I hate crab grass... don't even get me started!

Unless people start equating Obama with a continuously eroding economy and the economy continues to deteriorate for the next 4 years, there's a high chance Obama will will reelection in 2012. People voted for change in 2008 and if he's able to deliver on these changes (against substantial opposition to be sure), then he would have put CHANGE and the ECONOMY on separate tracks. If that's the case, he'd be reelected--even with a crappy economy. Remember, FDR was reelected even with the economy in the tank.

Now if Obama became SYNONYMOUS with the bad economy and he flounders on promised changes, then he'd be a Jimmy Carter rethread.

This thread title rocks.

I beg to disagree and I will tell you why. Obama got elected because he softened his message mid-campaign and tried to become more mainstream and move to the middle-left. It worked obviously, of course he had a very weal opponent in my humble opinion. Obama is a wonderful politician and an incredible speaker, very likable those obviously also helped him. The people in the middle didnt vote him in to "push a vast social agenda" they voted him in because they believed he would be "positive" to the country and perhaps unite Washington politicians. Congressional approval ratings were horrendous during the Bush and Clinton years and people are tired of Congress.

Obama has LOST the people in the middle-right that you can take to the bank. Obama has LOST the older white generation as well now, they see the effect the economy has taken on their retirement and it is only getting worse. Obama has done nothing to help those people, his stimulus doesnt even address that issue at all.

The economy WILL get worse, and it is accelerating at a pace even the Obama administration did not expect. Obama had the good faith of many in the middle-right(which whether you like it or not is the majority in America) but he is losing it very quickly.

When the Congressional budget office says that the Obama stimulus bill will hurt the economy you know we got serious problems. Unfortunately I think Obama had many fooled that he was an agent of positivity but he has ushered in an era of complete pessimism.

We shall see in 2012, if we make it that far.

While I agree that he had a weak opponent I feel like people voted for Obama because they felt the country was going in the wrong direction and they thought, of the choices available, he was the better choice to fix that problem. You can't peg any one group as voting for a guy for any one reason. People vote for a million different reasons. I know people who didn't vote for him simply because he is pro-choice. I know others who still think he is a muslim. I know people who voted for him just because he is black and others who voted for him because the thought he had some good ideas and still others voted for him because they thought he would bring in universal health care and get us out of Iraq.

Has he lost some people? Sure. Has he lost all of the people on the middle right and all of the older white people? I doubt it. On the day he was sworn into office he had a 69% approval rating. Today he has a 62%. That is a decline, but not the mass exodus you like to paint. And I would love to see where you get the fact that most of Americans are middle-right. That is standard issue republican talking points. They want you to believe that just like the democrats want you to believe that most people are middle left.

You are 100% certain his economic plan will fail. Maybe it will. Maybe it won't. Sure there are a lot of economist who say it won't help. There are also a bunch of them who say it will. In the end we have to wait and see. If it were so easy and you, a simple GFY poster, has all the answers, then why hasn't some of the economist (Nobel winning economist at that) that are advising Obama figured that out? Could it be that maybe he is about 6-7 weeks into his presidency and he still has more ideas coming down the pipe? No that couldn't be it. Nobody does that. Nobody puts out one idea, gets it through then works on a second idea or a third to back up the first. Again, maybe it will fail. Maybe we will plunge into the depths of a recession and implode on ourselves. But maybe it will work.

His reelection really depends on him. If, 3 years from now, the economy is doing better he will be credited for that regardless of how much of a role he played in it. If, 3 years from now, things are doing okay in Iraq and and Afghanistan he will be credited with that as well. If those two things are happening chances are he will have a pretty good approval rating. If that is the case it won't matter who the republicans run they will lose. It is hard to unseat an incumbent president. It is nearly impossible to unseat a popular president who appears to be doing a good job.

I don't agree with everything he is doing. I know he is not perfect. But he has been in office 6-7 weeks now. You can't project out what will happen in the next 4 years based on what he has done over the last 6-7 weeks.

yeah us liberals are so terrified of open debate lol.. that's why Rush Limbaugh won't EVER debate anyone. That's why just about all conservative websites have no comment space.

The reason why we say you spout Republican propaganda is because just about all repug 'talking points' are just that - sheer propaganda shot down soooo easily by anyone with knowledge of the subject at hand.

It's mystifying to me how you could have been alive and in this country over the last eight years, watching our civil liberties disappear and our economy go to shit and still talk this utter bullshit with such conviction.

Actually, I'm a registered Independent. I wouldn't call myself a supporter, but I'd prefer Obama to Dubya or Mccain. In my eyes, it was the lesser of the 2 evils. I personally think our options over the last 8 years have sucked and taking jabs at Obama doesn't offend me or upset me either way.

I do think that seeing a business board cluttered with your 30 threads a day is a bit excessive. 1 or 2 is fine, but when I have to go to page 3 to find something related to the adult industry because page 1 and 2 is all Obama crap, something is wrong. You can say that the "Fucking Around" section is a free-for-all, but let's face it: It's the only part of GFY that has business threads. :2 cents:

I have Splum on ignore, but someone quoted him and this post showed up. I think this part is hilarious.

Softened his message and became more mainstream?

That's why like a month before the election he told Joe the plumber he wanted to "spread the wealth around"?
You right wingers went fucking nuts talking about "redistribution of wealth and socialism".

If he was moving to the center or even center-left or mainstream or whatever....he would have backpedaled, come up with a "oh I meant something else by that" line...like McCain did with "The fundamentals of the economy are strong" and then later "By fundamentals, I meant American workers, they're strong" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Anwyays, he never took it back, never qualified it, let it stand as it was.

He said he was running to reverse the policies of the past 8 (or 28) years that said if you cut taxes for the wealthy, and deregulate the economy so businesses can do whatever they want, that everyone will prosper.

Now that he's doing exactly that, you idiots are acting surprised and trying to pretend he never said he was going to do these things, and that the voters were somehow duped.

Gimme a fucking break.

By the way... I do not support much of what is in the bailout, I do not support socialized health care, and I'm not a big fan of excessive lower class bailouts. If you think I have an agenda, you sir are quite mistaken.

As I keep saying...I'm just tired of finger pointing. The best thing to do is just handle your business and stop getting mad about things that are out of our hands.

It's mostly just Obama name droppers looking for attention. Most have made the ignore list...

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