after two years these threads are getting old.

good luck to you

at least you know theyll do more for another hit :thumbsup

True story: I decided to put all this talk about how great tube traffic is to the test. Wanted to see if a big tube can really send sales.

So I made myself a pornhub account. I used my claudia-marie.com email address and I uploaded 6 clips of claudia-marie that you can't find anywhere except in my members area (because I protect our shit). I made sure to watermark them in a way that they couldn't remove my watermark, I included the URL to Claudia-Marie's tour in the appropriate field as well AND I made sure to use my name.

Those guys know me and are affiliates of soloslutcash. So I wanted them to know it was me.

I waited a week and then got an email telling me the vids had been rejected and deleted.

Then when I tried to log in with my pornhub account...it doesn't exist anymore.

Then today I got an email from pornhub saying that they had noticed I was trying to ADVERTISE on them (that's what it means when you upload a vid that they can't un-watermark). The email states that they no longer do "free advertisement" and asked me to get in touch with them to buy advertising.

So in other words...I can PAY them to use MY vids to draw them traffic. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Gotta admit that's pretty ballsy.

You're the first person I've ever seen post how easy it is to win copyright lawsuits. If it's true and you will elaborate, I'm sure it would go a LONG way to cleaning up the internet.

More info please :)

Classic :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

Also if they don't allow user uploads wouldn't the dmca not protect them ?

feces, meet fan

its impossible to upload video to any tube site and get it listed
they upload all that shit themselves

and it be funny how them tubes charge sponsors to submit their exclusive content. here be redtubes:
Due to great demand for our video spots we are selling a limited number of
them on a monthly basis; recently the video spots sold at a rate of
USD15-20k for placement of 30 vids (i.e. 1 video per day for a month)
in blind auctions; Pls keep in mind that after that initial period the
videos will stay on and still generate business for you in the coming
months. If interested pls provide us with an ftp download link so our
video crew can check out the content (we also require copyright and
2257 docs).

I believe they DO allow user uploads. But as I said in my post...I purposefully watermarked these clips so they couldn't use zoom and cut it out. So they would have had to display the vid with a watermark identifying it as claudia-marie.com

Now if I decided to upload an unwatermarked or "nomally" watermarked vid that they could remove my watermark then they would without a doubt put it up.

The bad part is they are so zeroed in on having pornhub strictly be a traffic generator for their own stuff at brazzers or pre-paid "advertising" that they didn't even consider just putting their own SoloSlutCash link code on the vids and making sales.

Some people might think that's dumb...but it's actually smart on their part. Why send traffic anywhere except Brazzers? For what? A few sales? (If a tube can make them anyway) Nope, they are gonna make that pre-paid money and at the same time brand the hell out of Brazzers so that they never have to depend on affiliate traffic ever again. (that is if any of us have any traffic left anymore lol)

:winkwink:

A lot of programs are moving in this direction and openly admit to it at the shows.

Welcome to the internet, read the dmca or hire a lawyer to read it for you. They have no obligation to compensate you for it's distribution.

Hey Joe,

E-mail Corey Silverstein [email protected] and he'll hook you up with the proper templates to be using for DMCA, etc. The law and process is inadequate we can all agree but if it's your content that you want to have not illegally in use you have to follow the simple rule set and we can help you with your learning curve with that.

Outside of that, if anyone is giving you a hard time, Corey will assist as he is able to do with all MojoHost customers.

Cheers,

Brad

to the top :pimp

Its time for the laws to change. laws CAN be changed. I dont care what DCMA says. If someone has a video i can see by way of thier site , that has not recieved a license for, it should be copyright violation.

interesting, wouldn't zooming in and taking out watermarks completely toss out the DMCA ? I thought DMCA was used to basically say this is from a user, we don't touch it, we don't manipulate it. it's either there or on proof of copyright violation taken down?

seems to me this would change the whole argument? I'm not a DMCA expert by any means, but I thought it was like either Users upload with no supervision ( approval ) or if using approval or modifications, then requires proof of ownership?

Im truely amazed about some of the responses in here.

Yup, if they review it for approval before adding it to the site then they do not qualify for safe-harbor status.

A group of webmasters in the transsexual market, from multiple sites/companies including ours got together and hired a specific DMCA agent, who spends 40 hrs a week, surfing the tubes, the forums posting links to Rapidshare and other file sharing hosts and DMCA'ing them in mass.
It would be naive to think that the industry as a whole could do a similar thing, especially when I see all the crappy attitudes on this board but I would have thought some other niches, especially those that work on cross-promoting each other, could get together and do the same.
It saves you time and effort having to search them down yourself and most of our stuff, which is unique to the usual crappy licensed shemale content most of the sites have, off the tubes most of the time.

Food for thought people, if our niche can do it, so can yours.
If you are a TS producer/website and want part of this, email me at [email protected] with your details and site details. We're in our 5 month doing it.

this is sad

What a douchebag he is. Good luck Joe, those guys are full of shit.

You know, the ambitious lawyer could do a Fistfull of Dollars on this place....

Have you ever posted a youtube embed or a random funny picture on GFY or any other board? Should that be a copyright violation? Should GFY license all these fail pics which are posted every day?

That is correct.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

QFT :2 cents:

If pornhub/brazzers/keez follows the law, they are legal.... it's that simple...

scrapping is legal under the cache exemption
no one from inside the company has to "upload" movies to start.

i really suggest you look at the law again, it not that cut and dry
if it were the act of stopping kiddie porn would making shutting down these tube sites easy as one court order.

youtube did not lose the safe harbor provision because they stopped nudity from being shown on their site.
you can have screening rules and still be protected by the safe harbor provision
just because youtube can hire some 6/day grunts to look for naughty bits in the video doesn't mean they can screen for copyright/fair use. only $300/hour lawyer would have the skill to tell the difference between fair use and infringing use of copyrighted material (hell given the number of bogus complaints that viacom issued not even $300/hour can do that).

Yeah no kidding.

"Not guilty...One of my anonymous users uploaded it, Your Honor."

We all know how much bullshit that is.

true dat. hookers, pimps and thieves are tending to the flock.

i would think that's proof they're no longer DCMA 'user uploaded' and no longer protected under such legislation!!!!!!!!

if they are scanning content, they are no longer DCMA proteted.

WTF! Why didn't you just give him the links to where your content is and just let him take it down?

Sounds like he was trying to do the right thing but you wanted to play Mr Big Dick with him so he told you to pound sand.

You get more done with honey than with vinegar.

spacedog? i thought you were dead?

didn't you get the award a few years back for the biggest moron on GFY?

That's so true!

But he was :mad:

Hell, I do not know what they paid for or not, but if stuff like this is pirated, then they should be shut down:
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=755792348

LOL so what youre saying is its OK to steal content , as long as they take it down when they get caught ?????

fucking amazing.

That's exactly what the DMCA allows...
WG

no he is saying the guy gave you a chance to jump the que not have to jump thru any legal hoops that protect him from your bogus claim that it some sort of theft.

And you thumbed your nose at him because you don't like the way the law is currently written.

That just plain stupid.

That what he is saying.

I think you should have taken his offer for the easy way, as much as I understand your frustration of those content thieves getting away with shit and all, in the end it would have been the most swift way.

Writing on boards like these will get you pro and contra responses but no solution!

There are many discussions about content thieves and how to handle them, but simply said, if you ain't got the time and money to prosecute them then just DMCA them.
If you have to DMCA the same website like 50 times a month, you've got a strong basis for prosecuting them like this other guy did. (forgot his name, other GFY topic here)

shes fuckin hawt

correct, but see, with youtube, their filtering was simple. ( no nudity , and that's easy to prove you are active in, and videos did go up first, then come down )

what i'm saying is, if they are not allowing a submit to go up first, then they have to have some criteria which is published no? something that defines what they are filtering out? so you know what their guideline is for this filtering, and that would be after the fact.

since a porn tube is all porn, they would be filtering against what exactly? it certainly couldn't be filtering against copyrighted material, b/c if they said that, they would be saying they have team that filters that, and that team would be failing, which would then say, they could be open for suit? and in that same regard, as described above, the poster I was referring to said he opened an account in the program name, hoping to allow his content ( which should break no rules compared to their content listed ) on their site to share just like any other user. but either because he had watermarks ( which you can't filter, bc they have many with watermarks, often for a different site ) or becasue he isn't paying to play, should then exempt them from the DMCA clause.

they would be saying, well, you're not paying for the right to display your own content, so no game, but the other users are then all paying for the right to display content? and if that was the case, what safegaurds are then in place to make sure those paying customers aren't copyright infringing? and what info is collected? what info can be then shared with the original copyright holder?

seems to whichever way you cut it, this instance cannot be compared to Youtube, b/c Youtube basically said, we have millions of uploaders that upload, and we don't pre-approve them, but we filter for one set of things ( nudity based ) and therefore can only work in a reactive method to take down your content.

i'm sure there is a finite amount of users that upload stolen content on their own, b/c the activity is demonstrated in forums, and that is ok. but you cannot say that these tubes can have it both ways.

you can't force someone to pay to be listed without guidelines, and once you have those guidelines, they have to be enforeced the whole way down or you should be open for suit.

turning a blind eye for those that follow one behavior ( un watermarked, re watermarked, full length videos ) and denying other behavior ( watermarked, shorter movies ) won't work. that just demonstrates a pre-meditated business plan that won't follow any safe harbors.

I don't think porntubes could prove they have any of these things in place, and therefore, dmca would only go so far ....

How much did they want to charge you?

woooooooooooooowwww!! This is unreal!

:error Read what I posted a second time, but this time around do it S L O W E R!

Where the fuck do you come up with this shit. :1orglaugh

WHERE in my post, or any post EVER did I say it was ok to steal content.

My whole point was you should of told him where your shit is and let them take it down, but you wanted to get into a pissing match.

Of course you're upset, but getting into a pissing match via informal IM chat isn't the way to get the results you want.

Were it me, I'd of given them the urls to get the shit removed and then waited til the shit was removed before getting into the pissing match.

Youre god dam right i wanna get in a pissing match as everyone else here is saying take the easy way out. I say bullshit. I may try stuff and get no where but im going to try. Everyones saying just let them take it down. Most of you saying it havent spent tons of cash and hours producing. You sit home and watch the world go by. I may be wrong but thats how I feel.

Also Spacedog, im not trying to put words in your mouth saying you said its ok to steal. I didnt mean it to come off that way.

just another digital gangster.

Lets see these people face to face be this brave while fucking with another man's lively hood.These guys should be ****** for shit like this.

They will get what's coming to them, karma is very real, hopefully one day they are financially destroyed from lawsuits.