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The Hun 10-27-2002 09:23 AM

I think I don't have to add anything more. You just proved my point. Damn, twisting and turning to make things look true. You guys really leave a great impression here. Very trustworthy indeed. Thanks for showing everybody here the reason I got your server down in the end. You showed yourself as someone with which there's no reasoning possible.

I don't care about all details, I care about one thing: stop submitting to my site. I know your servers, I now your domain names. I'm not stupid. In your logic you probably are not submitting anymore, but you're letting other people submit your site so you can say you don't submit anymore. I know your 'logic' by now. I don't want any submissions from any of your domains submitted to me any more, no matter by whom. Problem solved.

jqw736145 10-27-2002 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet
five hundred ways to die. choose one.
crucifixion

TDF 10-27-2002 09:26 AM

I say one free HUN gallery listing for every active GFY member for "mental stress"

Incognito 10-27-2002 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Hun
Oh, there we go again. Club 17 is 18+, nowhere there are they claiming to have 15 year old girls fucked in their ass by their dads. It's pathetic, close to even funny, how you're trying to proof my 'double standards'... listen, I don't cheat on people. Simple. No double standard. I don't post ads about 15 year old girls fucked in their ass by their dads. I don't redirect people.

I understand you are jealous and all that I make money that you feel should be yours. Fine. That's the nice thing about an open market. But I don't go around scewing your customers do I? I don't go deliberately cheating you by sending you stuff and bend the rules to my liking later, do I? Like I said, I'm done talking with you. I came to the conclusion there's really no arguing with people who think they can not be wrong about something. You people are so much living in your own world that you simply don't care who you screw over for a dime, do you?

And then to think these dumbo's could be making twice as much as they do now the honest way. They're going for half an hour of being listed on my site while they could be going for a whole year of traffic... Strikes me to see people with these talents can be so dumb at the same time

1. http://www.seventeenlive.com/domenique.html
This is where one of Your links go. I dont give a flying fuck about how famous Club 17 is. I give a fuck though that on THAT link it DOESNT say that girls are over 18.
And the word LOLITA is all over there, where generally lolita means younger than 18.

2. I doubt that I envy You your money. Excuse me for that.
But You said, I guote "you simply don't care who you screw over for a dime, do you?".

That's exactly what TGPkiller is doing with You. Problem is that You're doing the same to paysite owners.

Listen Hun , I'm done talking too. You make me tired.

Dont get me wrong, I personally dont see ANYTHING wrong ,and never did , with things like Club 17 or rape fantasy.
I understand that noone was raped and I am pretty sure that Club 17 is reputable enough to be ok.

I just dont like Your double standarts which You clearly have and sypmathise TGPkiller more. Hope You can live with this.
:) :) :)

Fletch XXX 10-27-2002 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by toodamnfli
I say one free HUN gallery listing for every active GFY member for "mental stress"
or El Senior Membahs.

:wake n bake beyotch

:smokin

Dopy 10-27-2002 09:29 AM

TGPkiller


I would save this whole thread for when you grow up and become a man. Then and only then will you be able to understand just why the grown ups here find your argument so childish.

Perhaps show it to your kids in an effort to avoid them passing into an extended period adolescence like their father.

jqw736145 10-27-2002 09:31 AM

TGPKiller = dumbass

Incognito 10-27-2002 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dopy
TGPkiller


I would save this whole thread for when you grow up and become a man. Then and only then will you be able to understand just why the grown ups here find your argument so childish.

Perhaps show it to your kids in an effort to avoid them passing into an extended period adolescence like their father.

Good idea TGP killer, only after that say "thanks" to Dopy, fire Dopy and get a new janitor.

grumpy 10-27-2002 09:37 AM

Incognito.....get som rest in Russia
You dont understand and you never will.
Your prob.

Dopy 10-27-2002 09:37 AM

Both of you, jump into your 1.5 Deluxe turbo injection Lada's take a relaxing drive in the countryside and think about what I said carefully. You might even return with your balls dropped and a whole new man.

Fletch XXX 10-27-2002 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dopy
Both of you, jump into your 1.5 Deluxe turbo injection Lada's take a relaxing drive in the countryside and think about what I said carefully. You might even return with your balls dropped and a whole new man.
Are you implying a man with one nut is less a man than he with two?

:winkwink:

dantheman 10-27-2002 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX



:wake n bake beyotch

:smokin


think I will :smokin

DaLord 10-27-2002 09:44 AM

You people should make money instead of going through this over and over again.

(hehe yea right...)

Dopy 10-27-2002 09:46 AM

Have you only got one Fletch , I wondered why you spoke in such a squeaky tone LOL

quiet 10-27-2002 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DaLord
You people should make money instead of going through this over and over again.

(hehe yea right...)

with my mind on my money, and my money on my mind.

Dopy 10-27-2002 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DaLord
You people should make money instead of going through this over and over again.

(hehe yea right...)


I have just finished my shift at BK thank you very much.

Fletch XXX 10-27-2002 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dopy
Have you only got one Fletch , I wondered why you spoke in such a squeaky tone LOL
Nope, but speaking up for those that do!

heheh

:winkwink:

TGPKiller 10-27-2002 09:50 AM

Good idea in the last post... Let's go make money. :)

I think everything is said already. Hun got the prize "the most loved hacker which turned GFY down", I got the title "the guy who redirects everything", Incognito got the title "whatever you say you are russian, go to your lada".

Good luck to everyone, except motherfuckers :) they can GFY

Special good luck to TGP owners.. you know why...

:D

Best Regards, your big fan from Russia.

quiet 10-27-2002 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TGPKiller
Good idea in the last post... Let's go make money. :)

I think everything is said already. Hun got the prize "the most loved hacker which turned GFY down", I got the title "the guy who redirects everything", Incognito got the title "whatever you say you are russian, go to your lada".

Good luck to everyone, except motherfuckers :) they can GFY

Special good luck to TGP owners.. you know why...

:D

Best Regards, your big fan from Russia.

you have a very good grasp of written english for a Russian.

Akronica 10-27-2002 09:52 AM

Please send traffic to my homepage: http://www.microsoft.com

jqw736145 10-27-2002 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TGPKiller
Best Regards, your big fag from Russia.
you said it

DaLord 10-27-2002 10:09 AM

Sometimes I catch myself thinking: "Russians are cheaters..."

But then again... there are cheaters in all countries.
The majority of them just seems to be in Russia to be honest.

Howcome I don't have balls to design sites for Russians? There has to be a reason why people deny them access to just about anything on the net.

DrGuile 10-27-2002 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TGPKiller
Good idea in the last post... Let's go make money. :)

I think everything is said already. Hun got the prize "the most loved hacker which turned GFY down", I got the title "the guy who redirects everything", Incognito got the title "whatever you say you are russian, go to your lada".

Good luck to everyone, except motherfuckers :) they can GFY

Special good luck to TGP owners.. you know why...

:D

Best Regards, your big fan from Russia.

hey, Im not sure if this was brought up or not, but have you ever thought of making money honestly? Without fucking with the people that are helping you make it?


just a thought...

SleazyDream 10-27-2002 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet


you have a very good grasp of written english for a Russian.

this is a VERY good point - someone should look into this a little further. He speaks like an american......... (no offense to americans intended)

Seb From Holland 10-27-2002 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Hun
I think I don't have to add anything more. You just proved my point. Damn, twisting and turning to make things look true. You guys really leave a great impression here. Very trustworthy indeed. Thanks for showing everybody here the reason I got your server down in the end. You showed yourself as someone with which there's no reasoning possible.

I don't care about all details, I care about one thing: stop submitting to my site. I know your servers, I now your domain names. I'm not stupid. In your logic you probably are not submitting anymore, but you're letting other people submit your site so you can say you don't submit anymore. I know your 'logic' by now. I don't want any submissions from any of your domains submitted to me any more, no matter by whom. Problem solved.

Hun, don't get all stressed out over some jealous kiddo's. There are lots of people who do know you and know you would never intentionally fuck up somebodies computer for nothing.

I'm with you on this one. There will probably be posts now about me being an asskisser. Fuck you all, I'm nobodies bitch. I know the truth about this man's honesty.

Seb.

jqw736145 10-27-2002 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream


this is a VERY good point - someone should look into this a little further. He speaks like an american......... (no offense to americans intended)

too polite to be american

:winkwink:

Seb From Holland 10-27-2002 12:47 PM

What an ignorant guy YOU are...

Quote:

Originally posted by Incognito

And the word LOLITA is all over there, where generally lolita means younger than 18.

NO It doesn't MEAN anything. The explanation of the dictionary states this word means "A seductive adolescent girl." Nothing about her age here.

Listen Hun , I'm done talking too. You make me tired.

Then stop posting your ignorant replies.

I understand that noone was raped and I am pretty sure that Club 17 is reputable enough to be ok.

You understand ofcoure this Website is part of Club Seventeen and Payserve. AND that the Dutch laws since october state that everything under 18 is illegal so no underaged kid will be found there.

I just dont like Your double standarts.

He has none.


49thParallel 10-27-2002 12:55 PM

TGPKIller...at some point the hole you have dug for yourself will get to such a depth that you won't be able to crawl out.

Yesterday, I pointed out to you that it was YOUR out.php script that was redirecting to GFY. Lensman confirmed this.

Your links on your main domain go to such beauties as:

BRUTALLY TORTURED Girls
ALL Anime forced sex
VIOLENCE of Girls
EXTREME TORTURES. DRAWN BABES

Uh uhh, no implied rape here....

You have been caught red handed with your hand in the cookie jar...at least muster up the intelligence to realize that you have been caught.

Is this an endorcement of The Hun...not in a long shot....Young Teens and Beastiality ads brings the both of you to within a hair of winning the race for the "slime" lord of the adult industry.

Incognito 10-27-2002 02:07 PM

49th Parallel, what planet are You from?

Incognito 10-27-2002 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Seb From Holland
What an ignorant guy YOU are...


Another unbeleivable fucking idiot.

Where the fuck did You jump from?

You said , lolita by dictionary is - "A seductive adolescent girl."
Great. Now go and look up "adolescent" by dictionary.

Dictionary.com shows up the following among many choices:
adolescent

adj 1: relating to or peculiar to or suggestive of an adolescent; "adolescent problems" 2: being of the age 13 through 19; "teenage mothers"; "the teen years" [syn: teen, teenage, teenaged] 3: displaying or suggesting a lack of maturity; "adolescent insecurity"; "jejune responses to our problems"; "their behavior was juvenile"; "puerile jokes" [syn: jejune, juvenile, puerile] 4: in the state of development between puberty and maturity; "adolescent boys and girls" n : a juvenile between the onset of puberty and maturity [syn: stripling, teenager]

I hope You do notice 13-19 as an age specification.

49thParallel 10-27-2002 02:28 PM

Incognito...pick a side for god's sake. First you tear into me because I am putting down the Hun and TGPKiller for their promoting of rape and/or underage sex. Then you put down the Hun for defending his posting of adolescent sex. You can sit on the fence, but you can't occupy both sides...

Fletch XXX 10-27-2002 02:31 PM

w3rd

:smokin

Serge_Oprano 10-27-2002 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Due
Use htaccess to setup a password for traffic comming from thehun.net.
Redirect 401 to a password protected area. And redirect that to a password protected area. etc etc.
Then visiting thehun would be very annoying since it will keep asking for a password all the time and mayby thehun will figure out some other way to deal with cheaters or whatever it is.

bullshit, employ chechens on him!
;-)))

WallaceW 10-27-2002 04:10 PM

I have a solution for TGPs dealing with cheaters. Btw, I have 2 solutions, so please choose the proper one:

1. Instead of doing robot and live checking all the galleries all the day, why don't you make a script that checks a page 'live' when somebody click on the link on your site?

So, when you approve some submition, you make a copy of it, or just a CRC check of the html. Then when somebody click on some link, script checks CRC code of the target html page 'live' - if it's identical then you send your user to that site, if it's not then just inform your user that this page doesn't exist anymore and delete that link form your site. And your script shoud use a rotated list of Anonymous proxies, so every time somebody click on link, diferent proxy checks the CRC of that site...

2. I am not familiar with IMG SRCing stuff, so can somebody explain it to me if I am wrong... But, what I can think off it's that this thing also hurts bandwidth of someone that is sending it... right? (The Hun in this case) If so, then instead of sending so much traffic that hurts you too, why don't you make a copy of every gallery you approve and host it on your servers, so anybody can't change it? :)

---

Ok, that 2nd solution is a joke :) but I really think that 1st one could be done.

And I am not defending anybody's point in this post (case). I agree and/or disagree with anyone that send any comment here :) But most of post was just bitching about something and very little was constructive about some solutions of this problem... So that's my 2 cents....

P.S. If anybody like the solution no. 1 and make this script, they should contact me about my copyrights for the idea :)

Easy 10-28-2002 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WallaceW
So, when you approve some submition, you make a copy of it, or just a CRC check of the html. Then when somebody click on some link, script checks CRC code of the target html page 'live' - if it's identical then you send your user to that site, if it's not then just inform your user that this page doesn't exist anymore and delete that link form your site.
not really a good idea... a link checker uses a lot of resources and it checks only a few galleries at a time. Now imagine this 'live' checking on a bigger site. Hundreds of clicks in one second... hundreds of additional processes. You'd need a lot of computers to handle the necessary CPU usage. And every check of a gallery implies that the requested gallery needs to be opened by the script, checked and then the surfer can load it. Means he probably has to wait a few seconds (I guess 5-10) before the script sends him to the URL (only if there's enough CPU power). Surfers get bored and leave your site.

Incognito 10-28-2002 01:53 AM

Wallace, You're a genious. Seriously.

Really, put galleries on YOUR server Hun, and viola. No redirection is possible aint it right? What can be easier? Made a gallery, upload it to FTP , all automatical and that's it.

:)

But You wont do it cause it costs money right? Well...Your TGP also costs money for paysite owners all over the world.
Tough luck I guess.

edmo 10-28-2002 02:24 AM

don't hate the players, hate the game.

Incognito 10-28-2002 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 49thParallel
Incognito...pick a side for god's sake. First you tear into me because I am putting down the Hun and TGPKiller for their promoting of rape and/or underage sex. Then you put down the Hun for defending his posting of adolescent sex. You can sit on the fence, but you can't occupy both sides...
Look, my point was very simple.
Hun has enough of what's called "questionable content" himself on his TGP so why does it matter where TGP killer redirects traffic to?

If TGP killer was forwarding the traffic to real child porn or lolita sites I would have understand Hun and stay away of this discussion. Otherwise it's pretty stupid, You cant really say that sites Hun advertises himself are less questionable than what TGP killer advertises. Just the same so called "questionable" stuff.

So why did Hun even mention where that traffic went?

Because he makes it look like a bad bad bad russian cheater rape shit guy vs. good great and morale Hun guy situation which is not true and is what I call double standarts.

And he has to do it, because if You will think for just one second that there's no real difference between them in the way they work when it comes to what they promote - then one of them, namely Hun, has gone to dirty tricks, namely IMG sourcing, which in the end has put this very board for the second or third time down. As someone said "brilliant idea" which I do NOT support, I just comment the situation.

Guys like You who run around without trying to understand the real situation and send me or TGP killer here insults, 49th parallel, I beg You to excuse me, if I am wrong, are probably newbies or average webmasters who simply to be true dont see the whole picture. I dont even feel insulted, because I dont get insulted when I get insults from people who are in a bend over position without even realising it.

Let me tell You this. When I started 3 or 4 years ago I read some of Huns posts on forums and read what he says on his own site and my view about him was TOTALLY the same as Yours : "Wow! What a great guy!" Untill I started to notice on boards and got various webmasters notes passed to me through my work , that the guy is not really honest so to say. What he says is not exactly what he always does. Just like this situation today.

And then I understood also that there's nothing strange that among big players or middle players quite a lot of people dislike TGPs, without saying it on public of course because since most of traffic is on TGPs now it's a bad idea to have a conflict with them.
But they do dislike them because TGPs really hurted this biz a great deal.

Look, You cant offer something for free which is being sold in real world. Know why? Because in every biz there's a cost of what You sell. If You sell rocks for example or cars or whatever, You got to pay something for them Yourself dont You? Buy them or create them but spend money on it nevertheless.


Well TGP's have used the lack of law in the internet to bypass this simple biz. law. Because they dont buy content. They dont pay even for bandwidth.

If the normal law in the internet WAS working then most of TGP's wont work because at least 50% of what's posted there is either stolen or not licensed good enough to be posted on TGPs.
I hope You do follow me.

What this leads to is that it's profitable enough to mantain the TGP as long as the only money You invest is mantainance money.

IT DOESNT MATTER THAT THE AMOUNT OF CONTENT USED ON A TGP MAKES THE TGP OWNER 100 TIMES LESS THAN THE SAME AMOUNT USUALLY MAKES THE PAYSITE OWNER BECAUSE TGP DOESNT PAY FOR CONTENT.

That's what REALLY is fucking someone for a dime as Hun called it.

Because if someone gets for FREE what they payed for they wont pay for it any longer of course and people who pay for creating the content have to pay less to mantain their profitability , in the long run it hurts whole of the industry. It hurts You too , 49th Parallel, think of that when one of You sponsors fucks You because he wants to earn as much money as he did years ago or when a content producer asks MORE money for a single shitty set just because he has too to mantain his business profitable becaue no one is buying content that good as it was before.

However it is not important if You do understand this or not, even if the whole net will understand this - nothing will change. Why? Because this is the nature of people. Public opinion doesnt really change much. Revolutions luckily dont happen just because people understand that something is wrong. TGPs occupied their place long time ago and noone is able to change it.

Unless...

Why doesnt it happen so in the real life? Why if wolves eat rabbits in the forest rabbits still exist? Because rabbits fuck too fast. :) And because wolves also have their natural enemies.

Why if SPAM is such a good way to sell porn everyone is not doing it, like they were doint it for example 5 or how many years ago? Because there are antispam organizations now. Internet just as any society or nature has means of automatical self controlling
from extreme situations. For example spam is obviously too extreme therefore it gets controlled.

TGPs are too extreme, they fuck people for a dime. But there's a natural biz. law being broken and that cant go forever simply because the world works different.

This newly TPGy cheaters may be are just means of net evolution and are just natural enemies of TGPs. Because to fight with them effectively You really either have to host Your galleries yourself and pay for bandwidth or to mantain offices of live checking people with salaries.

Just the same as it was with spam. You could do it sometime, but You couldnt hope to do it forever. Even huge cigarette companies get fucked You know.

By the way, do You think they get fucked because people understand that it's bad to smoke? I doubt it. They probably like anything else out there have their natural enemies and that's it.

That's how I see it.

So I DONT support TGP killer in what's he's doing. I just think that it's natural and I think that I dislike people with double standarts.

You see 49th Parallel, if You say that Hun and TGP killer are BOTH wrong to work with bestiality, rape fantasies, anything which SUGGESTS that something is younger than 18 than , even though I dont think so myself and dont find those materials objectionable, well suggested younger than 18 is a definite no-no for me though, but rape fantasy - I like it :) , so if You think that BOTH of them are wrong in Your opinion - I cant say that You're doing something wrong.

It's Your position against some types of content and I respect it just as much as I respect any straight forward point of view.

I hope You had a few minutes to read it and to understand what I mean.

Pornwolf 10-28-2002 04:25 AM

I stopped reading this after page 6. 2 days later I come back and pick up at page 11 only to find more russians arguing. A stupid and redundant childporn/rape/bestiality argument and to top all of this off, Persian Kitty reciting lines from the Ketchup Song and Eminems latest while getting hit on by a freaky greek dude!!!

This has to be the most bizarre thread ever. You deserve the dvd for this Lens.

Firehorse 10-28-2002 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by edmo
don't hate the players, hate the game.
a bit like:

hate the sin,
love the sinner!

Easy 10-28-2002 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Incognito


Look, my point was very simple.
Hun has enough of what's called "questionable content" himself on his TGP so why does it matter where TGP killer redirects traffic to?

If TGP killer was forwarding the traffic to real child porn or lolita sites I would have understand Hun and stay away of this discussion. Otherwise it's pretty stupid, You cant really say that sites Hun advertises himself are less questionable than what TGP killer advertises. Just the same so called "questionable" stuff.

So why did Hun even mention where that traffic went?

Because he makes it look like a bad bad bad russian cheater rape shit guy vs. good great and morale Hun guy situation which is not true and is what I call double standarts.

And he has to do it, because if You will think for just one second that there's no real difference between them in the way they work when it comes to what they promote - then one of them, namely Hun, has gone to dirty tricks, namely IMG sourcing, which in the end has put this very board for the second or third time down. As someone said "brilliant idea" which I do NOT support, I just comment the situation.

Guys like You who run around without trying to understand the real situation and send me or TGP killer here insults, 49th parallel, I beg You to excuse me, if I am wrong, are probably newbies or average webmasters who simply to be true dont see the whole picture. I dont even feel insulted, because I dont get insulted when I get insults from people who are in a bend over position without even realising it.

Let me tell You this. When I started 3 or 4 years ago I read some of Huns posts on forums and read what he says on his own site and my view about him was TOTALLY the same as Yours : "Wow! What a great guy!" Untill I started to notice on boards and got various webmasters notes passed to me through my work , that the guy is not really honest so to say. What he says is not exactly what he always does. Just like this situation today.

And then I understood also that there's nothing strange that among big players or middle players quite a lot of people dislike TGPs, without saying it on public of course because since most of traffic is on TGPs now it's a bad idea to have a conflict with them.
But they do dislike them because TGPs really hurted this biz a great deal.

Look, You cant offer something for free which is being sold in real world. Know why? Because in every biz there's a cost of what You sell. If You sell rocks for example or cars or whatever, You got to pay something for them Yourself dont You? Buy them or create them but spend money on it nevertheless.


Well TGP's have used the lack of law in the internet to bypass this simple biz. law. Because they dont buy content. They dont pay even for bandwidth.

If the normal law in the internet WAS working then most of TGP's wont work because at least 50% of what's posted there is either stolen or not licensed good enough to be posted on TGPs.
I hope You do follow me.

What this leads to is that it's profitable enough to mantain the TGP as long as the only money You invest is mantainance money.

IT DOESNT MATTER THAT THE AMOUNT OF CONTENT USED ON A TGP MAKES THE TGP OWNER 100 TIMES LESS THAN THE SAME AMOUNT USUALLY MAKES THE PAYSITE OWNER BECAUSE TGP DOESNT PAY FOR CONTENT.

That's what REALLY is fucking someone for a dime as Hun called it.

Because if someone gets for FREE what they payed for they wont pay for it any longer of course and people who pay for creating the content have to pay less to mantain their profitability , in the long run it hurts whole of the industry. It hurts You too , 49th Parallel, think of that when one of You sponsors fucks You because he wants to earn as much money as he did years ago or when a content producer asks MORE money for a single shitty set just because he has too to mantain his business profitable becaue no one is buying content that good as it was before.

However it is not important if You do understand this or not, even if the whole net will understand this - nothing will change. Why? Because this is the nature of people. Public opinion doesnt really change much. Revolutions luckily dont happen just because people understand that something is wrong. TGPs occupied their place long time ago and noone is able to change it.

Unless...

Why doesnt it happen so in the real life? Why if wolves eat rabbits in the forest rabbits still exist? Because rabbits fuck too fast. :) And because wolves also have their natural enemies.

Why if SPAM is such a good way to sell porn everyone is not doing it, like they were doint it for example 5 or how many years ago? Because there are antispam organizations now. Internet just as any society or nature has means of automatical self controlling
from extreme situations. For example spam is obviously too extreme therefore it gets controlled.

TGPs are too extreme, they fuck people for a dime. But there's a natural biz. law being broken and that cant go forever simply because the world works different.

This newly TPGy cheaters may be are just means of net evolution and are just natural enemies of TGPs. Because to fight with them effectively You really either have to host Your galleries yourself and pay for bandwidth or to mantain offices of live checking people with salaries.

Just the same as it was with spam. You could do it sometime, but You couldnt hope to do it forever. Even huge cigarette companies get fucked You know.

By the way, do You think they get fucked because people understand that it's bad to smoke? I doubt it. They probably like anything else out there have their natural enemies and that's it.

That's how I see it.

So I DONT support TGP killer in what's he's doing. I just think that it's natural and I think that I dislike people with double standarts.

You see 49th Parallel, if You say that Hun and TGP killer are BOTH wrong to work with bestiality, rape fantasies, anything which SUGGESTS that something is younger than 18 than , even though I dont think so myself and dont find those materials objectionable, well suggested younger than 18 is a definite no-no for me though, but rape fantasy - I like it :) , so if You think that BOTH of them are wrong in Your opinion - I cant say that You're doing something wrong.

It's Your position against some types of content and I respect it just as much as I respect any straight forward point of view.

I hope You had a few minutes to read it and to understand what I mean.


I'm to lazy to read that. Can you say it again in one sentence (10 words max.)??

jqw736145 10-28-2002 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Incognito


Look, my point was very simple.
Hun has enough of what's called "questionable content" himself on his TGP so why does it matter where TGP killer redirects traffic to?

If TGP killer was forwarding the traffic to real child porn or lolita sites I would have understand Hun and stay away of this discussion. Otherwise it's pretty stupid, You cant really say that sites Hun advertises himself are less questionable than what TGP killer advertises. Just the same so called "questionable" stuff.

So why did Hun even mention where that traffic went?

Because he makes it look like a bad bad bad russian cheater rape shit guy vs. good great and morale Hun guy situation which is not true and is what I call double standarts.

And he has to do it, because if You will think for just one second that there's no real difference between them in the way they work when it comes to what they promote - then one of them, namely Hun, has gone to dirty tricks, namely IMG sourcing, which in the end has put this very board for the second or third time down. As someone said "brilliant idea" which I do NOT support, I just comment the situation.

Guys like You who run around without trying to understand the real situation and send me or TGP killer here insults, 49th parallel, I beg You to excuse me, if I am wrong, are probably newbies or average webmasters who simply to be true dont see the whole picture. I dont even feel insulted, because I dont get insulted when I get insults from people who are in a bend over position without even realising it.

Let me tell You this. When I started 3 or 4 years ago I read some of Huns posts on forums and read what he says on his own site and my view about him was TOTALLY the same as Yours : "Wow! What a great guy!" Untill I started to notice on boards and got various webmasters notes passed to me through my work , that the guy is not really honest so to say. What he says is not exactly what he always does. Just like this situation today.

And then I understood also that there's nothing strange that among big players or middle players quite a lot of people dislike TGPs, without saying it on public of course because since most of traffic is on TGPs now it's a bad idea to have a conflict with them.
But they do dislike them because TGPs really hurted this biz a great deal.

Look, You cant offer something for free which is being sold in real world. Know why? Because in every biz there's a cost of what You sell. If You sell rocks for example or cars or whatever, You got to pay something for them Yourself dont You? Buy them or create them but spend money on it nevertheless.


Well TGP's have used the lack of law in the internet to bypass this simple biz. law. Because they dont buy content. They dont pay even for bandwidth.

If the normal law in the internet WAS working then most of TGP's wont work because at least 50% of what's posted there is either stolen or not licensed good enough to be posted on TGPs.
I hope You do follow me.

What this leads to is that it's profitable enough to mantain the TGP as long as the only money You invest is mantainance money.

IT DOESNT MATTER THAT THE AMOUNT OF CONTENT USED ON A TGP MAKES THE TGP OWNER 100 TIMES LESS THAN THE SAME AMOUNT USUALLY MAKES THE PAYSITE OWNER BECAUSE TGP DOESNT PAY FOR CONTENT.

That's what REALLY is fucking someone for a dime as Hun called it.

Because if someone gets for FREE what they payed for they wont pay for it any longer of course and people who pay for creating the content have to pay less to mantain their profitability , in the long run it hurts whole of the industry. It hurts You too , 49th Parallel, think of that when one of You sponsors fucks You because he wants to earn as much money as he did years ago or when a content producer asks MORE money for a single shitty set just because he has too to mantain his business profitable becaue no one is buying content that good as it was before.

However it is not important if You do understand this or not, even if the whole net will understand this - nothing will change. Why? Because this is the nature of people. Public opinion doesnt really change much. Revolutions luckily dont happen just because people understand that something is wrong. TGPs occupied their place long time ago and noone is able to change it.

Unless...

Why doesnt it happen so in the real life? Why if wolves eat rabbits in the forest rabbits still exist? Because rabbits fuck too fast. :) And because wolves also have their natural enemies.

Why if SPAM is such a good way to sell porn everyone is not doing it, like they were doint it for example 5 or how many years ago? Because there are antispam organizations now. Internet just as any society or nature has means of automatical self controlling
from extreme situations. For example spam is obviously too extreme therefore it gets controlled.

TGPs are too extreme, they fuck people for a dime. But there's a natural biz. law being broken and that cant go forever simply because the world works different.

This newly TPGy cheaters may be are just means of net evolution and are just natural enemies of TGPs. Because to fight with them effectively You really either have to host Your galleries yourself and pay for bandwidth or to mantain offices of live checking people with salaries.

Just the same as it was with spam. You could do it sometime, but You couldnt hope to do it forever. Even huge cigarette companies get fucked You know.

By the way, do You think they get fucked because people understand that it's bad to smoke? I doubt it. They probably like anything else out there have their natural enemies and that's it.

That's how I see it.

So I DONT support TGP killer in what's he's doing. I just think that it's natural and I think that I dislike people with double standarts.

You see 49th Parallel, if You say that Hun and TGP killer are BOTH wrong to work with bestiality, rape fantasies, anything which SUGGESTS that something is younger than 18 than , even though I dont think so myself and dont find those materials objectionable, well suggested younger than 18 is a definite no-no for me though, but rape fantasy - I like it :) , so if You think that BOTH of them are wrong in Your opinion - I cant say that You're doing something wrong.

It's Your position against some types of content and I respect it just as much as I respect any straight forward point of view.

I hope You had a few minutes to read it and to understand what I mean.


why don't you go earn some money, instead of typing out your life story :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

SR 10-28-2002 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Incognito


Look, my point was very simple.
Hun has enough of what's called "questionable content" himself on his TGP so why does it matter where TGP killer redirects traffic to?

If TGP killer was forwarding the traffic to real child porn or lolita sites I would have understand Hun and stay away of this discussion. Otherwise it's pretty stupid, You cant really say that sites Hun advertises himself are less questionable than what TGP killer advertises. Just the same so called "questionable" stuff.

So why did Hun even mention where that traffic went?

Because he makes it look like a bad bad bad russian cheater rape shit guy vs. good great and morale Hun guy situation which is not true and is what I call double standarts.

And he has to do it, because if You will think for just one second that there's no real difference between them in the way they work when it comes to what they promote - then one of them, namely Hun, has gone to dirty tricks, namely IMG sourcing, which in the end has put this very board for the second or third time down. As someone said "brilliant idea" which I do NOT support, I just comment the situation.

Guys like You who run around without trying to understand the real situation and send me or TGP killer here insults, 49th parallel, I beg You to excuse me, if I am wrong, are probably newbies or average webmasters who simply to be true dont see the whole picture. I dont even feel insulted, because I dont get insulted when I get insults from people who are in a bend over position without even realising it.

Let me tell You this. When I started 3 or 4 years ago I read some of Huns posts on forums and read what he says on his own site and my view about him was TOTALLY the same as Yours : "Wow! What a great guy!" Untill I started to notice on boards and got various webmasters notes passed to me through my work , that the guy is not really honest so to say. What he says is not exactly what he always does. Just like this situation today.

And then I understood also that there's nothing strange that among big players or middle players quite a lot of people dislike TGPs, without saying it on public of course because since most of traffic is on TGPs now it's a bad idea to have a conflict with them.
But they do dislike them because TGPs really hurted this biz a great deal.

Look, You cant offer something for free which is being sold in real world. Know why? Because in every biz there's a cost of what You sell. If You sell rocks for example or cars or whatever, You got to pay something for them Yourself dont You? Buy them or create them but spend money on it nevertheless.


Well TGP's have used the lack of law in the internet to bypass this simple biz. law. Because they dont buy content. They dont pay even for bandwidth.

If the normal law in the internet WAS working then most of TGP's wont work because at least 50% of what's posted there is either stolen or not licensed good enough to be posted on TGPs.
I hope You do follow me.

What this leads to is that it's profitable enough to mantain the TGP as long as the only money You invest is mantainance money.

IT DOESNT MATTER THAT THE AMOUNT OF CONTENT USED ON A TGP MAKES THE TGP OWNER 100 TIMES LESS THAN THE SAME AMOUNT USUALLY MAKES THE PAYSITE OWNER BECAUSE TGP DOESNT PAY FOR CONTENT.

That's what REALLY is fucking someone for a dime as Hun called it.

Because if someone gets for FREE what they payed for they wont pay for it any longer of course and people who pay for creating the content have to pay less to mantain their profitability , in the long run it hurts whole of the industry. It hurts You too , 49th Parallel, think of that when one of You sponsors fucks You because he wants to earn as much money as he did years ago or when a content producer asks MORE money for a single shitty set just because he has too to mantain his business profitable becaue no one is buying content that good as it was before.

However it is not important if You do understand this or not, even if the whole net will understand this - nothing will change. Why? Because this is the nature of people. Public opinion doesnt really change much. Revolutions luckily dont happen just because people understand that something is wrong. TGPs occupied their place long time ago and noone is able to change it.

Unless...

Why doesnt it happen so in the real life? Why if wolves eat rabbits in the forest rabbits still exist? Because rabbits fuck too fast. :) And because wolves also have their natural enemies.

Why if SPAM is such a good way to sell porn everyone is not doing it, like they were doint it for example 5 or how many years ago? Because there are antispam organizations now. Internet just as any society or nature has means of automatical self controlling
from extreme situations. For example spam is obviously too extreme therefore it gets controlled.

TGPs are too extreme, they fuck people for a dime. But there's a natural biz. law being broken and that cant go forever simply because the world works different.

This newly TPGy cheaters may be are just means of net evolution and are just natural enemies of TGPs. Because to fight with them effectively You really either have to host Your galleries yourself and pay for bandwidth or to mantain offices of live checking people with salaries.

Just the same as it was with spam. You could do it sometime, but You couldnt hope to do it forever. Even huge cigarette companies get fucked You know.

By the way, do You think they get fucked because people understand that it's bad to smoke? I doubt it. They probably like anything else out there have their natural enemies and that's it.

That's how I see it.

So I DONT support TGP killer in what's he's doing. I just think that it's natural and I think that I dislike people with double standarts.

You see 49th Parallel, if You say that Hun and TGP killer are BOTH wrong to work with bestiality, rape fantasies, anything which SUGGESTS that something is younger than 18 than , even though I dont think so myself and dont find those materials objectionable, well suggested younger than 18 is a definite no-no for me though, but rape fantasy - I like it :) , so if You think that BOTH of them are wrong in Your opinion - I cant say that You're doing something wrong.

It's Your position against some types of content and I respect it just as much as I respect any straight forward point of view.

I hope You had a few minutes to read it and to understand what I mean.

I didn't read your whole post.
Just the first line shows that you have no clue at all.
People like you give Russians an even worse name then they already have.

Incognito 10-28-2002 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Easy



I'm to lazy to read that. Can you say it again in one sentence (10 words max.)??

of course: fuck you.
:)

Incognito 10-28-2002 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SR


I didn't read your whole post.
Just the first line shows that you have no clue at all.
People like you give Russians an even worse name then they already have.

Oh damn it. Listen , get Yourself some reputation first - than teach others.
Cant beleive it. Another fucking designer. You're not even a fucking webmaster and here we are - already teaching.

jqw736145 10-28-2002 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Incognito


of course: fuck you.
:)

russian humor

hysterical :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Incognito 10-28-2002 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jqw736145


russian humor

hysterical :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Heh, :) when You're good You're good...
What can I do?

SR 10-28-2002 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Incognito


Oh damn it. Listen , get Yourself some reputation first - than teach others.
Cant beleive it. Another fucking designer. You're not even a fucking webmaster and here we are - already teaching.

Boy designing is more of a hobby and not my mainbusiness.
What's your job?
Trying to help a Komrad who has his head in his ass and making a fool of yourself?

Niko 10-28-2002 01:39 PM

Masturbation is your business and business is good, isnt't it, SR?

Scully0325 10-28-2002 03:03 PM

:)


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