I wish some of you luck in the future. I'm sure its not easy being in the TOP99.9999% of the population that "gets it". I know you will find happiness as all people similar to you tend to do in a compound somewhere following the ramblings and rantings of your charismatic, pooly educated and convicted felon "guru" who will be often accused of being a pedophile, a psychotic lunatic, tax dodger and characterized as being extremely dangerous by those outsiders who just want to "bring you down" and who "don't understand" his divine authority.

you will always be comforted with the satisfaction of being right no matter what the facts are. your faith in what you want to believe will be unwaivering. you will always be satisfied that no one "gets it" outside of your group, right up until its final moments.

remember... always give the kool aid to your kids first, make sure they have totally stopped breathing before you drink the kool aid. but you're all so clever, i'm sure you wouldn't skip that important detail.

http://www.waidev2.com/php/IMAGES/HC...mage_large.jpg

one more remembrance for kindred souls for you guys. i'm sure you felt their pain as you watched a fellow group of lunatics,... OOPS! i mean enlighted ones, following a child rapist ... OOPS! i mean Christ on earth, do the right thing.

http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine...930503_400.jpg

I don't give a shit. That's why.

NEVER FORGET YOUR COMRADES!



http://www.cnn.com/US/9703/27/suicide/index.html

Mass suicide involved sedatives, vodka and careful planning

Coroner: 'It seemed to be a group decision'
March 27, 1997
Web posted at: 7:55 p.m. EST

DEL MAR, California (CNN) -- The 39 cult members found dead in a hilltop mansion apparently died in a carefully orchestrated suicide that involved sedatives, vodka and plastic bags possibly used to suffocate, officials said Thursday.

The victims apparently believed they were going to meet a UFO hiding behind the Hale-Bopp comet.


http://www.heavensgate.com/img/hbhgtd.jpg

I think this thread is going way off base with Waco,Heavens gate,and conspiracy theorists here!
The bottom line is where are these tapes and why havent they been released?
Pleasurepays has stated his opinion of why they were never released time in and time out ,and I think the resoning behind this is very weak!
Security reasons?
Im just not seeing your point on this at all what kind of major security breach are we talking about here?
Anyone can go to Washington and take pics or videos of the Pentagon at anytime they so choose!
You can also Google map the place and see satalite images of the whole place!
Christ you could get a blue print if you wanted of the whole place at the library 35 years ago if you wanted with enough info to know whatever kind of info you wanted on this place!
Have you ever heard of the watergate break in?
Im just not buying the Security Bullshit at all and think that if the government released these tapes for public view it would certanly clear alot of things up in all directions!
Im not saying it did or didnt happen here at all but look at this and it may shed some light on the subject for you!
First I would like to point out I am not a big fan of these guys but what I do find strange is that the size of the hole was only 30feet across and a plane crashing into any building with a wing span of 140feet across would leave a much bigger hole!
Look at the other (exact) plane crashes on the trade center buildings,and you tell me if the holes were only 30 feet across in a perfect circle!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=T_Fm3Zc7D8I

Sorry my bad the hole was only 16 feet wide and if you look at the pics the windows on either side are perfectly intact!
Geeee thats strange:Oh crap

you find every explanation "weak" thats why you are a conspiracy theorist.

you demand answers, ignore any relevant facts, cling to points that support what you have already decided to believe and argue and debate to affirm your own beliefs under the guise of "just asking"

jesus christ. at this point you guys are bringing up arguments taht have been debated into the ground for years as if the discussion is new and there have not been any explanations or there are none.

what does teh size of the hole in the pentagon have to do with anything? with your "question" - the size of the hole that was broadcast by every major news agency before it collapsed? nothing. you had to move on to a new argument, pretending they are connected to the "question" rather than deal with relevant facts and the explanation and answer to your question.

just because you find it weak doesn't mean something isn't true. its not up to the planet to prove something to YOU. if you are in doubt, its up to you to prove your case. not just ask questions, make weak/lame arguments and keep regurgitating teh same old lame theories and explanations that have been fully disputed and explained countless times as if the subject just came up yesterday.

the fact is YOU WANT to believe in a government conspiracy... everything else is just fluff that you use in a looose and sloppy manner to support the ideas you want to believe in. you are no different than any other weirdo cult member. no more rational and no more sane.

so now you choose to willfully ignore the fact that the pentagon is a heavily reinforced military building with blast resistant windows?

i can certainly understand why you would have to.

Blast resistant windows hmm ok what kind of exact pressure would a plane of that size going over 500 mph produce?

Jesus christ those are some strong fucking windows what are they made of and who makes them?

Lets look into this if you can produce evidence on the window maker and what they are made of etc I would be more apt to believe this again very weak and now your running in circles here.

Smokey, how can you be so obsessed about the Pentagon not wanting to release videos of a plane attacking the #1 military building in America (which is pretty obvious why and mentioned several times already) but a plane dissapearing if it was a missile, including its passengers is no problem for you. You dont even want to think about it. Minor detail. Also why use a missile if a plane was heading towards the Pentagon to crash it also is something you dont want to think about.

And why? Because it doesnt fit your lunatic conspiracy shit. Thats it. Thats all. If it was the other way around you would be crying about it like a madman. If it was a page from your conspiracy book then this wouldnt be a minor detail but it would proof once and for all that everything is a conspiracy.

Conspiracy idiots are such sad people.

God you are retarded. Look up your shit first because you think you can make everything up with your pea sized mind you stuppid faggot.

And please show us a pic of a 16 feet hole ripshit. You stupid fucking moron.

This thread is more embarrassing than that tart who failed basic geography. At least she looked good while being completely retarded.

they killed all the passengers...maybe even put them on one of the planes that got blown up that day..you know the one they disintegrated in the air


is that what everyone was not wanting to say?

Let us pause.

Beyond the cited imagery, why would any rational person believe it could be a missile? - Because Donald Rumsfeld let it slip out during an interview with Parade Magazine, on October 12th, 2001; catching himself in one of his famous Freudian slips. Remember his Freudian view of draftees?

Rumsfeld: "Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filled with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center."
Now look that up why would he call it a missle?

typical conspiracy theorist.

i stated a fact.

heavily re-inforced building. blast resistant windows.

you summarily dismiss that and demand that i continue to prove things... when you really have nothing to say on the issue and can't disprove it with facts and mathematics.

i'm not running in circles. like every other conspiracy clown, you have to start bringing in other arguments because your first argument got shot down. not to mention the simple fact that if you really wanted to know the answer to the question, you could have just looked it up. its a matter of official record... not some lunatics opinion.


your question was "why weren't the videos released"

the answer to the question is "those videos are in the custody of the dept of justice pending any future prosecutions for the crime, as they are evidence"

thats the answer. doesn't get any more simple than that.

another reasonable answer is taht its pretty fucking obvious to anyone that isn't retarded that a government is not going to release videos to anyone that documents a successful attack on its military nerve center. not being able to at least understand that whether you agree with it or not just proves that you have absolutely no grasp on reality.

Cool, now show us the 16 feet hole dickshit.

Ripshit..dont forget about the light poles

the plane would have smashed up lots of light poles on its way in..yet they were just lying on t heir side..none of them were bent or broken u p or anything..just lying on the ground

yes the one your about to blather on for 2 pages without answering..
you didn't you cited security reasons then when i asked what security reason you cant answer it.

for the third time , no you didnt answer the question. if you did you would just tell us instead of repeating over and over you havent answered the question
do you think writing in size 7 font means you dont have to answer the question.

thats a good reason to seize them , but it still doesnt answer why they cant show them to the victims or the rest of us..( remeber the thread title )

nope you blathered on for quite a while yet still didnt answer the question.


lol people that ask questions end up in dangerous cults.. ? ok then ..:1orglaugh


its funny how worked up you get when you cant answer a simple question.

franck you should go to www.thesaurus.com English does have other words besides fuck, shitstain, idiot etc

flame on...i know you probably bust a zit reading t his and need to yell at the keyboard when replying...but seriously.. learn a few more words and lose the hate

:1orglaugh

Simply because its part of an ongoing investigation....

Thats another thing that most people forget to realize on this!
Think about a plane of that size landing and from the point of supposed impact that supposed plane would have had to have been pretty close to a landing status wouldnt it?

Now How long is a run way for landing again?

Wow this guy who was flying the plane who (only learned to take off)and was not interested in landing a plane(Quote from the aviation instructor)was god damn good no wasnt he?

He avoided light poles and still managed to get the plane in almost perfect position for landing in all of what 100 feet?

So is the murder of JFK right?:1orglaugh

i'm not i asked a simple question , i find it funny its an "obsession" to want to see the video

you must have some troubles reading or comprehension or something franck , read back .. i never theorised nor do i think a missile hit the pentagon.. why do you feel the need to make shit up out of thin air..


You claimed pepsi was behind the pentagon attack and that the color blue is actually alien sperm that causes us to detroy ourselves..

sounds kinda wierd when you make shit up in reverse doesnt it.




and what is my "lunatic conpiracy shit" ? it should be easy enough for you to quote my "lunatic conspiracy shit"

If i indeed made any such claims it should be easy enough for you to back up your statement by posting my "conspiracy" by quoting it..

The truth is i never made any such claim , the only question i had was the same as the thread title implies, one that you have failed time and time again in answering ..


Lets start off with you answering the thread title , without making up fake facts , without making false claims about what people wrote, without using size 7 font , without using the word conspiracy , just answer the question..

if you cant thats ok too , you're not on trial , its just a discussion, maybe you don't have an answer..

FYI, there is a difference between security cams at a military headquarter and tv-transmissions.
Anyway, there are bunch of witnesses that have testified. And if tapes were released, it would make no difference for the conspiracy idiots... they would probably just say its fake, like they say about all other evidences...

Well Im not sure but I think the actual (HOLE) that these kids are mentioning is the exit hole!
The picture I posted was of the Impact but it still doesnt add up even though this is a major security NO NO :1orglaugh
I dug up some pics for you you decide!
Im not here to say it was or wasnt a plane or a missle and Im not a conspiracy theorist Im just one of millions of people who want to know the truth and let me point that out!
First of all your hell bent on saying it is what it is!
Without a doubt if I told you I had some oceanfront property for sale in arizona youd believe me if I showed you a pic!
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/art...ntagon3_12.gif


Here is one of the front of the building before the collapse of the roof(impact picture not exit)

http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/si...s/image004.jpg


http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/...om_windows.jpg


The top of the hole in the middle of the white box is at the same level as the top of the windows of the second floor, or about 23-25 feet from ground. The three windows above this are the windows of the third floor. The foam covered window to the top right is the fourth floor. As noted by the Pentagon report, this area (above the center hole) is where the tail should have struck, but there is no evidence of any damage that we would expect from such an impact. What?s more, the tail fin was definitely not dropped on the lawn along with the two 6 TON engines.

Conclusion? The tail fin of a Boeing 757 did not strike this area.

What does that suggest? That a Boeing 757 was not involved in the attack.

Is that logical enough?

Conspiracy theory?

No, just the most obvious and logical explanation.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh God, you dumb fuck.

Till now you told everyone its a 16 feet hole because you got that info from some conspiracy idiot movie. Now you look it up and are like damn, i was talking about the exit hole time :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Thats how you idiots operate. Amazing.

Even more funny is that your imbecile buddy Phoenix made the same mistake 1 or 2 years ago. He was yelling so hard his face turned blue that there was a tiny hole where the plane entered. Finally he posts a picture and its the same exit hole you are talking about. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh And why? Because some idiot made a movie told you that:1orglaugh

Ok, i think youve proven my point very well. That you are a true fucking retard. Thanks for the laugh :1orglaugh

Hey Frank Get some more pills for your head man its time for a time out here.

If it wasn't the plane, how do you explain the DNA and dentist records of the passengers recovered? Maybe they pulled out jaws and cut body parts on the plane AFTER they entered the plane, then placed all parts into a missile - in the air - and striked it on Pentagon - without ANYONE witness an incoming missile.... OMG, what a massacre and what a trick! :1orglaugh
And not to mention, it had to be convincing, because the two planes striking WTC was not enough to make people believe, so they also "planted" part of the plane in -and outside Pentagon and destroyed several lamp poles on the incoming route, without anyone noticing it live on all worlds news-stations :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

[QUOTE=Dirty Dane;12990905]If it wasn't the plane, how do you explain the DNA and dentist records of the passengers recovered?/QUOTE]They did find these?
I was unaware but here is a list of the people on that flight 77 in case you wanted to do some research!
Who are they were are their families now?
Why were so many of them linked to schools and national geographic and what significance does this impose?

R.I.P. Flight 77

CREW

Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He is survived by a wife, a daughter and a grandson. He had more than 20 years of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot.

David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight. "He was handsome and happy and very centered," his neighbor Travis White, told The Washington Post. "His life was the kind of life I wanted to have some day."

Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. She left behind a husband, a pilot, and a daughter and son.

Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight attendant Kenneth Lewis.

Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of flight attendant Jennifer Lewis.

Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant.


PASSENGERS

Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the surgeon general to address racial and ethnic disparities in health. A 1995 graduate of Marshall University School of Medicine, Ambrose last year was named the Luther Terry Fellow of the Association of Teachers of Preventative Medicine.

Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California.

M.J. Booth

Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc.

William Caswell

Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. Asia was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

James Debeuneure, 58, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington. He was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Eddie Dillard

Charles Droz

Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas.

Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm. He worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues. Falkenburg was traveling with his wife, Leslie Whittingham, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3.

Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education outreach program in Washington. He was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. A Mississippi native, he joined the society in 1987. "Joe Feguson's final hours at the Geographic reveal the depth of his commitment to one of the things he really loved," said John Fahey Jr., the society's president. "Joe was here at the office until late Monday evening preparing for this trip. It was his goal to make this trip perfect in every way."

Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot.

Dee Flagg

Richard Gabriel

Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm.

Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California.

Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department.

Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company.

Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society. She was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. Society President John Fahey Jr. said one of his fondest memories of Judge is a voice mail she and a colleague once left him while they were rafting the Monkey River in Belize. "This was quintessential Ann -- living life to the fullest and wanting to share it with others," he said.

Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California.

Yvonne Kennedy

Norma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager.

Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding. She joined the firm in 1993 and was part of the its telecommunications practice. She was married to Peter Batacan.

Norma Langsteuerle

Dong Lee

Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, was the associate director of clinical research for a biotech firm.

Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of Work-Life Benefits, a consultation and referral service. He was married and had two children. Newton was on his way back to Orange County to retrieve his family's yellow Labrador, who had been left behind until they could settle into their new home in Arlington, Virginia.

Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN and was married to U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson. She twice called her husband as the plane was being hijacked and described some details, including that the attackers were armed with knives. She had planned to take a different flight, but she changed it at the last minute so that she could be with her husband on his birthday. She worked as an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee in the mid-1990s and later worked on the staff of Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles.

Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer.

Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems.

Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme, a biotechnology firm. She was from Great Falls, Virginia, and was married to Stephen Push. She worked with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on developing a new policy governing cellular therapies, announced in 1997. She also worked on other major health-care legislation.

Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer.

John Sammartino

Diane Simmons

George Simmons

Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the University of California at Santa Barbara. She had just gotten the post August 31 and was making the trip to California to start work.

Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York.

Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia.

Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. The professor of public policy at Georgetown University in Washington was traveling with her husband, Charles Falkenberg, 45, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. They were traveling to Los Angeles to catch a connection to Australia. Whittington had been named a visiting fellow at Australian National University in Canberra.

John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland.

Vicki Yancey

Shuyin Yang

Yuguag Zheng

the security cams were talking about in this thread were not at the pentagon:2 cents:

some of them were publicly available feeds from the department of transportation, the exact angles of the security cameras have been shown both before and after and neither pose a security risk or they wouldn't be there. the only thing that is missing is the plane crashing into the pentagon.

Yeah, do your own research and you'll find that they recovered DNA from all the passengers. The remaining DNA was compared with DNA recovered from the hotels where the terrorists stayed, and it matched. And BTW, the original and official passengerlist was confiscated and is not public yet....

Conspiracy nuts are just that.

:eyecrazy

http://investigate911.bravehost.com/...aug-25-01p.JPG

How bout this rare photo of the pentagon taken it shows like seven hits by something!
Was it a plane?
Of course it was a plane launching several missiles!

Amazing.. Have anything to backup your sayings ( because, after all , they are just sayings at this point ).

Who were the terrorists? their names ? their nationality ? their ethnicity ?

With the dna, should be a breeze to say ....

It was all over the news, so I'm sure there must be some archived articles about it.