that's tubbish, but even if true, human shields only work if the israelis know they are there. and if they know they are there they shouldn't bomb it.

When are people going to get it? WE created Islamic terrorists to do a job we wanted. Once the job was done we made them the enemy. They don't hate us for our freedoms. They hate us because we have a two-faced political agendas. In addition to that ALL of these conflicts are nothing but certain factions using religions to further their agenda of world control. Once people get it through their think heads that BOTH sides are being played by the same people (and always have been) to further their own agenda the better.

lets count how many people have died from "islamic terrorism" in israel then in the states since 2000

lets not even bother because we know way way way more americans have died than israelis , so please explain how "islamic terrorism" doesn't affect americans but only affects israelis ?


just fyi thousands of americans have died compared to a few dozen israeli's

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7822048.stm


Maybe rockets fit the Israeli agenda.. as well as the US One :2 cents:

Yes I live in the states. And yes I would love to see them cleared of people who don't belong here. I would not be one of them because my blood is from here on both sides so I'm good, and that's why I feel like the arabs do, I'm a prisoner in my own land. The only difference is this zoo here takes better care of it's animals. :helpme

A few dozen Israeli's? Are you joking? Since the conflict started in 2000 even the UN's skewed numbers from late 2007 show that over 1000 Israeli's were killed, with almost 70% of those civilians. In addition for every person killed 7 were injured. Then take into account that Israel barely has over 7 million citizens. New York City alone has over 8 million people.

Please link to 1000 DEAD Israeli since 2000 ... and the 7000 injured ....

https://youtube.com/watch?v=UN9Wz...e=channel_page

some may call this propaganda, otbhers evidence, i will say if they are willing to put it in the public eye, its probably truth since it can be investigated.

Grant it this is outdated but


123 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 1,050 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.

1,062 Israelis and at least 4,876 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000.

During Fiscal Year 2007, the U.S. gave more than $6.8 million per day to Israel and $0.3 million per day to the Palestinians.

Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.

1 Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 10,756 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.

0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 18,147 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967.

The Israeli unemployment rate is 7.3%, while the Palestinian unemployment is estimated at 23%. (Again outdated last estimate is now somewhere around 50% now)

Israel currently has 223 Jewish-only settlements and ‘outposts’ built on confiscated Palestinian land. Palestinians do not have any settlements on Israeli land.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

here is a bit more up to date:

http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/d9d...2!OpenDocument

I just wanted the original poster to show the nuumber of palestians death also..

http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/d9d...ElemFormat=jpg

http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/d9d...ElemFormat=jpg

With the latest 800 + palestians killed versus 14 israelis ( including 4 from Israeli tank shell ) , these graphs will change.

i was talking about from rockets not from war conflict, if we are including those numbers then we must include american casualties in iraq, either way you obviously missed the point entirely.

The point was it is silly to say americans don't understand because islamic terrorism doesn't affect us when we have had even by your own admission MORE people killed than israel has. so it does affect us. Saying it doesn't is silly.

don't think that is spectacular enough for " Profits of Doom " :

http://www.cjpme.ca/documents/35%20E...acks%20v.1.pdf

This is all a smoke screen .... The ultimate goal of Israel is to get the palestinians to leave and take over their land ...

Do I need to post a land " evolution " diagram to show how much land the zionist have stolen.... ?

Come on you antisemitic bastards.

Israel's doing about 50% infidel / 50% civilian with their war machine. Can't we all celebrate that? Shit. I just put a fucking yammika tree in my fish tank so my fish are kosher. Either get on the band wagon or not. Pansies.

You own words were number of Israeli's killed by Islamic terrorism compared to number of American's killed. I merely responded to that. You didn't say anything about rocket attacks. Were any of the Americans killed in rocket attacks? Absolutely not. I never said anything about American's not understanding, you always complain about people putting words in your mouth so don't put them in mine.

Personally I find the whole thing to be ridiculous. The Palestinians should have been absorbed into another Arab country after Israel won the War of Independence. Whether it is right or wrong it is what happens when you lose a war, period. The Israeli's drove a lot of Palestinians out before the war, but far more left voluntarily and joined Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Lebanon in the fighting. They were told by those countries to leave and that the Jews would be destroyed, and then they would be able to reclaim their land. Guess what, it didn't happen, so too bad. Rather than give a shit about their "Arab brethren" and absorb them into their countries they created the "Palestinian Problem" by refusing them and forcing them to become refugees.

By the way, a lot of Europeans are living on Jewish lands and in Jewish homes that they just waltzed into after the Jews were rounded up in the Holocaust. Did the Jews ever get that back? I don't think so. A lot of Jews that lived in Arab countries long before Islam was an itch in Mohammed's pants lost their land, home, businesses, money, etc. when Israel was established, and do you think they ever got that back? :1orglaugh

I'm just curious.
How do you deem a land / home "Jewish"?

yep let us wait until the Palestinians killed enough Israeli, so we can kill the same amount back again. Are you fucked in your head. :321GFY

Very simple

Hamas elected as leader >>>>

Hamas shoots rockets into Israel = Act or war >>>>

We (finally) shoot back >>>>

When we kill more of them then they kill us we won. :thumbsup = Stop rockets on my roof = Palestinian civilians can work on building there country, educate there children in stead of brainwashing them into killing all what is not following the Koran.

Is that why when Hamas was elected ( under a Israeli-US planned election ) Israel started a blockade, cut ressources ( fuel, water, electricity) , seized Palestinians funds, armed-financed Fathah to take over Gaza and so on ....

.. and I don't even bring up kand claim ...

Then you wonder why ....

LOl you think they didn't bombed us before lol. When you know a country gets corrupted with terrorists you take action. When your neighbor makes to much noise you go to his Landlord, he ignores the warnings you kick him in the face, it's all that simple.

Land claim other funny thing.

Our family lives in Israel for hundreds of years. We had many ground whith oranges plantations (my family are the people of the known Jaffa brand).

In favor of peace and happiness we gave (or is is it just be taken by the Brits) more then 50% of the ground what has be 100's of years in our family to the pact. ANY idea what the Palestinians did with this fertile money making ground. LOL trust me you don't want to know.

Fact is if the Palestinians spend the same energy in positive things as they do in negative they would be a great nation. But I have hope, woman are getting up there big time. They are demanding more and more there place, and clearly with a smarter mind then the man.

ain't NEVER EVER EVER gonna happen. the arabs are to mean and stupid to allow anything like that to happen

or if they just got billions in handouts like israel.

besides i wouldnt really call what israel does positive energy, unless of course killing handfulls of children on a daily basis is "positive"

so really you both do alot of negative things , difference is israel gets billions in donations and sophisticated weapons

actually this israeli says its not that way
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...estine/print?2

don't worry i'm sure there of plenty of ignorant arabs that feel the same way as ignorant jews :2 cents:

My friend I talk about 60 years ago :)

Ohh yea mean we are more successful with that what the Palestinians try to do daily without any response from us for a long while. Its war simple we will win, I hate every death on each site, but enough is enough, can't keep go to the shelters every time again because a idiot sends a rocket again instead of planting food and milking his cows.

Same old tired story from you. The US made it's own bed on that account. Had we not forced Israel to accept a Soviet brokered cease fire in the Yom Kippur War Israel would have marched right into Cairo and Damascus and Israel would be one of the most oil rich nations in the world. Even if the Palestinians got sophisticated weaponry (which, by the way, has probably been developed in Israel in the first place) it wouldn't matter much. The Arab nations that attacked Israel in the Yom Kippur war received plenty of arms hand outs from the USSR. A lot of good it did them.

The Palestinians should have been absorbed by other Arab nations, period. They had their chance in 1999 at Camp David. Israel bent over and grabbed their ankles, and Arafat still turned them down. Now it's too fucking bad for them...

actually its facts and certainly not ones i made happen. But yes it gives me the right to have a say so , because my tax dollars feed your children.


or it could have failed and they all died.

entirely funded by the usa so really you mean my weapons my tax dollars paid for , if i gave them the same weapons as i gave you.

give me 6 million a day and i'll invent some kickass weaponry

or you mean all the little kids who are being bombed that have no idea what the hell is going on. The arab nations you speak about aren't suffering, just kids in a cage.

WTF are you talking about, my children? I live in Ohio and this has nothing to do with me. As for giving someone 6 million a day, for all the oil riches the Arab nations have can you tell me a single innovation that has come from them? I didn't think so. As for the kids in a cage, either the Arab nations can absorb them, as they should have in the first place, or their parents can stop lobbing rockets into Israel. The last time Israel gave this kind of response, after the rash of suicide bombers, that eventually died down. I expect the rocket attacks will, too. I don't give a shit about disproportionate force, if you come up and take a swing at me, I will put you down and you won't get back up, period.

So in SmokeyTheBear's imagination land, Israel should just pull back from the area that is getting attacked with rockets, right? Because surely the Palestinians won't move forward and keep lobbing rockets until they can hit something more meaningful, right? Yeah, right...

Hmm I do think my country is very well capable to feed there own children.


Yes we call that investment. USA (any idea what religion the most richest people have in the us?) send money, we develop, we give it to them back, they sell to others, US makes money back :) dont we love how the market works.

Yes horrible for anyone that need to suffer with this problem, kids and adults. But heee my kids also would like to be free on the streets and not need to run when we hear a sirene again for a incoming missile. Also this papa would like to be with there children when they are on school and we hear the sirens. Knife cuts on 2 sides not 1. We didn't start this.

why did hamas even bomb israel in first place? dont they know IDF is a fucking powerful military ? how the hell is katusha rockets go against extremely well prepared army and air force ?

this is absolutely true. We made the enemy we fight now. Does this mean we should let them win?

there is no win lose in this situation.its just degrees of losing

Israel nears Gaza city. Allah akbarrrr. God save the queen and all that shit. I'm passing out Kwanza beads to everyone I see tomorrow.

Fuck.

and that has to do with what ? If you seriously think arabs havent produced a single innovation then you are deluded, as far as nations inventing things, i cant think of any nation that has invented anything offhand. I can think of a few nations that endless brag about a few things they invented like they were gods chosen people when really they are deluded racist freaks :winkwink:

you tell those 2 year olds who is boss man.:thumbsup:thumbsup

as for defending israel, either other nations can absorb the jews in as they should have in the first place or their parents can stop using donations to murder children




and you will bomb babies , hospitals and pregnant women just like israel does ?

So if your kid takes a swing at someone at a school , it would be allright for that kid to murder your entire family ?


its called an idea, one day when you grow up you will get them too and think for yourself even. :winkwink:
they should pull back civilians yes, the border is still the border, ask the u.n. to sit in the middle. then anyone who gets shot is obviously in the middle where they arent supposed to be. thus no babies , no civilians, problem solved.




but i would make it even simpler. everyone has 30 days to get the fuck out of israel, everyone. Nuke the entire area, all the ultra hardfast religious nuts on both side will be killed

Hmm Hospitals and bombing did remind me on something . They get what they give period.

LINK

then why all the handouts ?



you call handouts investments ? lol , i have some great investments for you.

only a racist would care, and we all know rich people pay oodles of taxes :winkwink:
thats great except wow every other country does the same thing , without getting billions in donations


and they feel the exact same way, cept they dont hear any sirens , they are just dead.



who cares who started it, they say you did , you say they did, wow suprising. you both sound like toddlers.:winkwink:

if some sicko molests your dog, are you going to molest his dog back ? :Oh crap

By the way, WTF do you mean your tax dollars? Aren't you a Canadian? Why are you bitching about US tax dollars then? Seriously, take a stroll down Google lane and let me know if you find any Arab innovation. If pissing away billions in oil riches, and then building a big tourist trap in Dubai because they are running out of oil is an innovation then I guess you got me. The use that same magical search engine and look up Israeli innovations. Let me know how that goes for you :thumbsup

Wow, just wow. Now I get it, you don't really believe what you are spewing, you are just stirring up shit to stir up shit. You're absolutely right, the Palestinians can do no wrong, and Israel can do no right. Ok then, forget I ever wasted time talking to you...

Isn't that Dubai, Saudi Arabia?

No , I kill the Sicko, if the dog is between i kill him to. Do I want it to no, its not the dogs fault that his boss is an ass. But when it comes to it it need to happen.

you obviously missed the point of the whole " eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" message. I am just pointing it out , sorry if it disturbs you :)

Do you know what Smokey, I Live there I have been in pretty much every Arabic country you can dream about. Israel has its right to defend and secure there country and people. And shitty enough war always give casualties. But tell me what do you know, what have you see. Did you ever take some Muslims in your house to with you eat with you as guests (i do). Ever be in a Mosque (i do). Do send money to help the Palestinians (i do) Have be in Palestinine to help build up projects (i do).

Smokey WHAT DO YOU KNOW by your own experiance.

i am an american
because i pay them.


maybe they just dont gloat about it as much :winkwink:

i see a bunch of ignorant people blabbering on about the same cut and paste list one tard made like they are somehow better than other people because of what someone else did who's only relation is they believe the same fairy tale :thumbsup

. I guess the lesson is racists can copy and paste very well ?

it;'s not eye for a eye, there is only one that miss the whole point and that is you..

It's not that they can do no wrong, it's that palestinians barely have enough fire power to poke holes in a few buildings and reach two border towns.

The balance of power is so highly skewed in favor of Israel that they should be the ones showing restraint.

drunk drivers killed more israelis than terrorists in 2008, every country has a right to defend itself, what israel is doing is overkill and foolish and they are losing, even with the huge kill rate if they stayed at the same rate for all out war they will run out of people.



not that is has anything to do with the discussion but sure.
yup several , and jws too
not to worship or anything but yes twice for marriages

nope.
no its quite far, have you ever been to a native american reserve to help build projects ?

Probably not because its very far away and i wouldn't expect you have.

you must realise you are deluded when thats what you get out of this conversation, the truth is thats not at all how i feel and i have the balls to say it , do you ?

the majority of what the palestine military/militants does is wrong, i feel the same way about both sides, can you say the same ? no buts, no " he started it first" , no excuses.

i dont think any side is more right or more wrong, both sides are equally fucking up.

First of all, learn how to use the quote function, because you just quoted a bunch of shit two posts up that came from another poster, not me.

Second, I have no problem being critical of Israel's military, and the funny thing is neither do the Israeli people. Just read any Israeli newspaper and you will see that. I also personally believe all the settlements should be disbanded. However, if you honestly believe that will change anything you are dead wrong. The farther Israel pulls back, the further Hamas and the other terrorists will push in. It's not coming from my mouth, and I'm not making it up when Hamas constantly says they will not negotiate with Israel and won't be satisfied until they are destroyed. If you believe otherwise, there is nothing I can do for you...

Canadian Married here :) I had my fun with some natives. Also a good example how the North Americans handled there occupation. What is your opinion on that, when do you go back to your own country?