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teomaxxx 06-09-2009 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15940168)
what you did or did not do and whatever short lived success you had "in the past" has zero to do with today. Google does update its algorithms you know. PageRank does shift between sites every time its recalculated. Pages win and lose every time they do the shuffle and everyone's pages and links that affect everyone else's pages and links gain and lose values which are redistributed across all adult sites (and technically, all web pages online).

you seem to have some misconceptions about search engines. "optimization" means little and the rules change when you have several hundred thousand pages to work with. you can't just take a PR 3 domain and change the page title to "porn" add some blurbs of text and sit back and wait.

and... i'm sitting here looking at their link networks, their paid links etc. i've been doing it for months. i know quite well what they are doing and to what extent. their domination of the SERP's is not an accident at all.... of course, no one is interested. no one really pays attention when they come here announcing they are buying links. no one has the slightest interest in investigating or calculating the potential benefit of those new hardlinks. its all summarily dismissed so 'piracy' can be blamed and not some degree of incompetence.

in the meantime, they are grabbing a bigger and bigger piece of the pie by effectively targeting the most searched adult phrases there are, by executing a painfully simple strategy, day in and day out and making headway on all fronts.

you could say its viral linking that made them rank well. why is redtube.com is rarely found in search results? they were among the first to explode! they still have huge traffic. your explanation dictates that they would be ranking for porn and sex and porn movies and would be at the top... success creates success and so on ... but they're not. why?

its like saying "steroids made him big" and forgetting dismissing or ignoring the intense workouts, the strict diet and carefully planned regimen... all adhered to with a consistent and fanatical discipline.

it just doesn't work like that. at best, steroids only amplify the effects of doing things right. they don't magically transform you without hard work.

no one is explaining why redtube.com is virtually nowhere in the SERP's for sex, porn, porn movies and similar phrase, although they have similar traffic and a longer history and were always claimed to be the first, original thieves and pornhub.com, tube8.com and keezmovies.com dominate.

"they steal, so i lose and its not my fault" seems to be easier to accept.

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?&w=40...eezmovies.com&
give me some site with 100k bookmarks and I can easily achive good results in google without much work and without being SEO genius. that was the point of my previous post.

its not really that hard as you report it, once you have a site, the surfers love. just re-read what Robbie wrote about his SEO position past back and about lack of his SEO skills.

Of course, there is some difference why Redtube ranks bad and Pornhub ranks well, but it doesnt take much time for anyone expirienced with SEO to repair/remake Redtube or to buy hardlinks, so it can rank better in Google.

btw. my postions for porn or free porn werent for short time, while my site wasnt any exceptional old style TGP with a lot of bookmarks

teomaxxx 06-09-2009 02:46 PM
[QUOTE=Robbie;15937159]You're right about that. But I'm not sure anybody is suggesting that at all. For instance, I specifically said that every paysite owner I spoke with to a man at Internext, Phoenix Forum, LA Webmaster Access, and XBiz Summer Forum....ALL reported big losses in revenue from piracy.
[QUOTE]

did you spoke to juggcash? :1orglaugh


would be interesting to know how is their bussines, if they are growing this year or not.
I dont know anybody doing well with them nowadays (1:2000 is rather good), but maybe they can make it up on higher volume.

harvey 06-09-2009 02:51 PM
Pleasurepays, I don't see anyone denying tube sites have heaps of traffic, don't know why you continue running in circles with the same song, nobody said it, nobody is denying it. Just in case, I think those that didn't know that already got the point: TUBE SITES HAVE HEAPS OF TRAFFIC

V_RocKs 06-09-2009 02:52 PM
We are in a recession...

If you are experiencing shitty numbers year to year keep in mind that 1 in 10 people are out of a job. OUT OF A JOB! So yeah, they might have decided to buy 15% less porn now than a year ago...

harvey 06-09-2009 02:54 PM
[QUOTE=teomaxxx;15941228][QUOTE=Robbie;15937159]You're right about that. But I'm not sure anybody is suggesting that at all. For instance, I specifically said that every paysite owner I spoke with to a man at Internext, Phoenix Forum, LA Webmaster Access, and XBiz Summer Forum....ALL reported big losses in revenue from piracy.
Quote:

did you spoke to juggcash? :1orglaugh


would be interesting to know how is their bussines, if they are growing this year or not.
I dont know anybody doing well with them nowadays (1:2000 is rather good), but maybe they can make it up on higher volume.
Juggcash conversions were always low, but I don't think they're suffering. They might not grow, or they might even shrink a little. So what? They still will make mad money.

greatscot 06-09-2009 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by kush (Post 15940777)
No shit! This info is great! Best thread I've seen in a long time.
I agree Sir . Most educational and big thanks to the
vastly experienced guys who have all contributed ...

G

maxjohan 06-09-2009 03:06 PM
Way too much credit too porn, it's like I opening up my new revolution telling I will blow away Wii's graphics and gameplay and when it's out it's more like the 8-bit nintendo with copy cat games of the Wii..

That's more like todays adult industry :upsidedow

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Originally Posted by Yngwie (Post 15935376)
With the crap that does come out it's like Nintendo believing that the Wii has revolutionized game playing, but it did nothing close to that. So just like most of the crap that comes out as "new" and it will "change the porn industry and make it better" is nothing more than porn's version of the Wii. All hype and nothing nore.

teomaxxx 06-09-2009 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by harvey (Post 15941256)

Juggcash conversions were always low, but I don't think they're suffering. They might not grow, or they might even shrink a little. So what? They still will make mad money.
at the beggining (2006) I was usually converting around 1:500 with a shitload of traffic as I was buying top spots on the biggest TGPs and now its something like 1:3000-4000.
my point was rather, if the traffic volume can recompensate the saturation ("as they have movies even on my dead gradmamma tube site")

maxjohan 06-09-2009 03:32 PM
Why bother having an arguement over this Industry when we know damn well we either have our plan laid out or game laid out or we don't.

The smart minded becomes weak when we try to prove a point to the weaker that can't see trees for woods.

discussions or "arguements" is not just to bother with around here or outside in real life, there's no need to bow down to irrational beings.

I get an idea of which ones on this board see things from a wider perspective than others by being a member here for 7 years I should at least have a feeling.

-- what I am saying is that we don't have to prove anything to other members, people/webmasters either know or they don't and if we don't know how to deal with crises or face the truth, we get what's coming for us.

And I'm not gonna cry over someone losing business if they can't get over the same stale old and try out new things, I bet most in adult haven't picked up a book on marketing during their life.

Only blame yourself. :2 cents:

Max

spanky27 06-09-2009 03:44 PM
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Pleasurepays 06-09-2009 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by harvey (Post 15941243)
Pleasurepays, I don't see anyone denying tube sites have heaps of traffic, don't know why you continue running in circles with the same song, nobody said it, nobody is denying it. Just in case, I think those that didn't know that already got the point: TUBE SITES HAVE HEAPS OF TRAFFIC
i think you are misreading things. everyone understands they have traffic. the argument is that they have tons of traffic BECAUSE they allow users to upload content/stolen content and support piracy.

my single point was that tube8, pornhub and keezmovies aren't taking over the most searched adult phrases and reigning in millions of search clicks a day because they allow users to upload videos or "because" of piracy. simply put... they are kicking everyone's ass in google. and if they did not allow users to upload videos, that would not change.

Pleasurepays 06-09-2009 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by teomaxxx (Post 15940971)
give me some site with 100k bookmarks and I can easily achive good results in google without much work and without being SEO genius. that was the point of my previous post.

its not really that hard as you report it, once you have a site, the surfers love. just re-read what Robbie wrote about his SEO position past back and about lack of his SEO skills.

Of course, there is some difference why Redtube ranks bad and Pornhub ranks well, but it doesnt take much time for anyone expirienced with SEO to repair/remake Redtube or to buy hardlinks, so it can rank better in Google.

btw. my postions for porn or free porn werent for short time, while my site wasnt any exceptional old style TGP with a lot of bookmarks
yeah right. everyone can do it.

its easy...

yet only a handful of people are and have built from the ground up... while all the sites that actually HAVE and had 100's of thousands of bookmarkers are totally plummeting in the SERP's and losing their traffic.

makes perfect sense ;)

ThumbLord 06-09-2009 04:53 PM
now read this in full, learn and act to this info.

Big Red Machine 06-09-2009 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty D (Post 15938121)
Wow a biz related post!

Great discussions in this thread.
I'd Hit It :winkwink:

teomaxxx 06-09-2009 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15941559)
yeah right. everyone can do it.

its easy...

yet only a handful of people are and have built from the ground up... while all the sites that actually HAVE and had 100's of thousands of bookmarkers are totally plummeting in the SERP's and losing their traffic.

makes perfect sense ;)
it looks like you didnt listen to me.
I did it from ground zero, without 100's of thousands of bookmarkers, after a lot of work. But the TGPs are now a thing of the past, I am sure I wouldnt be able to replicate it again with TGP.

So, the point is, every 100k and more bookmarked tube site can do it too, if owners know something about SEO and there is no need to look analyze their links, paid links and structure for months like you do:1orglaugh.
that shit should take you one day and half brain at most.

You wrote here about guys from Pornhub like they were the most smartest SEO gurus in the whole world :1orglaugh and we tried to explained to you, that its not soo...

discussion ended.

Pleasurepays 06-09-2009 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by teomaxxx (Post 15941659)

You wrote here about guys from Pornhub like they were the most smartest SEO gurus in the whole world :1orglaugh and we tried to explained to you, that its not soo...

discussion ended.
no... i said what they are doing is extremely simple and obvious and its happening right in front of everyone's faces while everyone prefers to blame extraneous factors rather than the obvious.... because the obvious truth is FAR less comforting to those who are floundering than "its just not my fault, i've done everything right"

of course you have all this skill and knowledge... and you would be equally successful "if only......."

but you aren't and judging from your misguided and flat out wrong remarks,... you won't be again without a significant change in perspective and a dedicated commitment to learning how a search engine actually works and what your competition is doing.

Robbie 06-09-2009 05:38 PM
teomaxx is one of my affiliates, and I can vouch that he is VERY good at seo. Painfully so matter of fact. :)

CarlosTheGaucho 06-11-2009 02:18 AM
I see the problem somewhere else.

Idiocy, scam and self destruction in online porn was always limited by technical boundaries.

Now it's not.

There's nothing limiting - bandwith is cheap enough to blow full movies, no legal boundaries, you can hide behind the DMCA if you download someone's entire member area and put it up for free to make a buck and no one's gonna stop you cause you can hide in places where it's tough to buy a hamburger, not yet to find a scammer.

Let's hypothetically say the guy from tube8 is making 90k a month net - just hypothetically.

How much traffic does he get daily - 2 millions / 4 millions uniques?

Say he's having 3 million people a day over there, so he's netting 3 k USD a day so he's making 1 USD per 1000 uniques that hit the site including pre pays?

And even lot of that is prepaid so it has nothing to do with the fact if it converts or not if it has any real value - talk about productivity - talk about a deadbeat.

What for a business model is this?


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