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u-Bob 03-11-2009 08:06 AM

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Blazed 03-11-2009 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15612501)
"that part of the news"... you mean the occasional lone voice in the wilderness claiming "Islam is a religion of peace" as suicide bombings are being celebrated, as people are cheering on the destruction of Isreal, beating women, not letting them get an education or work or making them walk around like fucking bee-keepers etc etc etc etc etc?

the part I hear the most about in the USA is the "Islamic defamation league" and other similar groups who want to attack you the second you say anything about THEM.... because you're racist and intolerant.

Why do you think it is a lone voice? How about the fact that a muslim saying he condemns actions of an extremist is not going to be front page fucking news is it. You will sell a lot more papers showing a few radicals.

Blazed 03-11-2009 08:24 AM

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2...ge3438410g.jpg

Christian extremists.

Pleasurepays 03-11-2009 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Blazed (Post 15612530)
Why do you think it is a lone voice? How about the fact that a muslim saying he condemns actions of an extremist is not going to be front page fucking news is it. You will sell a lot more papers showing a few radicals.

because that's what it always is across the Muslim world. the prevailing attitude/loudest voice is that which supports this type of behavior and anti-western sentiment... even when coming from within your own country.

its that silent majority coupled with the vocal minority that has allowed radical islam to take over large parts of the middle east and Asia. pretending one doesn't compliment the other is a little silly.

at the end of the day, its about who is being heard. just as the basic principle of "Freedom of press" in the US is to ensure (although not perfectly) that both sides of an issue are heard... not having that other equally loud voice of opposition is the same as no opinion/opposition at all since the loudest and most heard viewpoint always has an advantage.

Scott McD 03-11-2009 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Blazed (Post 15612514)
I have never been mugged by a muslim, i have never seen a muslim selling crack, i have personally never seen muslims as anything but driven people from school to college and now in work. I dont see muslims drunk on the street having fights, smashing things up and acting like idiots.

Making home-made bombs is more their style. :2 cents:

Police here have stopped hundreds of plans for attacks in the UK, via raids on homes etc. It's only because of them the UK hasn't had numerous atrocities in the past few years...

cykoe6 03-11-2009 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by biggilo (Post 15611835)
..thats not the way to do it....in Belfast these guys cross the road to get away from us :winkwink:

That is the only way to do it. Civilized people need to stand up to these inbreds. They should be afraid of us........ not the other way around. In Latvia the Islamists keep their heads down and their mouths shut because they know if they make eye contact someone will bash the fuck out of them.

Blazed 03-11-2009 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott McD (Post 15612731)
Making home-made bombs is more their style. :2 cents:

Police here have stopped hundreds of plans for attacks in the UK, via raids on homes etc. It's only because of them the UK hasn't had numerous atrocities in the past few years...

Extremists make home made bombs, any example of a muslim that wasnt an extremist with a home made bomb? Yet there are no shortage of apparently normal white and black boys walking around with knifes and in some cases guns. These same people comitting atrocities.

The police havent stopped hundreds of plans for attacks either.

Scott McD 03-11-2009 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 15612778)
That is the only way to do it. Civilized people need to stand up to these inbreds. They should be afraid of us........ not the other way around. In Latvia the Islamists keep their heads down and their mouths shut because they know if they make eye contact someone will bash the fuck out of them.

Over here, preachers of hate get given police protection. The whole situation is our governments fault to be honest. Police are helpless as they only follow government orders.

No wonder the BNP is gaining more popularity each year...

sortie 03-11-2009 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 15609099)
and then the second wave greets them:
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/a...82_476181a.jpg

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Andy CHOOPA 03-11-2009 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 15609099)
and then the second wave greets them:
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/a...82_476181a.jpg

LOLOL awesome

Kinky John 03-11-2009 10:14 AM

100% agree

you spend months in Helmund . . and come back to that shit

sure they wish they still had their sidearms . . so much for freedom of fucking speech

all the british squaddies have more spine than ANY of these so called british muslims

Kinky John 03-11-2009 10:16 AM

btw: dental hygiene has improved slightly since WW2

Scott McD 03-11-2009 10:18 AM

4,000 MUSLIM BRITS JOIN TALIBAN

THOUSANDS of British-born Muslims have joined the Taliban in Afghanistan.



UK troops say they are facing a mini civil war as more Brits head out to fight for the enemy.

Senior officers said British-born Muslims from the West Midlands and Yorkshire have travelled to Helmand province and other parts of southern Afghanistan.

Interception of Taliban communications has revealed the sound of jihadists speaking with West Midlands accents.

One senior military source said: ?It is the Punjabi and Kashmiri Urdu speakers who fall back into English in, for example, Brummie accents.

?You get the impression they have been told not to talk in English but sometimes can?t help it.?

Robert Emerson, a security analyst, added: ?There is ample evidence British Muslims trained in camps in Pakistan.

Blazed 03-11-2009 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott McD (Post 15613053)
4,000 MUSLIM BRITS JOIN TALIBAN

THOUSANDS of British-born Muslims have joined the Taliban in Afghanistan.



UK troops say they are facing a mini civil war as more Brits head out to fight for the enemy.

Senior officers said British-born Muslims from the West Midlands and Yorkshire have travelled to Helmand province and other parts of southern Afghanistan.

Interception of Taliban communications has revealed the sound of jihadists speaking with West Midlands accents.

One senior military source said: ?It is the Punjabi and Kashmiri Urdu speakers who fall back into English in, for example, Brummie accents.

?You get the impression they have been told not to talk in English but sometimes can?t help it.?

Robert Emerson, a security analyst, added: ?There is ample evidence British Muslims trained in camps in Pakistan.

Where does the 4,000 number come from, apart from it making a good headline for the trashy red top papers.

Blazed 03-11-2009 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15612599)
because that's what it always is across the Muslim world. the prevailing attitude/loudest voice is that which supports this type of behavior and anti-western sentiment... even when coming from within your own country.

its that silent majority coupled with the vocal minority that has allowed radical islam to take over large parts of the middle east and Asia. pretending one doesn't compliment the other is a little silly.

at the end of the day, its about who is being heard. just as the basic principle of "Freedom of press" in the US is to ensure (although not perfectly) that both sides of an issue are heard... not having that other equally loud voice of opposition is the same as no opinion/opposition at all since the loudest and most heard viewpoint always has an advantage.

Read this http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.p...ighlight=luton a discussion on the protesting by muslims. They believe it was an illegal war, which it was. But they mostly understand this protesting was in bad taste, some of them even think the protesters should have been beaten up. They are not plotting which bus to blow up and discussing the best techniques of turning a turban into a bomb.

Pleasurepays 03-11-2009 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Blazed (Post 15613085)
Where does the 4,000 number come from, apart from it making a good headline for the trashy red top papers.

blah blah blah... from the guy living in a place that tolerates muslim clerics preaching jihad against its own nation, raising funds, recruiting kids to fight etc.

Blazed 03-11-2009 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15613100)
blah blah blah... from the guy living in a place that tolerates muslim clerics preaching jihad against its own nation, raising funds, recruiting kids to fight etc.

Ok sheep :1orglaugh

Scott McD 03-11-2009 10:32 AM

Blazed are you muslim ??

WarChild 03-11-2009 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Zester (Post 15611801)
it will never happen because arabs are silently multiplying and becoming a majority in all the democratic countries in Europe.
then - all they have to do is vote.

Europe will be Islamic soon, you can't stop it - understand it, accept it, make the best of it.

You have to understand that Muslims as a group are some of the least advanced peoples in the entire World, behind only maybe Africans.

To put it in perspective, a Roman legion from 2000+ years ago could stomp most modern Muslim countries, without even using modern weapons. A Roman legion most certainly had better engineering skills too. :2 cents:

BradM 03-11-2009 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott McD (Post 15613107)
Blazed are you muslim ??

Yea he has to be.

Antonio 03-11-2009 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 15609723)
The soldiers are doing thier jobs even if it is an unjust war...

That didn't fly too well during the Nuremberg trials, the Nazi soldiers that were only "following orders" weren't let off the hook, it's no different now. The British/US soldiers had their choice - either kill innocent people or refuse to follow orders and go to jail, the Nazis werent so lucky - back then it was either follow orders or get shot.





ps I'm simply trying to start a WW3, let see if it works

WarChild 03-11-2009 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonio (Post 15613152)
That didn't fly too well during the Nuremberg trials, the Nazi soldiers that were only "following orders" weren't let off the hook, it's no different now. The British/US soldiers had their choice - either kill innocent people or refuse to follow orders and go to jail, the Nazis werent so lucky - back then it was either follow orders or get shot.





ps I'm simply trying to start a WW3, let see if it works

Yes but were Nazi soldiers ever charged simply for being Nazi soldiers? I'm pretty sure the people that were charged with war crimes were charged for more than just fighting in the German army. :2 cents:

Blazed 03-11-2009 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott McD (Post 15613107)
Blazed are you muslim ??

Ive never had a single problem with anybody muslim so im not going to hate a whole group based on the minority which are extremists. These same extremists exist in every other race and religion.

I can see why a lot of Americans are ignorant over muslims its possible to live in America and never see a muslim in your life, its not here we mix with them and loads of other religions every day. Im going to a bar to watch Arsenal vs Roma in a few minutes and there will be muslims there, having a few drinks and watching the match just like everybody else, why should i hate these people just because they are muslim. And yes lots of muslims drink alcohol just like 90% of christians dont go to the church.

Scott McD 03-11-2009 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Blazed (Post 15613284)
Im going to a bar to watch Arsenal vs Roma in a few minutes and there will be muslims there, having a few drinks and watching the match just like everybody else, why should i hate these people just because they are muslim. And yes lots of muslims drink alcohol just like 90% of christians dont go to the church.

You shouldn't, but you choose to ignore facts and try to give some facts and statistics of your own.

It's not about hating every damn muslim in the country, it's about dealing with the ones who are taking money off us while hoping we all die in the process. In our own country.

Part of Britains problem is that people can't actually see the direction this place is going.
"hey i hang out with some muslims and they are cool so what up ??"

I just wonder what it will be like in the next 20 years or so.


Enjoy the game...

Twistys Tim 03-11-2009 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 15613112)
You have to understand that Muslims as a group are some of the least advanced peoples in the entire World, behind only maybe Africans.

To put it in perspective, a Roman legion from 2000+ years ago could stomp most modern Muslim countries, without even using modern weapons. A Roman legion most certainly had better engineering skills too. :2 cents:

Not sure if I agree with you there. America (arguably the most militarily advanced nation in the world today) has had it's ass handed to it in Somalia (poorest African / Muslim nation), Afghanistan (poorest Muslim nation), and Iraq (very poor Muslim nation). I am not sure how a legion of Romans would deal with so many AK47s & RPGs...?

cykoe6 03-11-2009 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott McD (Post 15612822)
Over here, preachers of hate get given police protection. The whole situation is our governments fault to be honest. Police are helpless as they only follow government orders.

No wonder the BNP is gaining more popularity each year...

What is happening in the UK is beyond a disgrace. The government and the police sit idly by as the Islamists subvert and destroy British society (while living on government assistance). If anyone dares speak out against it they are arrested for "hate crimes". The people in the UK need to rise up and make themselves heard. After we see some mosques burn and some minarets fall then we can see who is talking loudest. If you fear the Islamists they will destroy you. They only understand force so they need to be on the receiving end of some in the UK before it is too late. :2 cents:

scottybuzz 03-11-2009 04:54 PM

Hmm its a toughy issue for sure. Very delicate. If you start kicking them out then you can say goodbye to 90% of doctors in the UK to and we don't want that.

blazin 03-11-2009 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 15615209)
What is happening in the UK is beyond a disgrace. The government and the police sit idly by as the Islamists subvert and destroy British society (while living on government assistance). If anyone dares speak out against it they are arrested for "hate crimes". The people in the UK need to rise up and make themselves heard. After we see some mosques burn and some minarets fall then we can see who is talking loudest. If you fear the Islamists they will destroy you. They only understand force so they need to be on the receiving end of some in the UK before it is too late. :2 cents:

wow....those are some fascist views.. :helpme

When should the ethnic cleansing begin.

Cherry7 03-11-2009 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by roly (Post 15611589)
but those country's didn't want to be in our empire so we left, so then they don't become equal subjects just immigrants that don't want to integrate. chinese, indians afro-caribbeans all integrate but muslim extremists don't and they despise our way of life, so the simple answer is don't come in the first place.

Yes but why do they come ? Because the want to our because American Power and the neo liberal agenda wants and creates free movement of Capital and Labour.

Who created muslim extremists ? The USA to fight the Soviet Union.

Are the Muslim countries the ones invading ? No it is the western powers that have expanded, dominated and invaded contries for the last 100 or so years to project their power and protect their markets.

I support the solders who REFUSE to fight in illegal wars. There were many brave American who refused to fight in Vietnam (remember you call the Vietnamese Gooks ?)

How do you think a German soldier should have been welcomed home ?

Just because the US and UK have power does not what they are doing right, or what their solders did.

If you are a soldier and you are not fighting in your own country you are most likely in the wrong. The only just war is defending you country not invading others (what ever lies you have been told.)

I am not a Muslim but their beliefs are no more mad than Bush Blair, or the 50% of American who believe in Angels.

_Richard_ 03-11-2009 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 15615209)
What is happening in the UK is beyond a disgrace. The government and the police sit idly by as the Islamists subvert and destroy British society (while living on government assistance). If anyone dares speak out against it they are arrested for "hate crimes". The people in the UK need to rise up and make themselves heard. After we see some mosques burn and some minarets fall then we can see who is talking loudest. If you fear the Islamists they will destroy you. They only understand force so they need to be on the receiving end of some in the UK before it is too late. :2 cents:

there is a whole 'star wars' movie that's based on the link of 'anger, hatred, and fear' coexisting as one.

You could say that a desire to 'purify' europe of diversity 'has never been done', but, we have a history of examples on why this simply doesn't work.

we're all smart people here.. i can only assume that a desire to 'purify' a people may be in fact due to something else entirely within a personality.

David! 03-11-2009 06:35 PM

Are you surprised?

cykoe6 03-11-2009 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by blazin (Post 15615634)
wow....those are some fascist views.. :helpme

Thanks. I do my best.

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Originally Posted by blazin (Post 15615634)
When should the ethnic cleansing begin.

I was not not aware that being a radical Islamist was related to ethnicity.

cykoe6 03-11-2009 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SBR Richard (Post 15615852)
there is a whole 'star wars' movie that's based on the link of 'anger, hatred, and fear' coexisting as one.

I personally always try to rely on movies for my philosophical foundations.

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Originally Posted by SBR Richard (Post 15615852)
You could say that a desire to 'purify' europe of diversity 'has never been done', but, we have a history of examples on why this simply doesn't work.

we're all smart people here.. i can only assume that a desire to 'purify' a people may be in fact due to something else entirely within a personality.

I don't recall using the term "purify" or saying "diversity" needs to be eliminated in Europe. The natural desire to defend yourself, your family and your country from a totalitarian ideology that is sworn to your destruction and openly calls for your extermination used to be called "survival instinct." I realize nowadays self defense against an intractable enemy is considered passe and downright rude....... but there are a few of us die hard fascists left I guess. :disgust

_Richard_ 03-12-2009 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 15615891)
I personally always try to rely on movies for my philosophical foundations.

i hope that's sarcasm.. i was referring to the fact it's such a commonly understood connection that they make movies surrounding the fact.

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 15615891)
I don't recall using the term "purify" or saying "diversity" needs to be eliminated in Europe. The natural desire to defend yourself, your family and your country from a totalitarian ideology that is sworn to your destruction and openly calls for your extermination used to be called "survival instinct." I realize nowadays self defense against an intractable enemy is considered passe and downright rude....... but there are a few of us die hard fascists left I guess. :disgust

that same reasoning has been used for a long time, directed at many groups of people including some that your very own culture is probably assimilated with now. You don't have to say anything but 'get the muslims outta here' for you to say you don't believe in diversity, and would like to purify that area of Muslims. you think you're suddenly going to be perfectly fine when all the muslims are gone? or just latch on to the next offensive group?

a lot of our families went to great lengths to make sure there was few fascists left.

Stephen McTowelie 03-12-2009 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 15615891)
I personally always try to rely on movies for my philosophical foundations.



I don't recall using the term "purify" or saying "diversity" needs to be eliminated in Europe. The natural desire to defend yourself, your family and your country from a totalitarian ideology that is sworn to your destruction and openly calls for your extermination used to be called "survival instinct." I realize nowadays self defense against an intractable enemy is considered passe and downright rude....... but there are a few of us die hard fascists left I guess. :disgust

Hmmm
Nothing Nazi sounding about that at all !
Your calling for the mosques to be burnt down for fuck sakes man read what your writting no one can actually be as stupid as you can they ?

By the way I was at the March in watford yesterday and it was really good full of cheering people of all ethnicities from Watford!

The main thing about the Luton protests is that
A: Luton is a shit hole which no one would ever want to goto or live.
B. There were only a hand full of anti war protester there and the few who were had bacon thrown at them :1orglaugh by the supporters (they were the ones who got arrested incidently.

Also please dont compare the allied troops with the Nazi troops of ww2 look up ww2 in a history book first and look what they did to civilians and soldiers alike and you will see that Afghanistan still looks like minor tiff.

cykoe6 03-12-2009 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SBR Richard (Post 15618562)
that same reasoning has been used for a long time, directed at many groups of people including some that your very own culture is probably assimilated with now. You don't have to say anything but 'get the muslims outta here' for you to say you don't believe in diversity, and would like to purify that area of Muslims. you think you're suddenly going to be perfectly fine when all the muslims are gone? or just latch on to the next offensive group?

a lot of our families went to great lengths to make sure there was few fascists left.

I did not say "get the Muslims out of here." Your strawman arguments do not advance the conversation. I said the people need to rise up against "radical Islamists." They are the ones preaching hate against the "infidels" and calling for violent jihad. It is not that hard to figure out who they are since they scream their vicious ideology as loud as possible at every opportunity. I would guess there are plenty of normal Muslims who feel the same way I do about these psychopaths.

_Richard_ 03-12-2009 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 15618669)
I did not say "get the Muslims out of here." Your strawman arguments do not advance the conversation. I said the people need to rise up against "radical Islamists." They are the ones preaching hate against the "infidels" and calling for violent jihad. It is not that hard to figure out who they are since they scream their vicious ideology as loud as possible at every opportunity. I would guess there are plenty of normal Muslims who feel the same way I do about these psychopaths.

i must have read this wrong then:

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 15615209)
What is happening in the UK is beyond a disgrace. The government and the police sit idly by as the Islamists subvert and destroy British society (while living on government assistance). If anyone dares speak out against it they are arrested for "hate crimes". The people in the UK need to rise up and make themselves heard. After we see some mosques burn and some minarets fall then we can see who is talking loudest. If you fear the Islamists they will destroy you. They only understand force so they need to be on the receiving end of some in the UK before it is too late. :2 cents:

my apologies.

cykoe6 03-12-2009 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen McTowelie (Post 15618624)
Also please dont compare the allied troops with the Nazi troops of ww2 look up ww2 in a history book first and look what they did to civilians and soldiers alike and you will see that Afghanistan still looks like minor tiff.

I never compared the Allied troops to Nazi troops. I never mentioned anything about the Allies or the Nazis or WWII. Perhaps you should learn how to read and write coherently before you start posting your idiotic nonsense. :2 cents:

Scott McD 03-12-2009 10:56 AM

The dude on the right of this picture is actually a baggage handler at one of our airports. :disgust

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/...95_468x296.jpg


He was actually quizzed by police a while back because he was caught taking pictures of airplanes. When asked why he says he "liked planes". He was asked no further questions.

When i travel to America the past few years, we actually get more questions aimed at us as if we are potential bombers. It's fucking sick... :disgust

Twistys Tim 03-12-2009 11:15 AM

Tough one this is.

A country elects to fight a war to bring freedom, and democracy to a part of the world at the barrel of a gun -- but when people use the same freedoms and democratic rights in the home country they are vilified.

Do not get me wrong -- I have a very deep dislike of virtually all religions. But you cannot fight for freedom and then get pissed off when people exercise those freedoms.


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