If you are being honest, i call bullshit. If you are trying to stop competition then I agree with you.

If the right girl comes along and is shot correctly and marketing done right, you can make a mint!

Absolutely the single girl site. But it would have to be a very special girl. That certain "it" factor and of course her interaction with the fans. I personally wouldn't touch a "mega site" that has it's content outsourced and no fan interaction. I see the sales (or lack thereof) that they make when I send them traffic. Why would anybody want to join those sites when you can get the full experience of them for free since their members areas are completely ripped in a thousand different places?

So yeah, solo girl without a doubt...or a very micro niche that had several girls that were loyal and exclusive to just that one site and worked on it together to interact with the members. But you'd still need ONE girl who had that undefineable "it"

And that "it" isn't a common commodity. It's rare and the girls that have "it" many times are unaware of it themselves and aren't actively out there pushing for a solo site. Hell, it took me 7 years to convince Claudia-Marie to do a site.

The Dancing Bear is proving everyone wrong with their site launch and conversions. People just need to stop producing the same exact paysite as everyone else and innovate.

I started as a solo girl and am considered a porn star now.....but I still consider myself a solo girl.

Yep, William made millions with Southern Charms by the time he was 25 years old. Totally "square" and super nice person. He and his wife started it and ran the whole thing out of their house...probably still do. Used to be one of my best friends (he webmastered AL4A for us for about a year back in 1998) Haven't seen him since probably 2000.

He really had a great idea and it was just a monster.

As long as you talking about Solo Girls and sites , can u boys , please , tell me some good converting Solo site ? thanks :thumbsup

What's with the past tense...lol :party-smi

Brooke Skye still converts amazingly well along with some others mentioned in this thread...:thumbsup

i would give the credit to the armies of webmasters vs. the program owners

This was a very very interesting read...

thank you Wizzo :thumbsup I will try with Solo Slut Cash too

i certainly wouldn't give much credit to jenna for building the *jenna* brand.

very little credit, in fact.

right girl, right place, right time, right people.

I love threads where someone is either self promoting or labelled as genius. A good market person knows how to network well - is creative but also trusted by webmasters and reads/learns about the industry to notice any changes needed to bring in sales/traffic etc. - I would honestly say that no "one" person is a genius and if so would not be so arrogant as to call themselves that because they would have recognized that it wasn't their efforts alone that got them there

Just approved your account brother.

I always thought the proof of genius was the ability to do it again. Lightspeed had 2 girls go HUGE and one or two others that was really big. Better yet they were different. Not tons but still different. FTV had two huge hits. Not picking on Mayor's money as they have obviously done well.

JayMan/3xTom aren't bad either. Raven Riley and Liz Vicious for example.

I also consider you the mother of my next set of twins.

WATCHOUT! :)

I agree , and that's why I think us at Mayors weren't as much "solo-girl" successful as we were "program/traffic" successful because Mayors wasn't our 1st program to reach great success. Stiffycash was monster in its day compared to Mayors. :winkwink:

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Thanks brother :thumbsup Now you have a new sista with Solo Slut Cash :winkwink:

could some knowledgeable folks in this thread perhaps list some things that the genius marketers did that makes them so?

would be nice to see some specifics actions taken.

thx!

no there isn't. selling something that no one knows they need is pure genius

i remember when mayor's money took over gfy and had that funny code going.


is that something considered as genius?

I think, at the time, the marketing of that site had more to do with it being "high definition" than the actual girl.
I remember the very large, high quality videos on the site... that was more alluring that Brooke Skye ever was.

I don't want to get too specific just because many of things we did still work today and many still haven't caught on, so I don't want to create more competition for myself.

However, I think its about leading the trends. Like in Stiffycash back in 2000 or so, offering a thing called free hosted galleries, which at the time no major program was offering, now try and find one that doesn't. Same thing with MayorsMoney, we added Flash videos around 3years ago when most webmasters didn't know what they were for because most MGPs wouldn't accept them but now everyone has tube videos.

Now in relation to sologirls, we did alot with geo-targeting and personalization but in a automated fashion because with 1000s of members there just wouldn't be enough hours in the day to say shoot them all a custom fansign when they join. So we built a fansign generator which both sent new members a custom sign with their name and also for webmasters to use to build them for their needs. Its also always about focusing on details like type of font the generator used, which we had made from the girls actual handwriting not some font that you can find anywhere on the net. Now this thread needs a pic, so Brooke made you a fansign... :winkwink:

http://images.brookeskye.com/signs/c.../515464107.jpg

I don't know if it was genius, but damn funny as hell... haha:thumbsup

right on! good stuff there.

it was funny as hell. :1orglaugh:thumbsup

i wonder what mayor is up to now? probly has a tube going, hahahahahaha.

I still talk to Mike fairly regular and he's got some BIG stuff working and doing really well, but don't want to let the cat out of the bag, part of good marketing... :winkwink:

for the record- Jayman and 3XTom are no slouchers.
What they did for Raven a few years back was simply incredible.

Typical "solo girlish" to spell his name wrong. :winkwink:

raven is who prompted my question, rly.

i know jayman *discovered* her and brought her froma bikini model to full nude and that traffic rly soared for her site after 3xtom got involved but what did that involve?

didn't he already have the traffic network via pichunter, etc and utilize that?

hah, nice catch. i was too busy checking out her ass. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

no mention of Melissa Midwest? that girl has gotten some press, all on her own...

I've never really gotten too into promoting solor girl sites, but from my perspective if I had to choose the most successful solo girl in the last few years Raven Riley is the first one that comes to mind.

Southern Charms I think is the sleeper of the industry. No one really talks about them much, but they've been around forever with a sizeable army of amateur self promoters.

I think Rob from FTV Girls did a damn good job with Lia19 and Alison Angel.

I happen to know a thing or two about this topic....and I agree that MikeAI at one time was THE MAN in that arena but you guys are leaving out the one TRUE genius of the Amateur market....the one that everybody copied...the one that truly started it all.....Carol and Danny Cox.

Since then there have been many people that have, in one way or another, redefined the market....Mike AI, Steve Lightspeed, 3xTom, and others.....but as far as I can remember nobody can say that they were BEFORE Wild Rose. Carol has changed her site since the old days but originally it was the first, true Amateur Site.


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Definitely old school but was it really the first?

Do you remember diannadoes.com? That site goes back a long way too, although now long defunct, sadly. Dianna and her then husband used to post on porncity back in the day. I did some design, graphics and promo work for them for a while, right up until they got sued out of existance by some local prudes and churchgoers.

One of the first truly solo amateur girl site I can recall though, and for a while back then they were huge.

I bet PK remembers her, Dianna used to buy ad space from her.

Are there any big succesful solo girl sites NOW? I think a person who still runs such site could be called real marketing genius.

sure there are - but it depends on what you consider 'big successful'.

Brooke was cute, I'm not saying she was chopped liver - she had a real cute real American look to her, but she wasn't like 'wow'. the reaction you want with a young solo girl site model is 'damn what's SHE doing in porn?'. the surfer should be thinking he's hit paydirt that a girl that cute and wholesome is actually naked or having sex and he gets to see it.

true.. those would be near the top..

Brooke is cuter than the average porn girl imo...

don't underestimate cute freckled face redheads with a joyful personality ;)

The whole "genius" to marketing a solo girl is to realize that there are BILLIONS of people in this world. And for every type of girl there are millions of guys who will absolutely be in love with her.

Then it comes down to IF the girl has the personality and star power and IF you have the brains and the talent to shoot her the way the guys who are into whatever niche she falls into want to see her.

Sounds simple. But the reality is it's almost like aligning the stars at just the right moment in time.

It's usually ONE girl who makes the empires of most solo girl programs.

For Steve, it was without a doubt Tawnee Stone. I must have made a million dollars off of promoting that girl with little more than a banner at the top of Ampland for a couple of years.

And if you look at everyone else it's the same story...one girl is the real star. And that's as it should be. Those kind of girls are RARE. And to have that one girl meet up with just the right person to promote them (knowledge of the niche, of what the fans want, having the expertise to execute the idea) is extremely rare.

That's why there are only a few of them.

You can try to copy them. But it won't work.

Just like I could show you how to play Eddie Van Halens licks on a guitar. But it doesn't mean you're gonna become the next Van Halen.

It's a special thing. Maybe even a once in a career type thing.

PhilFlash definitely shoots like a perv, I second whoever said that... he struck gold with tiffany teen but unless someone was a total moron they could have cashed in on her, she had a face like an angel and a body of a slutty whore-

Well, let's say 10K+ of active paying members makes it a big succesful solo girl site.

Nope. I don't know of any true solo girl site that has 10k of active paying recurring members. I think that is just reflective of the fact that there are so many choices out there now. But I can tell you that even having 2k+ of active members paying full price (we don't do trials) makes a few coins to rub together.

Especially for me because my overhead to shoot a scene comes down to just paying male talent a hundred bucks. Then it's all profit.

I'd hate to be the companies that shoot "mega sites" and have to pay the girls all that money to shoot, plus they always have over-bloated production crews with 5 people doing the job that a single person can do.

I dont have to read past this post.
MikeAI

maybe, but I think that the other big names are in the same league.

Well I know it's hard to get that many members, especially in nowadays market, but we're searching for geniuses in this thread arent' we? :)

I agree with Steve. AmatuerIndex and those sites that evolved out of it were spot on.
Mike wouldnt even show you a nipple before you joined!

One of the few long time friends I have in this business and I sure do miss the income from those sites from back then.