I just wonder how the history books will explain the golden shoe statue.

Brilliant thought. End the war, bring all the soldiers home. And let them do WHAT??? How many are there? 300k?? So do we really need another 290k unemployeed???

Almost milion of Iraqis were killed during "democratization". Iraq is totally destroyed and torned up into three pieces. Do you really expect they will be thankful for that ?

Unbelievable :helpme

The average Iraqi is NOT better off.... not yet anyway.

The US military has killed around 100,000 civilians (documented deaths, who knows what the real number is), and then tells the Iraqi people that they should be upset with insurgents because they are the ones who made the bombing necessary.

People have been without water and electricty for five years.

Iraq can't keep police officer positions filled. The workers just walk off the jobs.

It is a mess over there, and their lives were better under Saddam. That is a hard thing for some to swallow, but it's true.

Indeed.

More people died violent deaths in Iraq during the 6 years since the start of the invasion than during the 24 years Saddam Hussein's reign lasted, and living conditions for most were better before the invasion than after.

Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator, there can be no doubt about it. However, the forceful "liberation", which was opposed by a majority of the Iraqi people, was arguably worse than the previous situation.

The short answer is yes. You can not liberate people who do not want to be liberated. You can not force a western ethic and lifestyle on a completely different culture. Ramming it down their throat doesn't work.

They are not better off now than they were under Saddam. They are just being fucked over in fun and exciting new ways.

in america we throw bullets

People don't give Bush enough credit. He is a fucking smart guy, he has essentially moved the front of the war against radical Islam nutjobs to Iraq and Afganistan. Most of the muslim nutjobs fighting against the US in those 2 places aren't from the countries in which they are fighting, they are from places like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia etc, and instead of attacking you Americans on your home soil and in places around the world you travel to they are flocking to those shitholes.

Bush hating has become a religion for many of you, but the guy has definitely kept you all safer. These nutjobs dont care if you are democrat or republican, they despise you because you are American, and he has effectively shifted the battleground overseas so its not you that are being targeted.

That was during the Iraq-Iran war in which we were supporting and arming Iraq.

During a major battle Iraq targeted Iranians and pro-Iranian Kurds fighting with Iran. They, along with nearby civilians, were killed by the gas.

After the attack the US immediately came to the defense of Iraq, saying that Iranian fighters caused the need for the attack and are thus to blame for any civilian deaths.

Then in the 90's when Saddam became less friendly with the US, the story changes to Saddam purposely targeting civilians in the battle.

It has long been suspected that the US gave Saddam the very gas he used in that attack and in 2003 believed that the WMD's were still there and could be found and used as justification for a war.

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This is a point that Republicans like to bring up (fight them there, not here), but there is no evidence that it actually works.

Those who carry out major terror attacks end up being educated family men living in decent areas of the middle east (some were even doctors). These guys do not take up arms and run into battle in a desert somewhere. They are martyr-types capable of carrying out elaborate and spectacular death missions unless stopped by intelligence.

The people planting IED's and going into combat are the nutjobs you refer to. It is highly unlikely that these types would ever be chosen to do anything serious since they wouldn't even know English.