I think she elicits hate from people because she has a sense of entitelment that many members of the far reaches of both parities have. Both hyper-liberals and extreme-conservatives have this attitude like they are 100% correct and there is no room for discussion and they shouldn't be questioned about what they believe. She has that. Whenever you have that type of attitude you are asking for hatred from others. Another person that comes to mind in that category would be someone like Nancy Pelosi. She has her beliefs and she comes off as though anyone who doesn't agree with her is a true idiot.

She also loves to talk about "The Real America" or "The Rest of America" and that offends someone like me and a lot of other people. It comes off like if I don't agree with her than I am not a real American.

Bristol is also a minor.

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Actually she is 18, she turned 18 last October.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Palin

Yes, it very much is a double standard. The press completely ignored Chelsea Clinton (just as it should have). If Kathleen Sebelius were called a "slutty airline attendant" heads would roll and women's groups would march.

Palin and her children are targets because of their politics, and because the American Left is ruthless.

Palin is a true reformer, and Alaska is the better for it, and our country would be better with her in national office.

However, the whole Bristol Palin abstinence campaign is absurd. Yes, it is completely ridiculous that Bristol Palin is arguing for abstinence so soon on the heels of her teen pregnancy. She should have stayed home with her baby and kept her mouth shut.

The bottom line: Letterman was way out of line.

Well, she is close enough that the press could cut her some slack for another few years. She is still a kid for practical purposes.

So, Palin is a hypocrite because of birth control? Does Palin preach abstinence in public? Yes. Does Palin preach abstinence to her children and because of her religious beliefs hasn't put them on the pill? Yes. Tell me though how is Palin being a hypocrite? She does what she says and does what she believes, unless being a hypocrite has some new definition I'm not aware of. I never knew "hypocrite" meant having a policy difference with someone.

No doubt, Vendzilla, you influenced your daughter in positive ways (Happy Fathers Day next Sunday) but in the end the choices your daughter made were hers to make. Had your daughter made a poor choice in her life, it wouldn't have been a reflection on your parenting or your efforts. How many times have you seen in good families siblings being polar opposites from each other and they have the same parents? The reason that happens is kids are individuals and some will grow up and make stupid choices. Even the best parents in the world can have kids who turn out bad. A kid's poor choices should never label parents as automatically being hypocrites or them being poor parents!

This is the standard response a lot of people (mostly republican) are making. Here is my question: First, she has made herself into a public person. She has done dozens of interviews for TV and print. This right from the Wiki: "In 2009 she worked with the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy to ask teens to abstain from having sex." So if abstinence didn't work for her, but she is out preaching the virtues of it, should she not then be available for criticism?

Second, what age is appropriate? At 18 years old you are considered old enough to vote and decide what direction the country should take. You are old enough to choose to smoke if you wish. If you commit a crime you will be considered and tried for that crime as an adult. You are old enough to join the Army and fight (potentially die) for the country. You are old enough to be in charge of your own finances and if you screw up and run up a bunch of debt that you can't pay, they don't just say, "Well, she is only 18, close enough to still being a kid, we will let this one slide." So you are old enough for all of these things, yet not old enough to take criticism for something you have taken a public stance on? If not 18 then when?

If she had never taken any public stance I would agree with most people that she is off limits. She had limited control over the fact that her mom ran her out there like a dog and pony show during the election, but when the election was over she very well could have just asked for her privacy and gone back into obscurity. If that had been the case I would say she should be left alone and jokes about her should be off limits. But she chose to take a public stance and make herself into a public figure. If you are going to stand in front of people and tell them what you think they should do then you need to be ready for people who don' agree with you to voice that criticism.

I agree. I don't agree with much Palin says or does, but she is not a hypocrite. She is the genuine article. She preaches abstinence and when it didn't work, she didn't stop preaching it. She has her beliefs and she is sticking by them no matter what people say about her.

As for kids and their parent's influence...I don't have kids, but my brother and most of my friends do. You can only give your kid so much information, values, morals. Eventually they are going to make a choice to believe in them or not. Often times kids do exactly the opposite that you want them to because they want to rebel, it is natural for them to feel that. I know a few people who are ultra-religious and conservative and in both their cases their kids were hellions behind the backs. they smoked, drank, had sex and did everything they were told not to. In the end you can just give your kids information and hope they listen to it and use it when it comes to making decisions.

Most parents these days phone in their parenting, they don't have the time or just don't make the time to be a parent, people that are religious are usually the worse, they have no flexibility, others forgot what it was like when they were kids. I never did, maybe why I like cartoons still at my age. I read to my kid till she could read better than me at night at bedtime. I was always asking her what her thoughts were about something, making it so that her opinion mattered to me, and when it was something i had a problem with, I told her, because we discussed most things, it was easy. I still had strick rules, I met all her friends and told her why, I talked to the parents of her friends. I visited their house. I met all her teachers and helped get one fired. And god helped the idiots that harassed her on the way to school one day, I got a phone call, found the kids and well, they didn't bother anyone again. I just got $100 to the defensive tackle of the football team, told the kids he was on call and would beat the shit out of them if I call him for any reason!

Sigh....Another Canadian Peckerwood with a small pecker....Nobody believes your bullshit lil poindexter.

http://www.blackvaginafinder.com/coo...-your-shit.jpg

I was going to be more secretive when it came to my now 11 year old daughter...I was just going to have a kid or two on retainer to watch over her and another kid or two on retainer just to watch her and report back...

Your idea is more efficient and I will do something similar when the time comes.

Blah blah.

Many great parents have raised murders that actually killed them too.

Well said. :thumbsup

Let me know how it works

so were including what society would call insane?