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BlackCrayon 05-01-2009 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 15806367)
Hummmm... I pay US income taxes on my earnings. I have an investment portfolio with mostly US based assets. I own real estate in the US. I am registered to vote in the US. My family lives there and is economically effected by political decisions (as am I). I have a US passport and am a US citizen. As I have no citizenship or permanent residency in any other country the state of things in the US is important to me as it is my permanent residence. It seems like I have as much as right to an opinion on political matters as anyone else. :2 cents:

why do you choose to live in latvia or where ever you are..just curious.

StuartD 05-01-2009 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 15806379)
Thank you, and just to be fair, the same can be said in reverse. I'm just using current events as examples.
It all depends on which 'wing' is in the President's seat at the time.

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 15806656)
Not too difficult to see where your sympathies lie.

Especially if you don't read the rest of the thread before replying, huh? :glugglug

pornguy 05-01-2009 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SBR Richard (Post 15806063)
you should read about the korean war, and why that ended in a stalemate, and why the american military begged the gov to use up to 52 nuclear bombs

countless people with grenades will eventually get through anything

Only when the leaders of the opposing military are unwilling to respond with the same sort of tactics.

thaifan99 05-01-2009 07:02 AM

make a list of Obamas achievements in office.

StuartD 05-01-2009 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by thaifan99 (Post 15807605)
make a list of Obamas achievements in office.

In the first 100 days? Sure, but you have to be certain to compare them with past president's achievements in their first 100 days.

Sausage 05-01-2009 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 15806703)
No Mccain/Palin leadership would have been WAAAAAAAAAAAAY different. No doubt our country would fall into the abyss with their jelly spines to the religous right and eratic behavoir. They are not competant enough to lead in crunch time. Just look what happened when he tried to stop the campaign in the middle. LOL. the guy cant keep his cool under stress. Somthing Obama kills him in. We wont even go into critical thinking skills, speaking skills, or any skills for that matter. Mccain is just a spoiled rich boy who happened to crash his plane alot.

Both are fiscally liberal, but Mccain is social conservative and obama is social liberal. Any adult webmaster who pines for a mccain/palin leadership has no right being a webmaster. To stick with one party just because they call themselves republican makes you a tard in my book.

No offense but you have no rights, no influence, no vote and no chance to make any difference. All you Americans are scared of your government, and rightly so. The republicans were bad, and sorry to say it but your new overlords are just as bad. You have exchanged one pack of criminals for another and you are all gushing about it.

Its pathetic to watch. You are such stupid people .. so easily manipulated and so easily led. You almost deserve the prison you have unwittingly built yourselves.

dyna mo 05-01-2009 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by thaifan99 (Post 15807605)
make a list of Obamas achievements in office.

no problem, here's just 10, there are many more

1. Health Care: The Obama White House cleared an important hurdle in the health care reform debate when it appropriated $19 billion in the stimulus package to help implement an electronic medical record system. The money is paltry compared to the hundreds of billions set aside for an overhaul of the health care system in the budget. But officials inside and out of the White House say its significance is hard to overstate.

"We need to have health IT so we have a better idea both of what works but also... so people can share information," Zeke Emanuel, Obama's health care adviser told the Huffington Post in mid-March. "We are on our way in a way that we have never committed ourselves before."

2. Communications: A presidential campaign built on innovative messaging and advanced technology has, naturally, become a White House defined by similar characteristics. As such, the reach of the administration's new media efforts - from hosting online question-and-answer sessions with the president to publishing the first White House blog - has been as expected as appreciated. It's unfortunate, said one tech savvy Democrat, because the new policies have had tangible impacts. "The White House streams every event with the president on its website, even press events," he said. "It's remarkable because, this Sunday they held a swine flu press conference that ordinary people [including many who may have been personally nervous about the topic] were able to watch online... Before you had to wait for a readout or hope that CSPAN would cover it. This is one of those things that people don't quite understand the significance of."

3. Transportation: Since the passage of the economic stimulus package in mid-February, the Obama Department of Transportation has approved 2,500 highway projects. The movement of stimulus money out the door has been as swift as it has been effective: $9.3 billion has been spent in all 50 states. Touting its impact, DOT officials say 260,000 jobs are expected from this investment. And with competition for contracts fierce, the department is set to approve even more projects than previously envisioned. "There will be more money for additional transportation projects," said the official.

4. Education: Maligned for its handling of the financial and banking crises, the Obama Treasury Department has nevertheless implemented policies with real qualitative and quantitative impact on debt-burdened families. Chief among those was a $2,500 tax credit to help offset the cost of tuition (among other expenses) for those seeking a college education. Nearly five million families are expected to save $9 billion, according to Treasury officials.

5. Cars: The automobile industry at the White House and Congress's behest has undergone seismic structural changes, managerial reorganization, and massive cuts in employment. But for all the tough love, the president has put in place the framework for an industry recovery. Perhaps the most significant of steps was to allocate $2 billion in stimulus cash for advanced batteries systems. One high-ranking Hill aide called battery technology "the next big frontier" in the automotive world, adding that if the U.S. could dominate this market it would reclaim its perch as the world's premier car manufacturer.

6. Pakistan: Cognizant of a destabilizing situation in Pakistan, the administration's diplomatic team, with a major assist from Japan, secured $5 billion in aid commitments "to bolster the country's economy and help it fight terror and Islamic radicalism" within the country. The money, as Pakistan observers -- notably Senate Foreign Relations Chairman John Kerry - note, will prove instrumental in bringing the nation away from the brink of failure and increased Taliban control.

7. Cities: More than any prior president, Obama has put a spotlight on America's struggling cities, even creating an office of Urban Policy in the White House. It is the Justice Department, however, that lays claim to one of the most consequential of urban affairs achievements. Through the Recovery Act, DOJ secured $2 billion for Byrne Grants, which funds anti-gang and anti-gun task forces. The money, cut during the Bush years, is expected to have massive ramifications on inner-city crime and violence.

8. Engaging the Muslim World: While certainly discussed, foreign affairs experts insist that Obama's engagement with the Muslim world has been at once remarkable and under-appreciated. From the first interview with Al Arabiya to his Nowruz address to the Iranian people, to his proclamation that "American is not at war with Islam" during an appearance in Turkey, seasoned observers have been routinely impressed. "Through these [statements and interviews]," said one Democratic foreign policy hand, "He has been able to dramatically change America's image in that region."

9. Forests: Since taking office, the White House has put under federal protection more than two million acres of wilderness, thousands of miles of river and a host of national trails and parks. The conservation effort - the largest in the last 15 years - came with the stroke of a pen when Obama signed the Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009 in late March.

10. Tone: Leaving a meeting at the White House on Tuesday a progressive member of the House of Representatives commented to the Huffington Post just how impressed she was with the president's manner. "He is so calm," said the member, "and has a great ability to make you feel like you're being respected and listened to."

StuartD 05-01-2009 07:37 AM

Don't forget Gitmo, the whole torture investigation going on, over turning several Bush laws including abortion...

Joshua G 05-01-2009 07:43 AM

i think the stock market would be at 4000 & falling if mccain was POTUS right now.

Bjorn Andersen 05-01-2009 07:54 AM

Obama rocks, while maccain is just an old fart

MaDalton 05-01-2009 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 15807682)
no problem, here's just 10, there are many more

...

and these are just national topics. he has also made some important steps internationally. like talking Turkey into accepting Rasmussen as NATO secretary.

it's really weird, Bush had several years to fuck everything up and rarely someone got upset about it. but just imagine what would happen now if something like 9/11 would happen again and Obama would sit there and read children books.


edit: 50 :glugglug

Mutt 05-01-2009 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CIVMatt (Post 15806088)
here's the problem, they were both shitty choices...

American politics has reached a point where the really good choices for President have openly said they have no intention of running because of the bullshit media sideshow that goes along with it

i hear this alot and no doubt the sideshow that American politics has become has made some good people to decide to take a pass on running for the presidency.

BUT............ in reality, nothing has changed, candidates are coming from the same backgrounds they have always come from with the same accomplishments - governors, senators, the house of representatives. what was John Kennedy before he ran? Nothing more than Barack Obama - other than he served during a war. How is John McCain not as good a candidate at the time he ran as Ronald Reagan or George Bush Sr when they ran.

brassmonkey 05-01-2009 09:03 AM

obama is doing his thing im proud

fatfoo 05-01-2009 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 15806036)
why the fuck do you care about a bald guy from germany?

I don't care if he's a bald guy from germany, he can still discuss American politics. So let's stick to the topic.

OldJeff 05-01-2009 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 15807793)
and these are just national topics. he has also made some important steps internationally. like talking Turkey into accepting Rasmussen as NATO secretary.

it's really weird, Bush had several years to fuck everything up and rarely someone got upset about it. but just imagine what would happen now if something like 9/11 would happen again and Obama would sit there and read children books.


edit: 50 :glugglug

He wouldn't sit there and read, he would get on television and apologize that we have forced the poor muslim world into attacking our civilians.

12clicks 05-01-2009 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 15806021)
well, do you?

cause that would have been the only alternative in the current situation. Would McCain have spent less money? would he let the banks, AIG and the car companies die? would he have already attacked Iran?

yes. at the very least he would not have handed over the entire auto industry to the unions.

MaDalton 05-01-2009 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 15808821)
yes. at the very least he would not have handed over the entire auto industry to the unions.

well, that is indeed a huge mistake that will come back to haunt him. having unions run a company will either destroy the union or the company. or both

cykoe6 05-01-2009 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 15808821)
yes. at the very least he would not have handed over the entire auto industry to the unions.

Yea...... it is hard to imagine how someone else could have done worse. Nationalizing the auto industry and a large part of the banking industry all in 100 days. Combined with trillions in budget deficits, runaway spending, socialized heath care and massive cap-and-trade taxes he may single handily manage to destroy the country in under 6 months. I would guess you could not easily find someone who could have done any more damage than he has (and plans to). :disgust

IllTestYourGirls 05-01-2009 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 15808854)
Yea...... it is hard to imagine how someone else could have done worse. Nationalizing the auto industry and a large part of the banking industry all in 100 days. Combined with trillions in budget deficits, runaway spending, socialized heath care and massive cap-and-trade taxes he may single handily manage to destroy the country in under 6 months. I would guess you could not easily find someone who could have done any more damage than he has (and plans to). :disgust

Wait till the feminists tell him to get his hands in the porn industry :2 cents:

Sid70 05-01-2009 11:47 AM

u should learn from Ukraine, we had no big choice back in 2004 that made us choose democracy and what, we are in deep shit anyway :)

dyna mo 05-01-2009 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 15808821)
yes. at the very least he would not have handed over the entire auto industry to the unions.

while i don't neccesarily like the idea of giving equity to the retirees of chrysler, it's not accurate to say he handed over the entire auto industry to the unions.

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May 1 (Bloomberg) -- The United Auto Workers? equity in Chrysler LLC is small comfort compared with the damage the automaker?s bankruptcy inflicted on the union?s bargaining power, labor analysts said.

UAW President Ron Gettelfinger said in a statement the union?s retiree health-care fund had accepted a 55 percent stake in Chrysler in return for cutting in half the automaker?s $10.6 billion cash obligation to the fund.

The UAW now has 26,800 members at Chrysler, one-fourth as many as in 1979. Its Chrysler equity could turn out to be worthless, leaving retirees with curtailed health insurance, if the company?s fortunes don?t turn around quickly, said Harley Shaiken, a labor analyst at the University of California at Berkeley.

?What?s at stake is auto being the pre-eminent industry generating middle-class jobs in the country,? Shaiken said. ?The union will have a tough fight in the future to make sure competitiveness results in high-wage jobs rather than coming at their expense.?

While the UAW gained representation on the Chrysler board through the agreement, its power will be limited because shares owned by the trust fund will be voted by independent trustees, Shaiken said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...3ZQ&refer=home

and i won't be arguing with you on this, so please, no need to reply.

i am simply setting the record straight with a report from a respectable source.

12clicks 05-01-2009 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 15808926)
while i don't neccesarily like the idea of giving equity to the retirees of chrysler, it's not accurate to say he handed over the entire auto industry to the unions.
..............

and i won't be arguing with you on this, so please, no need to reply.

i am simply setting the record straight with a report from a respectable source.

I understand why you're easily confused. It takes more thought to understand it than just grabbing the first quote you come across.
but I don't mind teaching people who want to "set the record straight"
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...wnership_N.htm
"""The United Auto Workers union will own 55% of a restructured Chrysler LLC and its retiree health care trust will get a seat on the board if union members vote to approve contract concessions this week."""

Thats controlling interest for those of you setting the record straight.

"""The deal likely will serve as the template for a pact with General Motors Corp."""

so 2 of the big three will be owned by the unions.

question for those of you looking to set the record straight:
what happens when its time for Ford to negotiate the next contract with the UAW? you know, the UAW who is no longer just Ford's labor force but is now also its biggest (and larger) competitor?


but hey, thanks for setting the record straight.:thumbsup
no need to reply. it takes thought, not the ability to cut and paste, to have a conversation.

dyna mo 05-01-2009 12:39 PM

putting your sanctimonious comments aside, your post is a duplicate of mine, including the cut&paste.

but more importantly, i did set the record straight, obama has not

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 15808821)
handed over the entire auto industry to the unions.

ya know Ron, when i had dinner with you (and a few others) several years ago in las vegas, you were very nice in person. yet your board persona is quite the high schoolish keyboard warrior. makes me wonder which one of you is real- because if the one we had dinner with is the real one, this side of you makes you come across cowardly in person.

either way, good luck to you.

Rangermoore 05-01-2009 12:41 PM

He would have sold out to "da man" just as well...

Bryan G 05-01-2009 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by thaifan99 (Post 15807605)
make a list of Obamas achievements in office.

Wow the whole 100 days hes been in office. What did Bush do in 8 years?

12clicks 05-01-2009 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 15809080)
putting your sanctimonious comments aside, your post is a duplicate of mine, including the cut&paste.

but more importantly, i did set the record straight, obama has not



ya know Ron, when i had dinner with you (and a few others) several years ago in las vegas, you were very nice in person. yet your board persona is quite the high schoolish keyboard warrior. makes me wonder which one of you is real- because if the one we had dinner with is the real one, this side of you makes you come across cowardly in person.

either way, good luck to you.

ya know {input name here}, when I bought you dinner (and a few others) several years ago in vegas, you weren't trying to "set me straight" about things that were over your head so I'm sure I was my perfectly polite hosting self. yet your board persona is quite the high schoolish keyboard warrior so it makes me wonder who you are because I generally have intelligent people to dinner, not cowards.
either way, good luck to you.

nation-x 05-01-2009 12:52 PM

The funny thing about people who are against unions is that they have never belonged to one. The UAW has done alot for my extended family and I have alot of aunts and uncles that retired from Chrysler, Ford or GM. If you ask one of them what they think they will tell you that the union is the best thing that ever happened to them. :2 cents:

StuartD 05-01-2009 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 15809134)
The funny thing about people who are against unions is that they have never belonged to one. The UAW has done alot for my extended family and I have alot of aunts and uncles that retired from Chrysler, Ford or GM. If you ask one of them what they think they will tell you that the union is the best thing that ever happened to them. :2 cents:

I don't think anyone is arguing that they're great for the workers... thing is that they're doom for the companies. :2 cents:

Rangermoore 05-01-2009 12:57 PM

I feel that back in the day unions were good for the working person. But now I am not so sure about that..And yes I have been in a few unions...

12clicks 05-01-2009 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rangermoore (Post 15809146)
I feel that back in the day unions were good for the working person. But now I am not so sure about that..And yes I have been in a few unions...

now they're better for the non-working person :winkwink:

baddog 05-01-2009 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 15809141)
I don't think anyone is arguing that they're great for the workers... thing is that they're doom for the companies. :2 cents:

Actually, I was a union member (CWA) for [approximately] 25 years and quite active. By the time I retired I had had my fill of unions and felt that they are only beneficial to lazy people that have a lot of seniority.

nation-x 05-01-2009 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 15809201)
Actually, I was a union member (CWA) for [approximately] 25 years and quite active. By the time I retired I had had my fill of unions and felt that they are only beneficial to lazy people that have a lot of seniority.

I could see that :)


My Dad worked at Chrysler as a management and got forced out by the union because he busted 2 guys smoking pot in the hallway and had them escorted from the plant grounds... the next day they broke all of the windows in his car and slashed all of the tires. The plant put him on permanent layoff after that.


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