a better copy , and they released the same crappy footage with like 2 extra frames..

so with years to think about it they again ignore "standard procedure" and release a second tape hmm. but they cant release the camera that has crystal clear footage and ANYONE with an internet connection could have viewed it if they were watching that day...

conspiracy cake.

as usual franck is all hate and venom

mmm cake

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wow you have a lot of gay pics handy today

This is insane I was at my office in Arlington when the plant hit the pentagon, I was on the 12th floor and our floor shook. One of the girls at my company's Mom died when the plane hit near her office. Anyone who thinks there was some government conspiracy was obviously not anywhere near DC.

did you see the plane?

if not...it could have been anything

This was not produced by three kids in a dorm room.

http://www.history.com/search.do?act... Conspiracies

Examines the various conspiracy theories espoused on the Internet, in articles and in public forums that attempt to explain the 9/11 attacks. It includes theories that the World Trade Center was brought down by a controlled demolition; that a missile, not a commercial airliner, hit the Pentagon; and that members of the U.S. government orchestrated the attacks in hopes of creating a war in the Middle East. Each conspiracy argument is countered by a variety of experts in the fields of engineering, intelligence and the military. The program also delves into the anatomy of such conspiracies and how they grow on the Internet.

Rating: TVPG

Running Time: 120 minutes

and yet they cant explain why the most obvious evidence ( the videos ) cant be shown.. ( the topic of this thread )

running time 1 second..

Hoooray Everyone Is An Expert

hooray you didn't read the thread..:1orglaugh he simply asked why they haven't released the video.. do you need an expert to explain to you why the tapes haven't been released ?

Yes about not releasing the tape. From both points. Being Terrorists foreign or domestic.

actually they did , twice.. so straight up your wrong. they do and have

its on right now but i think its almost over

you mean like the videos they already released that completely contradicts your theory.

because this is a democracy still ( kinda ) , and the majority of people would like to see it.
once again you obviously dont follow the news.. they already did release tapes to the public of the exact scenario you just pointed out , not once but twice.:1orglaugh so to answer your question , yes
and what security reason would that be ? any joe blow could look at several public cameras pointing directly at the pentagon. that wasn't a security problem so why would a tape of one of the most questionable terrorist acts of all time suddenly be a security risk. anyone can also just drive right by and get the same view








everyone says the same thing when they cant answer simple questions..


everyone who died doesn't matter ? what about the war we started over this ? what about the thousands of american soldiers dying in iraq ? they don't matter ?


what an ignorant statement. less people on gfy believe 9/11 was a conspiracy than the average american. so according to you that already puts us ahead of most americans..

you are right..it is an expertly done program...how nice of them to offer every single piece of thought you might need to convince yourself once and for all that this was not an inside job.


neatly packaged and all....beware the interweb...they be telling lies in there

And you can't provide an explanation for what happened to the real plane that took off from the airport that day (since it didn't fly into the Pentagon). Seriously, find those people and your conspiracy theory has legs.

Yes you are CORRECT!And bo one ever knew if those Japanese planes actually made it bach to Japan the mornig of Preal!!!

It really makes you wonder when you really look deep into things and dont just brush off this with a "Fuck that shit hahaha" attitude!:thumbsup

I don't understand why when people post things in reply to a totally legit question, they don't stop and think about the answers they give for just one second.

Everyone's reply seems to be "oh because they simply do not show attacks like to the public".

WHAT ABOUT THE 900 VIDEOS OF THE PLANES FLYING INTO WTC!!!!!!!! WHY AREN'T THOSE CONFISCATED!??

It doesn't take a genius to see how the story just doesn't add up. Forget the physics, science, math, english, whatever your subject is that you feel you need to study to understand this. It's common sense. You see 900 shots of WTC and 0 of Pentagon. They tell you the footage shot of Pentagon attack is classified and you can't see it. AND YOU BELIEVE IT???

Common sense guys....common sense.

Did you see it and genuinely came to that conclusion, or because it contradicts what you believe, it's automatically horseshit and there's no reason to even bother watching?

I haven't seen it but really want to whether it supports what I believe or not. Just like I watched Loose Change. It made me look for answers...which I was able to find to my satisfaction.

Smokey , the only video released of the pentagon crash was released as evidence in the trial of Zacharias Moussaoui.... which is why it eventually became available to the public.


if you just can't imagine why ANY nations government would not want to release videos to the general public showing a successful attack from every angle, on its biggest and most important military target, then there is simply no reasoning with you.


i think its interesting that conspiracy theorists insist that their side is "fact" and any other answer, rebuttal, eyewitness account, expert testimony etc is just BS by brainwashed idiots. you have to be pretty fucking arrogant and disturbed to think like that.

there is a show right now on The History Channel that disputes 9/11 conspiracy theories point for point... but then of course, as always... they must be part of the conspiracy. who needs simple facts when you had your mind made up BEFORE the attack that the government was out to get out.

"government was out to get out." = "government was out to get YOU."

they could not find a betamax player to view them on

wrong .. the video was released to the press before the trial and after the trial on two seperate occasions and either way thus solidifies my point.



nice try , you tried to make some lame argument that a government would never let a video of an attack be shown , then i called you on the actual attack were talking about and the fact THE GOV RELEASED the video , now your backtracking..



i think its funny you make up "experts" out of thin air.. and call any question " conpiracy theorists"

the question is simple SEE THREAD TITLE and you have yet to give an answer nor have i seen an answer as to why they only released the crudest crappiest video they could when we KNOW there were several better cameras with full shots of the crash

your only argument yet is " security reasons" yet you cant seem to name 1 single reason why they would not show it for "security reasons"

then of course you should be able to answer the simple question posed in this thread title and end the thread right ... ?

were all waiting



nice how you end it with a complete bullshit line you made up in your head. i havent said anything of the sort .. who needs simple facts when you had your mind made up that aliens controlled all baseballs and talked to you through a special communication device hidden in your cheerios ?

i personally dont believe any high ranking gov official knew 9/11 was going to take place on 9/11 , and guess what I STILL WANT TO KNOW WHY THEY HAVE NOT SHOWN THE VIDEO
and you have yet to give a satisfactory answer nor have i seen one that answers this.. so by all means let us know oh wise one :)

I was more or less asking a question. Since you and the false flag guys seem to know the answer to everything that happened on 9/11, what happened to the real plane? It was filled with a bunch of people who thought they were going somewhere. Can you tell me what happened to that plane and those people on board?

You're painting with a pretty broad brush there. Having more questions and not accepting some of the answers being given doesn't make someone a tinfoil hat wearing wacko. Its the theories *some* of the theorists come up with that are wacko

For example, I can recall from the morning of 9/11 that they were interviewing eye witnesses who said they saw Flight 93 get shot down over Somerset PA. The morning of, as in within hours of the attacks taking place. Not interviews well after the fact. People were describing how it was shot out of the sky.

Which is a better way to remember the victims? As heroes because they crashed the plane in to the ground to save other innocent lives, or as the collateral damage of a country's security measures trying to protect itself from having another building hit?

It's not a matter of *thought*. It's a matter of facts,witnesses and solid evidence.
If we have a thread about Noah's Ark or the bigbang theory,then we need *thought*.

You mention neatly packaged. The creators of Loose Change are on their 3rd edit that they will be releasing on DVD.
This question probably justifies it's own thread.


How much $$$ are the Loose Change boys making on this?

ooooooohhhh.... so its just about "the question" - the one i "refuse to answer" although i thought i gave a pretty good answer as to why they wouldn't be released... but that wasn't good enough? i didn't "answer the question"?

sorry..

well.. how's this?

DEAR FUCKING MORONS

all you have to do is look up why they weren't released. its part of the official record, its a question thats been asked time and time again. it isn't hard.... and shouldn't be hard... even for a bunch of fucking idiots that want others to believe they make money online. of course you fucking idiots make it hard because you are looking for an answer that isn't there and doesn't exist and you are not interested in the actual answer because it proves you're a complete asshole thats out of touch with reality.

why weren't the videos released?

they were all siezed by the FBI and in the custody of the Justice Dept as evidence should any further criminal charges be filed in relation to the attack ... just as the first two that were released as part of criminal procedings.

do you have to agree with that? no.
you have have to believe 100% everything you are told? no.
is that the official answer of the government? yes.

HAS YOUR QUESTION BEEN ANSWERED? yes.



i swear to fucking christ... you guys pretend you want an answer to a question and all of you fucking morons are too stupid to look it up.



and most of you fucking idiots flock around a few kids in a dorm room and other crackpots that make a living by giving you answers you want... rather than listening to actual experts that tell you how it is/was.


its exactly you type of people that end up in dangerous cults.


I wish all of you much luck in your future mass suicide.

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I wish some of you luck in the future. I'm sure its not easy being in the TOP99.9999% of the population that "gets it". I know you will find happiness as all people similar to you tend to do in a compound somewhere following the ramblings and rantings of your charismatic, pooly educated and convicted felon "guru" who will be often accused of being a pedophile, a psychotic lunatic, tax dodger and characterized as being extremely dangerous by those outsiders who just want to "bring you down" and who "don't understand" his divine authority.

you will always be comforted with the satisfaction of being right no matter what the facts are. your faith in what you want to believe will be unwaivering. you will always be satisfied that no one "gets it" outside of your group, right up until its final moments.

remember... always give the kool aid to your kids first, make sure they have totally stopped breathing before you drink the kool aid. but you're all so clever, i'm sure you wouldn't skip that important detail.

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one more remembrance for kindred souls for you guys. i'm sure you felt their pain as you watched a fellow group of lunatics,... OOPS! i mean enlighted ones, following a child rapist ... OOPS! i mean Christ on earth, do the right thing.

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I don't give a shit. That's why.

NEVER FORGET YOUR COMRADES!



http://www.cnn.com/US/9703/27/suicide/index.html

Mass suicide involved sedatives, vodka and careful planning

Coroner: 'It seemed to be a group decision'
March 27, 1997
Web posted at: 7:55 p.m. EST

DEL MAR, California (CNN) -- The 39 cult members found dead in a hilltop mansion apparently died in a carefully orchestrated suicide that involved sedatives, vodka and plastic bags possibly used to suffocate, officials said Thursday.

The victims apparently believed they were going to meet a UFO hiding behind the Hale-Bopp comet.


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I think this thread is going way off base with Waco,Heavens gate,and conspiracy theorists here!
The bottom line is where are these tapes and why havent they been released?
Pleasurepays has stated his opinion of why they were never released time in and time out ,and I think the resoning behind this is very weak!
Security reasons?
Im just not seeing your point on this at all what kind of major security breach are we talking about here?
Anyone can go to Washington and take pics or videos of the Pentagon at anytime they so choose!
You can also Google map the place and see satalite images of the whole place!
Christ you could get a blue print if you wanted of the whole place at the library 35 years ago if you wanted with enough info to know whatever kind of info you wanted on this place!
Have you ever heard of the watergate break in?
Im just not buying the Security Bullshit at all and think that if the government released these tapes for public view it would certanly clear alot of things up in all directions!
Im not saying it did or didnt happen here at all but look at this and it may shed some light on the subject for you!
First I would like to point out I am not a big fan of these guys but what I do find strange is that the size of the hole was only 30feet across and a plane crashing into any building with a wing span of 140feet across would leave a much bigger hole!
Look at the other (exact) plane crashes on the trade center buildings,and you tell me if the holes were only 30 feet across in a perfect circle!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=T_Fm3Zc7D8I

Sorry my bad the hole was only 16 feet wide and if you look at the pics the windows on either side are perfectly intact!
Geeee thats strange:Oh crap

you find every explanation "weak" thats why you are a conspiracy theorist.

you demand answers, ignore any relevant facts, cling to points that support what you have already decided to believe and argue and debate to affirm your own beliefs under the guise of "just asking"

jesus christ. at this point you guys are bringing up arguments taht have been debated into the ground for years as if the discussion is new and there have not been any explanations or there are none.

what does teh size of the hole in the pentagon have to do with anything? with your "question" - the size of the hole that was broadcast by every major news agency before it collapsed? nothing. you had to move on to a new argument, pretending they are connected to the "question" rather than deal with relevant facts and the explanation and answer to your question.

just because you find it weak doesn't mean something isn't true. its not up to the planet to prove something to YOU. if you are in doubt, its up to you to prove your case. not just ask questions, make weak/lame arguments and keep regurgitating teh same old lame theories and explanations that have been fully disputed and explained countless times as if the subject just came up yesterday.

the fact is YOU WANT to believe in a government conspiracy... everything else is just fluff that you use in a looose and sloppy manner to support the ideas you want to believe in. you are no different than any other weirdo cult member. no more rational and no more sane.

so now you choose to willfully ignore the fact that the pentagon is a heavily reinforced military building with blast resistant windows?

i can certainly understand why you would have to.

Blast resistant windows hmm ok what kind of exact pressure would a plane of that size going over 500 mph produce?

Jesus christ those are some strong fucking windows what are they made of and who makes them?

Lets look into this if you can produce evidence on the window maker and what they are made of etc I would be more apt to believe this again very weak and now your running in circles here.

Smokey, how can you be so obsessed about the Pentagon not wanting to release videos of a plane attacking the #1 military building in America (which is pretty obvious why and mentioned several times already) but a plane dissapearing if it was a missile, including its passengers is no problem for you. You dont even want to think about it. Minor detail. Also why use a missile if a plane was heading towards the Pentagon to crash it also is something you dont want to think about.

And why? Because it doesnt fit your lunatic conspiracy shit. Thats it. Thats all. If it was the other way around you would be crying about it like a madman. If it was a page from your conspiracy book then this wouldnt be a minor detail but it would proof once and for all that everything is a conspiracy.

Conspiracy idiots are such sad people.

God you are retarded. Look up your shit first because you think you can make everything up with your pea sized mind you stuppid faggot.

And please show us a pic of a 16 feet hole ripshit. You stupid fucking moron.

This thread is more embarrassing than that tart who failed basic geography. At least she looked good while being completely retarded.

they killed all the passengers...maybe even put them on one of the planes that got blown up that day..you know the one they disintegrated in the air


is that what everyone was not wanting to say?

Let us pause.

Beyond the cited imagery, why would any rational person believe it could be a missile? - Because Donald Rumsfeld let it slip out during an interview with Parade Magazine, on October 12th, 2001; catching himself in one of his famous Freudian slips. Remember his Freudian view of draftees?

Rumsfeld: "Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filled with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center."
Now look that up why would he call it a missle?

typical conspiracy theorist.

i stated a fact.

heavily re-inforced building. blast resistant windows.

you summarily dismiss that and demand that i continue to prove things... when you really have nothing to say on the issue and can't disprove it with facts and mathematics.

i'm not running in circles. like every other conspiracy clown, you have to start bringing in other arguments because your first argument got shot down. not to mention the simple fact that if you really wanted to know the answer to the question, you could have just looked it up. its a matter of official record... not some lunatics opinion.


your question was "why weren't the videos released"

the answer to the question is "those videos are in the custody of the dept of justice pending any future prosecutions for the crime, as they are evidence"

thats the answer. doesn't get any more simple than that.

another reasonable answer is taht its pretty fucking obvious to anyone that isn't retarded that a government is not going to release videos to anyone that documents a successful attack on its military nerve center. not being able to at least understand that whether you agree with it or not just proves that you have absolutely no grasp on reality.

Cool, now show us the 16 feet hole dickshit.

Ripshit..dont forget about the light poles

the plane would have smashed up lots of light poles on its way in..yet they were just lying on t heir side..none of them were bent or broken u p or anything..just lying on the ground