Yeah, a lot of the clip stores are from mom and pops, and content producers themselves.

However, as I showed in my example.... if you buy content at a decent price. You can make your money back and then some in short order. Keep in mind on those screen shots in my example.... Those are not even EXCLUSIVE, first time clips!

I have been doing a little experiment with my own content on those stores. Working on different methods, and as you can see. They are making the money back and then some.

So I will use my example, and content, for simplicity's sake.

You buy 50 tickling clips for $3000 or 50 foot fetish clips for $2500. You do a couple of updates a week on not only clips4sale, but other stores. Do your marketing. Put in your work. You will make your money back. Launch a pay site eventually, make more money. Rinse, wash, repeat until you tweak your margins enough to go shoot your own content, or whatever the next step in your game plan is. Tha

The key, in this formula, would be get enough content at a good price, and capitalize. Make sure your license agreement allows for clip stores. Beyond that, you can now more clearly see how something like this...

http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=15493576&postcount=2
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=887448

..is more easily attainable, and how the guarantee shakes out via examples and numbers.

Oki, thanks for sharing your insight.

The 60/40 cut. Is that on gross, if an end user buys your clip for 10$, do you get $6 or do they take out the CC % before doing the split ?

Also can you run your own domain name or does it have to be clips4sale.com domain ?

Jay

The 60/40 split is gross on all the sites of this type i know. You can of course redirect your domain to the store, but only on http redirect i guess. So the user will always end up at clips4sale.com/store/xxxxx - but that has positive aspects too. Many users know the big clip selling sites (exspecially in the fetish niches), so they trust them and have no fear to be fucked by crosssales, cc fraud or whatever.

Barefootsies is giving one concrete example in this thread of using his licensed clips and selling on C4S since it is the biggest , but any person can sell their own clips or licensed clips on ClipsForSale.com, Clips.com, and/or their own domains with their own VOD/clip store and billing solutions. I do all of the above. C4S in particular has significant internal traffic and takes only 40% of the gross, no cc fees. The other stores and solutions will vary.

Lots of good information in this thread... hint hint, wink wink..say no more, say no more..

You're welcome bud.

Jimmy Gunn has buttoned up the answer for you on both questions. :winkwink:

Good to see a real business thread here that can actually help people make money should they be inclined to put in the work.

Great thread with lots of really valuable information.

I see no problem with a successful clips provider sharing some of this information. I actually see it as a benefit to the community. When more producers, providers, and webmasters begin to send some of their traffic to clips stores and site, whether it is to promote their own content, or to push traffic through an affiliate program (plug), it raises awareness of clips sites in general, which is still a fairly young concept. This is better for anyone that is getting into clips sales.

We see more and more membership sites losing members to vod and download sites, why not stay in front of the curve?

Barefootsies makes a hugely important point that I need to remind providers of all the time. We get traffic for the site, but that is mostly directed towards the index page. If you aren't updating pretty much constantly, you can only count on so much of this traffic finding it's way to your stores. This is why we offer an affiliate program. To encourage providers to send traffic to the site.

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I'll ditto this comment, but with a different focus on the reason store owners should update often - clip buyers tend to be REPEAT buyers...once they buy a clip from a store they like, they come back over and over and over for more. When they see that you update regularly, they will check back often, giving you more chances at another sale. If they see you update once a week, they will check back less frequently, giving you less chances at another sale and possibly having them forgetting about you or finding someone else they like that updates more often. The difference in success level between a frequently updated store and one that doesn't update often is HUGE...

If anyone needs any help or has questions on selling their exclusive content by the clip, please feel free to icq me.

With good content. You can make your 'membership' money and MORE in a single sale with good niche content.


Exhibit A

Looking forward to them. :jerkoff

HI Barefootsies,

thats a nice thread. There is money in C4S, maybe not as easy as it was before, but its a perfect match with a paysite. Lots of times I make bigger single sales on C4S than on my site.... dont understand it, but it is like this. I had single sales >160 U$, but those are rare. Anyhow, the trick is to drive traffic to your store as good old times on staying half a day on the front page with a single update are long gone....

Again stoopid question: I tried making a store but it tells me I can only accept payments through Gizmo card, why is this? is it because I'm not an US company/individual? :(

whoops :) seems they removed that notice (I had already uploaded stuff, so I guess was some sort of approval thing...) also, footsies: I'm not going to post the pictures here so when you're online, ICQ me :1orglaugh ... the shame >_<

Once you have uploaded your clips, and start posting some. 'Sometimes' there is a delay in your store billing going live. I dunno why, and very annoying. Has been that way for years. I just email them and get it rolling as soon as live. E-mail [email protected] and tell them you are live.

They will turn on your store and processing.

Awesomeness :) thanks very much!

True dat. Things have changed a bit over time from the good old days of the POP. But I have always looked at that as bonus traffic.

100 IM's sent to you with e-mail address for you to send toe pix.

All good tootsies. :thumbsup

This thread has provided some interesting feedback. Especially on those who see the C4S model as more a take-a-way then added revenue or value.

I can see the logic, and once thought that way. But my own tracking, and trial and error over the years has shown it to be much more profitable utilizing the clip model.

Hit me up if you want Brazilian footfetisch!

A couple of things coming up in IM's I wanna make sure are clear.

1. I do not offer guarantees on other's content. Only my own.

I can still help you (i.e. consulting) if you want to pay for it. Or you can learn on your own by taking the very generous tips from this thread, read between the lines, and apply them.

2. Those screen shots on sales are from RE-RUN stores. Not my main, first release stores. So the content HAS been seen before (mine, semi exclusive). Just retooled for different marketing approaches and angles.

3. I speak mainly to clips4sale because most of my experience is there. Not because I think any more, or less, of the others. They are just more money for you to work all stores.

4. To make it profitable, like in my first example, you need to be able to buy clips in bulk. You also need the originals preferably. This way you can make content in your own WMV, DVIX, AVI whatever. Some only offer to watermark and send in one format. RAW may cost more. You can always offer broadband, dialup, whatever.

5. You must have 2257 and licensed content to do a clip store (Why I need to even mention this is funny, sad, disturbing). If you do not, and you are found out. You will forfeit all revenue. Many have tried with stolen content. It does get reported. So just a head's up for you.

Great post right there.

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5. You must have 2257 and licensed content to do a clip store (Why I need to even mention this is funny, sad, disturbing). If you do not, and you are found out. You will forfeit all revenue. Many have tried with stolen content. It does get reported. So just a head's up for you."

This can not be stressed enough. As stores are provider managed, we have so many new providers hopping on board that don't even know what the 2257 regulations are. We do not insist on storing 2257 records, but we do insist that all providers give us the name and address of their custodian of records. If you do not know what a custodian of records is, I suggest that you do some research before you get into the porn producer game. This is your life and your freedom on the line. Not something to take lightly.

Question: Are you running multiple stores with the same clips? If so, how is this working out for you?

The c4s software doesn't allow identical clips to be added more than once, so they need to be re-rendered. This is something that people using purchased content need to keep in mind.

1. It is working very well. As screen shots show.

In a content purchase, as in my example, would have broke even or made profit by now.

2. Anyone purchasing content may not render the same way, format, and definately clip file names will change. No different then running ipod, WMV, MPG, MOBI stores. Same content. Or one store for full length, and other for segments.

There are many ways to run a clip store(s) friend.

Great as always, thanks for sharing bro!

Here are some of the sales over the past few days to show you the relation of a few clips, compared to a $29.95 membership.


In no time, you are making that $29.95 off a handful of clips, repeatedly. I dunno about you. But I am in this for the MONEY.

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Thanks for jumping in Dan (clips.com). All the clip stores enforce this tightly, which is nice in this content theft day in age.

I know for me personally I have had people report when they have seen my content somewhere. As well, I have seen some sites on the clip stores where, even though my competition in niche, I knew were unauthorized. I contacted the owners, and within an hour the thief was out of business.

Oh, I completely agree man.

Open a new store, and you were on there for the better part of a week. Update regularly, and you would be there for an hour or more. It was great, and you could tell when you had a front page listing because sales would be poppin'.

That said, I enjoyed that, and it was great. But all good things come to an end, and those couple of hours were nice, but there were another 20 in the day. I was concentrating on trying to keep the traffic rolling all 24 hours. Which is why my own approach was different.

I do not fault those who could rely on the old system. I am just saying that I never looked to thatg as my sole traffic stream. I wanted more control, and more consistency.

Move along people.... nothing to see here. ;)

Shhh

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Don't give away the secrets TatrSalad. Pleasure doing business.

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Well, on the minus side, it took me about two seconds of browsing before I found some of my content on there. On the plus side, I hear they are good about removing unauthorized stuff and maybe I'll try out a store on there.

Any experience with the images4sale portion?

Yep. You just contact Neil and they close the store, and seize the funds. I am not sure if they also reverse back any monies paid, but that would be delicious.

I have never used the images4sale portion so I can't answer to that.

I finally listened to barefootsies INCESSANT rambling about clipstore this and clipstore that so I put up a clip store just to see what he was so fucking giggly about...

Here is mine http://www.clips4sale.com/store/24658

Well, I really want to kick myself in the nuts for not putting up the store sooner....All of the YEARS of missed money :(

I'm telling you this....If you have a lot of exclusive content in your members area, take some of that old content off the shelf, blow off the dust, and throw it up in your clip store....It takes NO EXTRA WORK on your part and you make money just by uploading it....

Now granted, I am sending my own traffic to it so I don't know how valuable being on the front page is but I believe that at least my first couple sales were a direct result of C4S's internal traffic...

If you're doing anything besides feet, you'll probably be ok because all you see on there is feet, feet, and more muthafucking feet......They even have weird fetished like "ruined ejaculations"....It's INCREDIBLE to see the depth of perversion in society..I haven't seen so much weird shit in one place for years....