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weekly 08-16-2009 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 16192874)
good info right there



What was he wrong about?


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you will see a doctor and get the tests before you would in Britain or Canada, famously notorious for their long waiting lists.
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ottyhotties 08-16-2009 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly (Post 16192856)
Wrong. How do you know this? Do you have any idea what triage is? I think you need treatment for an overdose....of Fox News.

If you took time and actually read her description and not jumped into typical knee jerk liberal reactions, you would if I'm understanding her correctly, seen she needs a diagnosis of the growth not triage.

Unlike you I took whatever information she gave and I could understand and pointed her into the direction of solving her problems. I ignored our political differences we might have about universal health coverage and tried to do something about it by linking her to free and sliding scale clinics in her area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triage

Care to explain to me how you're applying triage to her situation? Turn off MSNBC, slap that leg and get the thrills out of it, rub off your homosexual hard on for Obama and try to make some sense next time. I'm guessing you're using triage in the sense of emergency care but her description of needing tests doesn't indicate she needs triage in how I imagine you're using the word.

weekly 08-16-2009 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ottyhotties (Post 16192916)
If you took time and actually read her description and not jumped into typical knee jerk liberal reactions, you would if I'm understanding her correctly, seen she needs a diagnosis of the growth not triage.

Unlike you I took whatever information she gave and I could understand and pointed her into the direction of solving her problems. I ignored our political differences we might have about universal health coverage and tried to do something about it by linking her to free and sliding scale clinics in her area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triage

Care to explain to me how you're applying triage to her situation? Turn off MSNBC, slap that leg and get the thrills out of it, rub off your homosexual hard on for Obama and try to make some sense next time. I'm guessing you're using triage in the sense of emergency care but her description of needing tests doesn't indicate she needs triage in how I imagine you're using the word.

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any system for prioritizing based on available resources, manpower, etc., as in an emergency
If you need it urgently, you get it. I thought that was crystal clear.

GatorB 08-16-2009 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 16191808)
I am very sorry to hear that.

But one heartbreaking case should not make policy.

I am against socialized medicine. It failed miserably in Canada, the UK, and elsewhere. Former Eastern European countries have dropped it and are moving to a more western/ capitalist format.

No one, not even the most hardened communist, would want death panels by design. But there is no way to avoid them. Universal health care will so overwhelm resources that it will result in government rationing of healthcare. Death Panels are unavoidable.

The current system needs to be fixed, but not by trading big insurance for big brother.

Are you that fucking retarded to believe the bullshit the haters are spewing? There are no "death pannels" in any Obama bill if anything we have them NOW. This person is being told to go off and die because they are not profitable for the insurance companies.

if you think the staus quo is ok then you are some new level of retard not yet discovered. even the vast majotiry of the Obama haters ADMIT the current system sucks. You think it's hunky dorry. You make Palin's baby look like Einstien.

People like you deserve to either have yourself or a close love one get very ill. Why? Because then when you totally assfucked by the insurance companies and healthcare industry you will finally see the light. And if it takes someone close to you dying oh fucking well. It a shame you refuse to learn the EASY way and must learn the HARD way. But that the only way haters and retards like you ever learn.

Libertine 08-16-2009 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ottyhotties (Post 16192916)
If you took time and actually read her description and not jumped into typical knee jerk liberal reactions, you would if I'm understanding her correctly, seen she needs a diagnosis of the growth not triage.

Unlike you I took whatever information she gave and I could understand and pointed her into the direction of solving her problems. I ignored our political differences we might have about universal health coverage and tried to do something about it by linking her to free and sliding scale clinics in her area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triage

Care to explain to me how you're applying triage to her situation? Turn off MSNBC, slap that leg and get the thrills out of it, rub off your homosexual hard on for Obama and try to make some sense next time. I'm guessing you're using triage in the sense of emergency care but her description of needing tests doesn't indicate she needs triage in how I imagine you're using the word.

The statement on waiting lists was where you fucked up.

In countries with UHC, symptoms that are possibly indicative of cancer will get you right to the front of the line. Just like in the US, for that matter.

ottyhotties 08-16-2009 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly (Post 16192937)
If you need it urgently, you get it. I thought that was crystal clear.

you clearly don't understand triage or have spent much time in an emergency room. My ex wife had several visits to the emergency room and they treat the pain you come in with, then the doctor comes in (sometimes a nurse) with patient instructions. Those instructions are often to go see your doctor and follow up on this and that suspicion the doctor might have had. A lot of those suspicions and recommendations for more testing found in patient instructions are done to prevent later lawsuits and put the ball back into the patients court.

She went to the emergency room for an infection related to Crohn's disease. The emergency room was tasked in that visit with treating the infection, the emergency room is not tasked to be the primary physician care specialist.

Triage in her visit probably classified her low level in the emergency room and someone coming in with chest pains was high level. She probably had a long wait while they focused on people having chest pains because that is what triage is in a emergency room.

the Shemp 08-16-2009 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 16192706)
Income tax.

guess what some of the other taxes are used for ?
health care, maybe?

Kingfish 08-16-2009 06:29 PM

Waiting list lol? My State here in the US has an insurance program that allows low income people that don?t qualify for Medicaid to purchase medical insurance. I don?t qualify for that program because I make too much, but for those that do the waiting list is currently a year and a half long and growing. If you have a pre-existing condition even with insurance your wait for coverage is 12-18 months. Yeah there are no waiting lists in the U.S. lol what a bunch of idiots. Not to mention if you don?t have insurance your waiting list is indefinite unless you?re immediately in danger of death.

For the guy that posted the links to free clinics if you make more than 40-50k a year forget it. If you need anything that your typical family practice doctor can?t handle is his or her office you will be sent to the emergency room. Then if you aren?t at immediate risk of dying/distress from your illness or disease you will be sent home. IE if you walk in with cancer they will send you home and give you a referral to a specialist (that won?t treat you free) they won?t give you chemo. What is really ass backwards about how it works is if your cancer treatment would only cost 50k and have an 80% success rate they won?t give it to you if you can?t pay, but then when you comeback via ambulance 2-3 years later they will spend millions of dollars extending your miserable life a couple of extra weeks.

weekly 08-16-2009 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ottyhotties (Post 16192982)
you clearly don't understand triage or have spent much time in an emergency room. My ex wife had several visits to the emergency room and they treat the pain you come in with, then the doctor comes in (sometimes a nurse) with patient instructions. Those instructions are often to go see your doctor and follow up on this and that suspicion the doctor might have had. A lot of those suspicions and recommendations for more testing found in patient instructions are done to prevent later lawsuits and put the ball back into the patients court.

She went to the emergency room for an infection related to Crohn's disease. The emergency room was tasked in that visit with treating the infection, the emergency room is not tasked to be the primary physician care specialist.

Triage in her visit probably classified her low level in the emergency room and someone coming in with chest pains was high level. She probably had a long wait while they focused on people having chest pains because that is what triage is in a emergency room.

I would guess I have spent way more time in emergeny rooms than you have or prolly ever will. I know exactly what I am saying. You, are treading water. Triage is bigger than emergency rooms. Address the issue, not your personal definition of triage, or go post about something you know about.

Ayla_SquareTurtle 08-16-2009 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly (Post 16192651)
PRETTY SURE. In other words, you have no fucking idea. If it happens to you, which you have about a one in three chance, then tell us all what you feel. You have even a better chance of getting diabetes. There are a lot of busses along the way and they all have to miss you.

WTF dude? Did I claim to be an expert on health care plans? Why are you jumping on me? You seem to think that I hold an opinion on this issue which I DO NOT ACTUALLY HOLD.

TurboAngel 08-17-2009 06:49 AM

I'm so sorry to hear that.


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