There is something fishy here.. this doesn't sit right with me man... just doesn't seem right... however a plumber running for congress is not that shocking to me anymore... geee... wonder why.....

You're right, the part about him not "officially" being a plumber is kind of splitting hairs, but its a side note that fact lends itself to is that nothing about where this guy was coming from with his question nor the way that McCain is using him in his campaign makes sense. Everything about him and what he said has a big hole in it. If he was making over 250k, then no problem, legitimate question, plumber or not, no problem... legitimate question, done. But again the fact remains, since he does not make over 250k, his question was illegitimate. He even fumbled over the amounts that the business makes to make sure that he stated an amount that would be ober 250k. To fake it was the only way that Joe could put a proverbial finger in Obamas chest (for whatever reason he has to do so) somethinig he would not have had any leverage to do so had he told the truth... that he makes 40k/year and is not "getting ready" to buy his bosses business, as he said, "Its a dream of mine". Since the truth is not much to stand on against Obama (in fact its reason to stand with him), Joe had to make something up.

Obama said he would be taxed when he was under the impression that Joe would be making 280k per year like Joe said. Surely he would take the man at his word. Now that Obama has the correct information and Joe admits that he makes no where near that, the fact is clear, Joes taxes will remain the same as they are now under Obama. You can't lie and say you're gonna be making 280k and then run around and say "see he's gonna tax me" when you actually only make $40k. That's simply a lie.


Bottom line, IF YOU MAKE OVER 250k YOUR BUSH TAX CUT WILL GO AWAY, IF YOU MAKE UNDER 250k YOUR TAXES WILL STAY THE SAME. Read that over a couple of times, repubs seem to not hear that.

Single father of a 13 year old boy askes a question based on a made up scenario where he would make over 250k. Thats what this is all about, whether he makes or is about to make 250k+ or not. He said he was "about to", he IS NOT about to. That's what this is all about. He faked it. When you fake or lie about something, especially something that has important implications, people absolutely do get their panties in a twist and will and should go after you every time. Lie in court and you go to jail. If you're gonna lie, you have to be willing to face the consequences and that's what Joe is going through right now. It's not a poor guy who asked a legitimate question in his front yard. It's a guy who stretched the truth and asked an illegitimate question in order to be able to corner a guy who he is against (for some reason that's not logically nor reasonably apparent). You can win a lot of arguments by lying but it doesn't make you right.

TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS PER YEAR = taxes WILL go up
UNDER TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS PER YEAR (Joe Plumber for now and years to come) = taxes WILL NOT go up

That being said, see the "Sara Pailin meets Joe The Plumber" scene which is converting like crazy at CougarsInHeat.com now! :)

there are way to many posts to read threw now but not having a liscense dosent mean anything. its just something the state gives you saying you have a business. i spray drywall texture but i dont need a liscense. and how many people here still drive even though they have a suspended liscense. just cuz you dont have a liscense to drive dosent mean you dont know how to drive. anyway. about that $250,000 that obama wants to tax. if you can make 250,000 a year then you should definatly be able to afford health care for your employees. bad john mccain for thinking thats a terrible plan. and if you make 250k shame on you for thinking you will be broke for having to pay higher taxes, like the world is comming to an end. just the concerns joe the plumber has.

Its simple really. He asked Obama a simple hypothetical question in his own front yard. He did not request Obama to come there. So much for the (keating conspiracy) lol. He asks him the question we all know what he asked. Obama answered. Doesn't matter whether he already owns it. In fact I think its pretty damn smart to find out the answers before he takes over the business. Him and his boss had already talked about him taking over the business. So regardless of the license, his current salary etc, the guy wanted an answer. Obama answered in a way that obviously sparked up an issue with a large percentage of the country. Spread the wealth. All these diversions on Joe, and Joe's background, tax history, current license situation, etc etc are all bs.

Why in the world a private citizen asking an honest question deserves him to have his life torn apart is beyond me. I don't care if he is running for office. If he does more power to him. We need more people like that in office imo. Common sense non elitists that know they are in office to serve, not to be served. Ok back to my Wendy's frosty and Hamburger mmmmm. :upsidedow

I couldn't agree more

Joe The Plumber has a better grasp on politics than most.

Republitards Unite!

p-a-t-h-e-t-i-c

Neither statement is true whether or not Obama or MCCain is president.

Would McCain like to keep the Bush tax cuts for all? Sure. Does the president pass tax laws? no. CONGRESS does. He can ASK Congress to keep the Bush tax cuts for the highest income bracket. What are the odds a Democratically controlled Congress will do that? NONE. So McCain is making promises he KNOWS he can not possibly keep. Also Mcain want to tax the health care benefits fup those same people making $250,000 as income which they are not now curently taxed. So how is he not raising taxes? McCain wants to give everyone making undeer a certain amount a $5000 check to spend on health insurance. How is that not a government handout? McCain supporters can not explain these things.

The fact you agree with sticky tells me all I need to know about you.

Looks like someone is letting their fifteen minutes of fame go to their head :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

that works both ways now doesn't it?

Because it wasn't an honest question. Honest would have been, "I make 40k but I have a dream to own my bosses business which makes $250k one day." Then Obama would have said, "well great Joe, you fall under 250k so you will get a tax cut under my plan which will help you save money to buy that business." "Furthermore, even when you do buy it, since you will not take home 250k from it for sometime (because of overhead, expenses...), you will continue to save, likely through my entire term(s)." Joe knew that spelling it out clearly and honestly would not have served his agenda well, which practically, logically, clearly, every way you look at it, must not have anything to do with taxes. What Joe did is called subterfuge and it's pretty slick actually.

Surely you know how stupid that makes you sound. Me not agreeing with sticky makes me look smart and like a decent human being. Sticky is POS.

Ahahah, clearly you have no clue what you are talking about and fell right in the trap. Numerous independent national polls have shown that anyone with common sense orders the spicy chicken from Wendy's!

Ok you have probably only seen the video that cuts off the first part. Joe clearly tells Obama he is about to buy a company. He clearly says I am getting ready to buy a company that makes 250 to 280k a year. I know most of the networks out there cut that part off, so can't blame you for not knowing that. :winkwink:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=JDVM7...eature=related

Yes you are the cream of the crop... :1orglaugh I won't go dirty and leave it at that. :thumbsup

thats what you come back with?

weak...

let me know when you have actually formed a coherent thought you have the capability of expressing above a 2nd grade level.

you are right and sticky sticks with a party that does nothing for him.

Nope I love Bob, but he is 100% wrong. Watch the video I linked in the post above. Joe CLEARLY states he isn't the biz owner. He says he may buy the business he works from off his boss.

"Politics is a big part of my life. I love how American government works," - WOW. This misinformed and naive individual obviously has no idea how American Politics works.

Sticky, I know, I have seen the whole thing. That is the part that is false. In fact Joe has since admitted that he is no where near "getting ready" to buy anything and that owning his bosses business is "a dream" (exact quote from the show Huckabee on Fox). He used "getting ready to..." as subterfuge, again since he would have not had a leg to stand on if he had just been clear and truthful (clear and truthful = "I make 40k but I have a dream to own my bosses business which makes $250k one day.").
Joe is against Obama, but it ain't because of taxes, it cannot possibly be since he'll save under Obama's plan and isn't anywhere near "getting ready" to buy anything nor make $250k+.

I don't necessarily agree with Obama's plans part about raising taxes on the rich. I understand that it's not so much as a tax hike as it is setting the rates back to where they were before Bush cut them. I can appreciate Obama's ambition to help out middle class people like Joe who are suffering under the current climate.

Fact is there are many subtle and sometimes maybe dark and not so politically correct reasons that people have to vote for each candidate that go unspoken. If you read between the lines, this whole "Joe the Plumber" situation illustrates that well and not much else.

I'll put this info in the Who Gives A Shit? File.

Joe the Plumber was probably on the Republican/Fox News payroll from the get-go.

Apparently you are unaware that it was OBAMA that went TO Joe the plumbers house...lol

nobody will remember him in 2 weeks from now