I can assure you that you are incorrect to assume that "everyone" is fine with those laws, just as you are incorrect to suggest that there is free speech as long as you are not talking about the Holocaust.

im sure he said some stuff that they just said fuck it lock his ass up:2 cents: im sure he gets a beating before bedtime :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

first of all: read my second sentence, i said "everyone, but.."

second: i didn't know that you are a german free speech expert. please let me know what else but the denial of the holocaust is not allowed.

and please no other 3rd Reich/Hitler/Nazi examples like wearing the swastika in public or putting up the nazi flag - that all falls under one law

You said: "everyone is fine with these laws and supports them. just not those for whose these laws were made - which is fine too. really - you can say whatever you want. out in the street or publish it in magazines, TV or books - you are free. just for historic reasons - and to prevent something like this happening again - it is considered a crime to deny that the holocaust and the killing of 6 million jews, homosexuals, gypsis and nazi opposers has happened. we don't want that here."

Please show me the word "but" anywhere in the paragraph


Something must be lost in the translation.

Free speech: I say the Holocaust did not happen and people argue with me.
Not free speech: I say the Holocaust did not happen and I am arrested.

That help?

This is a good thread for all the people who say negative stuff about the US, and im jewish, so I obviously can give two shits about david duke.

you know perfectly well in both cases what i mean - as i also said it before already...

but i will clarify it for you if you like:

yes, there are people who do not like this law, mostly it's those people who are affected by it. if it makes it better for you i will say: the majority of the people do support it. i have yet to find someone in my personal circle who would say he is against it, but i don't hang around with nazis so maybe my views are limited

and second: we do have free speech and you will not tell me anything else. i live here, it's my country. and the one case that limits the freedom of speech is because of our special history. and that will not change. be happy about it, it's been the americans who brought us freedom and democracy. and free speech. :thumbsup :winkwink:

a piece of legislation in the USA has something to do with the Czech Republic, their laws and them enforcing their laws?

... and no one had time to read it?

really? its a piece of legislation, the bulk of which was created by Clinton and that was already over a decade old.

No it was in reference to what seems to be your idea of how laws are passed in a democracy... They are often time imposed on the people and are not necessarily done "in accordance to their own cultural tastes and needs" ....


By the look of this below, I would doubt that this answer the tastes and needs of the czech people... lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_ag...locaust_denial

Czech Republic Law Against Support and Dissemination of Movements Oppressing Human Rights and Freedoms (2001)

§ 260 (1) The person who supports or spreads movements oppressing human rights and freedoms or declares national, race, religious or class hatred or hatred against other group of persons will be punished by prison from 1 to 5 years. (2) The person will be imprisoned from 3 to 8 years if: a) he/she commits the crime mentioned in paragraph (1) in print, film, radio, television or other similarly effective manner, b) he/she commits the crime as a member of an organized group c) he/she commits the crime in a state of national emergency or state of war

§ 261 The person who publicly declares sympathies with such a movement mentioned in § 260, will be punished by prison from 6 months to 3 years.

§ 261a The person who publicly denies, puts in doubt, approves or tries to justify nazi or communist genocide or other crimes of nazis or communists will be punished by prison of 6 months to 3 years.

damn that sounds good:thumbsup

Pretty much all the countries that were a part of the third Reich at some point of the World War II (not including Israel :))

Switzerland probably had to pass this because of all that Jewish gold.

Slovakia, Germany, Austria were Nazist, so they probably had to pass something like this so they don't get accused from re enforcing history.

That's why http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidice

Where can I find a country where it's law that I get to ride the leader's wife? LOL

Many do that as a hobby

It's really just a particular law that was passed in the countries that used to be a part of the Third Reich and that find it very painful to see neo nazi stuff going on.

Of course It's kind of dangerous, because, theoretically, if I wave my right hand too fast and too high, it's enough to get convinced of "propagation of nazism" (I'm serious).

But it really is just this one, extremely specific law, you would have a very, very hard time to find ANY other example that could conflict with free speech principles.

Thought police indeed. The Israeli lobby hard at work. A quote comes to mind "While I may not agree with what you are saying..."

It isn't like we have free speech here in the U.S. over the last few years either.
For instance all the crazy ass muslim shit. Well, we here in the U.S. all seem to agree that they are extreme and have lost their fucking minds. BUT...we are NOT allowed to hear what they have to say or read any of the radical writings. And when I say "allowed" I mean that if you do and openly discuss any of it...the FBI will kick your door in and then use the stuff you read as "evidence" against you.

In other words "WORDS" themselves and the thoughts behind them are very censored here in the U.S. To me it's shocking. But I have read quotes from different govt. officials (trying to justify impounding peoples laptops at airports) that said that propaganda that could be contained on those laptops was potentially more dangerous than any threat we have ever faced.

WTF?!?!?!?! Okay...the govt. has to tell us what we are allowed to watch. What kind of drugs we can legally use for partying. What we can and can't do with our own bodies. What we can listen to. And now what we can read and THINK.

My thought is our govt. is both power hungry and incredibly paranoid all at the same time.

But I could be wrong...we're only trying to build a wall across the southern border (wasn't it only 20 years ago that Pres. Reagan told Gorbachev to "Tear down this wall") to stop Mexican people from crossing. :( Of course people have pretty much freely crossed that border since BEFORE our country existed. But now suddenly it's a problem. Any minute now a half dozen Arabs could just come walking across and go apeshit.

Or maybe we need to close the border to stop the evil drug wars. Oops! I forgot...WE are the ones who made all these drugs illegal in the first place and then pressured all the countries who grow them into making them illegal too. Thus creating the drug cartels. (The EXACT same stupid shit we did with Prohibition)

Eh...maybe, just maybe if our govt. would leave people the fuck alone and quit trying to be everybodies mommy and daddy a lot of these problems wouldn't exist.

I know that I envy the people in Amsterdam. I never felt so free in my life as I did there.