Given you've got access to the promo material and you couldn't find anything you liked, how do you think "decent" promo material was going to be provided for you? It wasn't going to be conjured up out of thin air. Someone was going to have to specially make you something. Or start changing the whole way they do things. I'm not saying thats a good or a bad thing, but if you want special treatment that other webmasters aren't getting it's usually best not to insult the person you're asking a favour of even if you think it's in their best interests too.

Yep. But have a bit of a think about the way to go about doing that. Normal people, or at least someone trying to get what they want, would say something along the lines of:
"Heya, great program you've got here, i'm going to try and push your stuff as it's fantastic, just noticed a couple of bugs though - some of your thumbnails aren't matching and some of the content sets aren't formatted properly as evidenced *here* and *here*. I know it's a big operation and these things happen while you're trying to help provide us with the tools we need, but I thought i'd better let you know there were a few mistakes that are getting released into the wild you might want to tighten up or try to fix if you have time - just trying to help! A sign up here and there adds up! Also wondering if you had any higher quality screen caps or thumbs laying around? possible access to the member's area maybe if you'd prefer I try and arrange that myself? - cheers!"

Now the program owner has a chance to reply nicely or to pass on this information to the guys doing the promo material and try and get it fixed because you've conducted yourself in a positive and professional manner and if you've got some history with the program, or the program is big enough to do it for anyone that asks, they might do something extra for you like access to extra content or make special promo material for you.

I don't know a program in the world that's going to respond very positively to "Hey I was looking through the junk you call promo material - ie your life's work which i'm taking a big dump on - and really it's shit.. you don't know me, i've never made a sale to you program or done anything with you in the past but.. y'know.. start encoding all your shit at xyz and abc if you want me to push you"

Most programs will still respond professionally, but it's ironic you're talking about him looking bad and not getting results when you've achieved the exact same scenario yourself.

While you're telling him how to run his site he's looking at his daily stats showing wads of cash raining in. Regardless of whether he's right or wrong, he's spending a large amount of time and effort creating the promo material, he's looking at the cash raining in and then he's looking at your msg telling him what he's doing is junk and he'd make money doing it this way. Most people aren't going to respond to that whether what you're saying is valid or not. What he's doing is obviously working. It's not like his program is floundering and you've found the splinter in the tiger's paw that is going to make it all right again and turn the ship around for him.

He obviously doesn't think he looks bad. He's got affiliates bringing money in, he's cracking it in that niche and just because technology is progressing and some sponsors are offering higher res and longer videos doesn't change the fact that what he's offering isn't "junk". When he says go someonewhere else, he means it. He dictates how he runs his business right or wrong, and he's obviously doing something right. There are many programs all competing in a crowded space, go with someone who has the material you want to work with. If you can't be constructive don't bother.. catch more flies with honey and all that, tbh even though I don't agree with how the situation was handled, I don't see how you could think you're the injured party here, he mostly replied in kind to your initial insults. The affiliates that "built his program for him" aren't likely talking about how much his work sucks to him on icq, they're just getting on with making money, and he would treat them professionally.

I don't even know why i'm spelling this out.. It's basic commonsense.. This isn't the 8th grade as much as gfy makes it look that way... Think about you way you communicate, you don't need to get Honours in neurolinguistics and ancient egyptian hypnotherapy to know how to approach a sponsor professionally. Didn't ignorant pig fearing sand people millenia ago stop sacrificing goats for a second to notice that you should do unto other as you would have them do unto you?

"Hey Maxwell, this is Escortbiz, I've been looking at the junk you call sites that you're building to promote us with.. They're crap with broken tags everywhere and poor spelling in the text.. what can you do to fix up that crap so we'll let you promote us?"

Yea well that's usually me..
Usually would have been more of this "Might want to have your web guys look over the promo content.. some of it seems to be mismatched and the quality isn't very good". But when you get some jerkoff with the "u r?" you assume you've got some $2000/yr third world "affiliate manager" like you've dealt with 1000 times. I am not too very patient with that shit any more. That or young people.

Making alot of money is great.. if someone notices something that could help you make more, listen to them.

That's it. :thumbsup

If you're doing your job right you shouldn't need "top notch" quality content to sell the site. That said when i promoted tushycash a lot of the sets looked like movie caps. Even still, the galleries got accepted at tgps and sales came in. I"m still getting sales 3 years later off them. So EscortBiz does know what hes talking about.

What an idiot.

no one will take your side, everyone will stick up for the program owners around here, no matter what... people will ass kiss a program owner even when they dont even push or promote the guys stuff.

I've been with TushyCash for a very long time. Pretty much since EB opened up the program. Never had a problem with him at all. Sure some of the videos that are cut up are lower quality but it is working for them. Did you ask if you could cut up your own clips from higher res videos?

That doesn't sound like the EB that I've talked to over the years. You coming right at him and his business set him off it looks like.

Just want to make this clear.. I don't give a fuck about kissing ass... I shouldn't even be piping up in case people think I condone swearing at affiliates.. This is just an amusing thread.. Someone completely oblivious about how rude they were being complaining about what they instigated. It's like an elderly driver plowing through an intersection without looking and leaving an accident in their wake and shaking their head at the "hooligans" smashed up in the rear view mirror.
He still thinks being spoken to in common text speak is justification for his rudeness.

I got everything I needed over there.. and a great program to work for. sucks to be you.

First off. Relax. Not all people deal with things the way you want.

Take a deep breath, and move on.

Hit me up if I can help you find what you are looking for.

Have a nice day/weekend, and forget it.

Tushy Cash is indeed a great programme with some truely unique sites however I would be interested in seeing the time delay between giving your affiliate id and then getting that response. No doubt the owner looked up the account, saw you don't do high sales and then took that approach. Pretty sure if you were sending 10 or more sales per day then the approach would have been different.

I was wondering when that point would be brought up.

Not sure what his numbers are but the affiliates who act like this are usually the biggest pain in the ass and the lowest on productivity.

Here's my :2 cents:: My affiliates are the most important for me. Sometimes some of them are rude but I would NEVER be rude back at them, unless they would treat me personally like shit. But it happened before that an affiliate contacted me to tell me that my FHGs have a problem with my tumbs or rss....I said thanks for the constructive comment and would make it better.....

Your program would be WAY better if Jenna Haze was my personal sex slave.

Now...Make it happen.

hehehehe

I remember a LONG time ago (some years), I hit escortbiz up on icq....He initially treated me the same way, which is with skepticism....But after I let him know who I was and the purpose of me contacting him, he got down to business..

It's been so long, I can't even remember what it was about.....But I can say that he gives the same treatment to anybody who hits him up unsolicited...

Ok, after reading a good portion of the first page, people are jumping Mr Maxwell for being "rude" by saying tushycash' promo material is junk, yet applauding tushycash and taking his side for being "rude" and telling him to fuck off...

I really don't understand.

Probaly a bro thing...

Must be...

Ever heard of the golden rule?

So it's ok for the program owner to be a complete dick but not the affiliate?

Nah... bro club.

No shit.

EscortBiz is acting like a cunt.


Got to love the elitist "u r" attitude.

Fuck you puto, if you run a program you have to answer WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU, SIR?

Your program ain't shit without affiliates.


All the guy did was point out the shitty promo materials and ask for a better way to PROMOTE YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS.

People stop to be nice when they have toomuch money.

Who said that?

Try to comprehend.....

If you are a dick to me, I will be a dick to you. That's life. I've been a dick to plenty of people so for me to expect anything different from them would be pretty fucking stupid, wouldn't it?

Dude was a dick and was treated accordingly. Don't like it? Don't do business with TushyCash. It's pretty cut and dry. :2 cents:

Really?

I know people in this biz who have made millions without any affiliates.

I know even more companies who are getting tired of the affiliate model and have started building their own traffic pumps to prepare for the future and cut out some of the expenses that affiliates generate.

People in this industry always bitch and complain about nobody being professional, I guess its understandable when you act like a dick to people who just want to help you make money...

If you want to help people make money, it's best to not be a dick to them first.

next time show your gfy players card.

Yeah, that is not a way to start a conversation on a professional level.

Then maybe you shouldn't be a cry baby and get butt hurt when someone calls your promo material junk if it really is junk.

i work once with escortbizpro, this old woman are really pain in the ass, she's so rude and very arrogant. she's always telling me her thousands of bank notes that are lying in her cabinet. :1orglaugh

Good, now that that's settled, thread closed.

Cry baby? Butt hurt?

Uh....He told him to go elsewhere. The only cry baby I see in this thread is the person who started it. I see a lot of dumb people replying but only one "cry baby."

A lot of program owners here seem to see affiliates as being like slaves who should be happy with whatever they are given. Needless to say it is best to avoid doing business with these people at least as an affiliate of theirs.

I think both were less than pleasant but the rep/owner was clearly an ass and unprofessional. The affilaite was also unprofessional and could have phrased things in a less offensive manner at first as well.

Jaysin,
Shut up dude, you're wrong. lol... love you - seriously you're the best but in this case - you're wrong.

My quick thread summary, brought to you by boredom:

- If you are offended by "u r?" or an affiliate saying your current promo content is junk, you are extremely oversensitive. Both guys here sound like spoiled brats on that account.

- If EB was truly offended, he wouldn't have bother asking the guy for his ID and told him to fuck off right away. This came down to EB checking the guys' stats, seeing no sales and telling the guy to fuck off because he's not making him money right now (and is skeptical he ever will).

- Tushycash's sites and content seem to get rave reviews from everyone in here.

- The BROs seem to be out in full force in this particular thread. I honestly expected way more people to back the affiliate here.

- My own opinion is, unless he thinks it will have an effect on his bottom line, the owner of said program isn't going to waste his time with any 'potential' affiliates and made that pretty publically known. As for MrMaxwell, there are many programs who do cater to all affiliates and you should seek one of them out instead.

Why is it considered unreasonable to ask for better promotional content? Isn't this in the best interest of both parties?

Given that the affiliate, in this case, has invested considerable time/energy already, I think the webmaster's attitude is completely unjustified. Most promotional content *is* junk and its not uncommon that decent affiliates must request better content -- but only so that they can convert better and make YOU more money. Why is this even such a big issue?

You make sense.
I threw a little gallery traffic at this POS and my gallery converted really very well.
If the POS thought my account was too small, fine, but I've seen big money business lose money over offending some little people before. Any businessman worth his shit will know better than to act the way this retard did. Period. It can be making millions now but with that kind of an attitude no one with a brain will trust it.

When the shit ain't even good enough to play on a phone, and you cannot use it, you cannot use it. Alot of guys probably don't even give this scumball a chance once they see that. Who wants to put up with mismatched thumb and wildly varied quality?

Alot of guys sign up, see the promo content, and leave if they don't like what they see. If this deadbrain cannot comprehend that, fine, but it might do well to realise that I'm right about what I tried to say to it.

It's wonderful for successful affiliates... shit promo material drives alot of affiliates away. Less competition for the remaining affiliates is good for them. This big headed program owner has a balls bigger than its brain.