Are you kidding me? The original design sucked shit. You had a bunch of flowers and a big ass picture of a webcam on the left side. You did not have a place for a sample video, and you did not have a list of reasons to join. You should be happy it looks a bit better now than the original design. Fuck post the original design on here and give everyone on here a good laugh. Either fix the shit or give a refund since you did not deliver a website even close to what we asked for.

uhuh
if you're referring to
http://www.desertcuties.com/new

it looks no better than anything!
it's flawed in so many ways I doubt anyone in his right mind would even bother to ellaborate on that...

Not true at all. Jason has had months to build this website and he fucks around. He does not answer any e-mails and he bitches when you ask him to make changes. I would not want a refund if his ass would actually finish the damn job. The website has no navigation bar, and he said an adult website does not need one. WTF?

Actually, it is that clear.

1. Wouldn't matter if adult, or not. It is still a virtual transaction.

Meaning no tracking number, nor tangible, so it would not be covered. Unless, you sent the design to them on disk, and you have a UPS tracking number or something to that effect.

I have heard this directly from PayPal on my disputes. Whether adult or not, if you can't PROVE you delivered (i.e. mail and tracking) then you have no case says PayPal.

Are we clear?

You did not see it before he made some changes. He actually thinks that website looks good. Perhaps he needs his eyes checked.

You lying sack of shit. This is the last I will respond to you and youre bullshit. Why dont you tell everyone how unstable you are. How you like to email pure drivel containing obcenities and other bullshit trying to strong arm me into more shit. No wonder people hate you on here. You and yours suck.

Fuck you.

Why dont you tell us all how you lied and forged email headers to try to get more changes made to your galleries.

Go fuck yourself. I am done with you and your lies.

One last response...

Since Greg doesnt have the balls to defend himself, he sicks you on me...

If you wanted a nav bar why did you approve the design without one? MONTHS AGO????

I like many other designers give clients final mock ups. If the client approves, that is what they get. Designers DO NOT go and change a site MONTHS after client has approved and delivery of the site.

Get real. I do suggest you idiots approve the paypal offer or risk getting your account closed by paypal.

Im kind of stunned that you took a design order from Jane B. In business, sometimes its better to turn a deal down :2 cents:

good luck Headless, nothing worse than communication breakdown with design clients.

and this thread is great.

it makes me want to design paysites. :1orglaugh

Board personas tend to differ quite greatly from what people are like in real life.

But DamageX keeps dat shit real for da playas...

http://www.sin20.com/node/4634

I was under the impression that we are discussing if the transaction is allowed at all, not if it's covered under "seller protection", but doesn't matter now, the thread turned a whole new direction....

But in this case... :thumbsup

Paypal is going to ask the seller to prove you sent him something, and by that...they mean physically mailed to him in a package. If you can't prove that, the buyer will be able to get his money back. Doesn't matter what type of transaction it was, if you can't prove that you actually sent him something via USPS, FedEx, et al...they will more than likely win their claim against you.

Paypal is ass. If you are doing adult you shouldn't go near them. They shut down accounts they say are adult and don't release the funds.

Well if the website had been done months ago then I can see why you would bitch. Since it was done only a month ago and you were asked to add a nav bar a little over three weeks ago I am not sure why you are bitching. Greg didn't send me in here. I saw it last night before I went to bed. For some strange reason you brought my name into the thread after you said in an e-mail I was not your client Greg was. As for being hated you are pretty much hated on here as well. You and your design skills are a laugh.

I did not pick him and most of his contact was with Greg not me. For some reason he mentioned my name in here. Also just because I fuck around on here does not mean I do that in business. He was asked to build a certain type of site and he failed to to do that. It is as simple as that. :2 cents:

anybody else going to finish the sentence?

You mean this Paypal offer?

Refund Offer From JNR Outdoors Oct. 30, 2008 Unclaimed Details $50.00 USD

Fuck you. I am not taking your $50 offer. You originally offered to give back $320, that offer I will take. I would rather see you lose your Paypal account than take $50. :2 cents:

I never offered to give you anything back you lying bitch. Why dont you shut your mouth and let Greg handle his problem since you claim he is the one dealing with me? You people are something else. You approve a design MONTHS ago and now try to blackmail me for $320 because you want another change to your design.

What part of this do you not understand? You approved it without a nav bar. Now MONTHS later you want one. Fuck you.

And yes we will both loose the account. ;)

I'm a little late to the drama table, but I'll take a seat, cos this statement can be used in evidence...

Designing is the hardest shit in the world, because you've got to please everyone. Programming sites is easy shit, cos once it works efficiently it works. All those million/day hits never see why it works, they just see it works. If the design sucks, you can kiss goodbye to those hits and signups :2 cents:

Well, I started out talking shit to headless; but here are the facts.

- He has a portfolio that shows his style of work.
- If you don't like his style then don't hire him
- If you hire him then pay what was agreed upon.
- Asking for changes a month later is a new job requiring additional payment.
- Charging back on paypal is fucking stupid.
- Paypal will rule in his favor because you downloaded the product and accepted it.
- There is no proof whatsoever that he did not do the job.

Design is a creative process, if you don't give great detail for the process then the
designer must "fill them in". If you don't like the "filler" then it's your mistake not to
have specified it to begin with.

The key language for me was "Flowers in the design".
Did you request no flowers????????????????

No.

So he has to design and read minds.

Get a grip and move on if you don't like the design.


About the $320 : He probably did $500 of shit he never charged you for.
So if you want things to be fair then send him another payment for $180 and all will be fair.

Thank you.. very good points.

It's idiotic

JaneB and Headless in the same drama? Priceless...

Good bye everyone

... so fucking annoying ...

This thread has legs... making popcorn...

why not do it over escrow???

And one banning, this thread delivers :1orglaugh

You are correct in saying that people are able to see his portfolio, but in my case with dealing with him...what he delivered was garbage, even compared to the shit he does usually have in his portfolio.

You are absolutely 100% INcorrect when you say that Paypal will find in his favor because the buyer downloaded the product. If headless can prove that he physically mailed them the product (which we know he didn't), then Paypal will lean towards the buyer in this instance. That's just how they work it.