and these are just national topics. he has also made some important steps internationally. like talking Turkey into accepting Rasmussen as NATO secretary.

it's really weird, Bush had several years to fuck everything up and rarely someone got upset about it. but just imagine what would happen now if something like 9/11 would happen again and Obama would sit there and read children books.


edit: 50 :glugglug

i hear this alot and no doubt the sideshow that American politics has become has made some good people to decide to take a pass on running for the presidency.

BUT............ in reality, nothing has changed, candidates are coming from the same backgrounds they have always come from with the same accomplishments - governors, senators, the house of representatives. what was John Kennedy before he ran? Nothing more than Barack Obama - other than he served during a war. How is John McCain not as good a candidate at the time he ran as Ronald Reagan or George Bush Sr when they ran.

obama is doing his thing im proud

I don't care if he's a bald guy from germany, he can still discuss American politics. So let's stick to the topic.

He wouldn't sit there and read, he would get on television and apologize that we have forced the poor muslim world into attacking our civilians.

yes. at the very least he would not have handed over the entire auto industry to the unions.

well, that is indeed a huge mistake that will come back to haunt him. having unions run a company will either destroy the union or the company. or both

Yea...... it is hard to imagine how someone else could have done worse. Nationalizing the auto industry and a large part of the banking industry all in 100 days. Combined with trillions in budget deficits, runaway spending, socialized heath care and massive cap-and-trade taxes he may single handily manage to destroy the country in under 6 months. I would guess you could not easily find someone who could have done any more damage than he has (and plans to). :disgust

Wait till the feminists tell him to get his hands in the porn industry :2 cents:

u should learn from Ukraine, we had no big choice back in 2004 that made us choose democracy and what, we are in deep shit anyway :)

while i don't neccesarily like the idea of giving equity to the retirees of chrysler, it's not accurate to say he handed over the entire auto industry to the unions.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...3ZQ&refer=home

and i won't be arguing with you on this, so please, no need to reply.

i am simply setting the record straight with a report from a respectable source.

I understand why you're easily confused. It takes more thought to understand it than just grabbing the first quote you come across.
but I don't mind teaching people who want to "set the record straight"
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...wnership_N.htm
"""The United Auto Workers union will own 55% of a restructured Chrysler LLC and its retiree health care trust will get a seat on the board if union members vote to approve contract concessions this week."""

Thats controlling interest for those of you setting the record straight.

"""The deal likely will serve as the template for a pact with General Motors Corp."""

so 2 of the big three will be owned by the unions.

question for those of you looking to set the record straight:
what happens when its time for Ford to negotiate the next contract with the UAW? you know, the UAW who is no longer just Ford's labor force but is now also its biggest (and larger) competitor?


but hey, thanks for setting the record straight.:thumbsup
no need to reply. it takes thought, not the ability to cut and paste, to have a conversation.

putting your sanctimonious comments aside, your post is a duplicate of mine, including the cut&paste.

but more importantly, i did set the record straight, obama has not

ya know Ron, when i had dinner with you (and a few others) several years ago in las vegas, you were very nice in person. yet your board persona is quite the high schoolish keyboard warrior. makes me wonder which one of you is real- because if the one we had dinner with is the real one, this side of you makes you come across cowardly in person.

either way, good luck to you.

He would have sold out to "da man" just as well...

Wow the whole 100 days hes been in office. What did Bush do in 8 years?

ya know {input name here}, when I bought you dinner (and a few others) several years ago in vegas, you weren't trying to "set me straight" about things that were over your head so I'm sure I was my perfectly polite hosting self. yet your board persona is quite the high schoolish keyboard warrior so it makes me wonder who you are because I generally have intelligent people to dinner, not cowards.
either way, good luck to you.

The funny thing about people who are against unions is that they have never belonged to one. The UAW has done alot for my extended family and I have alot of aunts and uncles that retired from Chrysler, Ford or GM. If you ask one of them what they think they will tell you that the union is the best thing that ever happened to them. :2 cents:

I don't think anyone is arguing that they're great for the workers... thing is that they're doom for the companies. :2 cents:

I feel that back in the day unions were good for the working person. But now I am not so sure about that..And yes I have been in a few unions...

now they're better for the non-working person :winkwink:

Actually, I was a union member (CWA) for [approximately] 25 years and quite active. By the time I retired I had had my fill of unions and felt that they are only beneficial to lazy people that have a lot of seniority.

I could see that :)


My Dad worked at Chrysler as a management and got forced out by the union because he busted 2 guys smoking pot in the hallway and had them escorted from the plant grounds... the next day they broke all of the windows in his car and slashed all of the tires. The plant put him on permanent layoff after that.