No you are wrong. Obama has put MORE troops in Afghanistan something Bush never did.

It has not been on the news...it is not on the internet...it has not been spoken about by any Congressional members on C-Span. "Weird"? If you have a link stating that a pipeline is under construction please provide it.

No...I am not wrong. The military had requested X number of troops and the President sent a lesser number of troops than was requested...they now are requesting an additional X number of troops and thus far the President has not honored that request...even though the request was made some time ago and is an on going request.

The "official" date for the launch is 2010... Here, http://www.energybulletin.net/node/4089 , a US ambassador said in 2005 that construction would begin in 2006.. who knows if they already started, I have no way to verify what MrCoolIce said in that regard but my main point was that indeed, the building of a pipeline is a major motive for being in Afghanistan, amongst other things... I didn't see your previous post acknowledging that a pipeline was in the plans..

The press would know if a pipeline was under construction...Congressmen would know if a pipeline is under construction...the soldiers would know if a pipeline is under construction and if the bulk of our forces were protecting said pipeline...but not a peep out of any of the sources I have listed. I conclude that there is not a pipeline under construction but is still in the planning stage and I think it will remain in the planning stage until there is no longer a conflict taking place (as a pipeline is an easy target)...and that may happen when hell freezes over.

ah the press would know and report on it!!! :1orglaugh In what dream world are you living? Another myth, alerted congressmen would blow the whistle!! :helpme

Dude, I'm not even saying it is true, but you, the population are not told everything that you should know. Wake up. I don't believe however that the bulk of the military is guarding pipelines (if they are any)...

Given that Mr. CoolIce has been to Iraq and Afghanistan and you haven't I am far more inclined to believe him than you. He says he has seen a pipeline being built with his own eyes. Why are you so ready to think he would lie? Why are you so ready to discount what he is saying? Ask yourself if it is because you don't want to believe it is the main reason US troops are in the country. Maybe you are so against the notion it is possible you don't want to believe him... So you came from a military background? While I applaud and whole-heartedly respect your service, it doesn't mean you get to know the truth sometimes...same goes for your friends who are serving. Maybe they are in other areas of the country where actual conflict is happening. We see plenty of news reports showing conflict, so ergo there must be some...right?

Just because something does not get published in the media doesn't mean it's not happening, (false flag ops...for example) it just means it isn't being reported in a truthful manner. You of all people must know that hundreds of newsworthy items are kept out of the media on a daily basis for strategic political reasons.

Do you think that all news worthy stories are always reported no matter what the political slant associated with the story?

Imagine if the mainstream press reported that the SINGLE BIGGEST REASON the US troops were sent to war, was for oil! Imagine the outrage. It stands to reason that the truth can't always be reported because the backlash would be overwhelming. When the truth is cloaked in another agenda you always need to be willing to step back and look at the bigger picture and establish the truth.

The game of Risk and the strategy associated with domination, is all about establishing presence and control of resources. It is abundantly clear that the US agenda is about establishing presence in the middle east where the largest natural oil reserves remain.
Once you have controlled the power in that region and established the puppet regimes who will control the activity of commercial enterprise in your favor (for massive personal gain of course), the flow of oil you control tips the gamut of power in US favor, so that it remains a force to be reckoned with. Lose control of the worlds resources and you fall behind other superpowers who are willing to grab them for themselves. Right now Russia and Denmark are doing exactly the same thing by showing their military strength in the Arctic where they are trying to fight for oil rich areas bordering Canada.

China has been doing an amazing job of controlling the purchase of US debt for years. Every day China lends the USA $1.9 Billion dollars. Every day the own another piece of the US and every taxpayer in the country. It is not the oil companies or other US owned multinational companies who bear that debt, it is the American people who are slaves to the debt. As a result do you ever hear in the mainstream press about how China (A COMMUNIST COUNTRY) is lending so much money to the US? Didn't you used to hate commies? What's the difference between China and Russia? How come US media doesn't spin that story....? After all commies lending you money to survive?

The bottom line is that western news (like communist or any other tin pot dictator nations) is subjective. not objective. You hear what they want you to hear because it is "for the greater good" (at least in their eyes).

As such you will never hear major news stories about building pipelines for oil. You will only hear about freedom fighting. That's the spin. That's the truth.

This is all some crazy stuff. Which makes it all the more believable, actually.

I have a history of posts where I have made it abundantly clear that the US...just as all countries do...take actions...or do not act...based upon what the leaders of the country determine to be in the best interests of the country...politically...geopolitically...economica lly and other wise...that is their duty. I by no means am naive in any way.

I conclude that there is not a pipeline currently under construction for the reasons I previously stated. It would be the height of stupidity for anyone to invest in the building of a major pipeline of such importance in a country where armed conflict is taking place. A pipeline is an easy target and simply could not be protected.

Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran...

Meaning you have spoken to one (maybe two at most) of your friends a long time ago and they didn't know anything about it. So therefore you aren't prepared to take the word of someone there who has been and see the pipeline being built with their own eyes...that speaks volumes about you. It says you are closed minded and unwilling to be objective. It says you will never believe it, even when you are told it exists. Hell if someone posted a picture of it, you would probably say it's manipulated image. Anything to prove you're right...

That speaks more to your online searching skills than it does about the existence of a pipeline. Also means there is a possibly that some powerful people prefer the current media story of the war being based around fighting a battle with "terror" than it does anything else.

The war on terror can never be won, because it has no target. It is just a word and can therefore be manipulated by anyone for their own needs. The only "winner" from a war on terror is those that profit from war...that is my opinion.

You are not anywhere close to be correct about any of your assumptions...thank you very much. You are now dismissed.

how funny that your ever-so-predictable response is hostility I feel real sympathy for you because all those years of being in the military have probably taught you that hostility is the best form of defense. However it is you who are wrong. Dismissed or not you won't bully me

It is you who looks like the fool. :thumbsup:1orglaugh

Is this 6th fucking grade? What's next, telling him 'yo momma' jokes?

The press is actually discounting the pipeline "theory":
http://www.slate.com/?id=2059487
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1626889.stm

The actual plans for the pipeline, 2002:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1984459.stm

That must be one helluva pipeline to take this long to build. The trans-Alaska only took about 3 1/2 years.

what are they arguing? That a pipeline will not be built? That the US wouldn't be interested?

A pipeline will be built starting "officially" in 2010 and the US is backing it...

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...0619/undefined

Hmmmm.... If I was President, I'd go back to the old ways and arm the warlords, and let them all fight it out. Then, I'd buy the last man standing.

We'd save a lot of American lives; but, the Afgans would never know the joys of McDonalds.

You guys are all fucking idiots.

They've been building this pipeline since the mid 1980s. Or at least talking about it.

As for this pipeline, you do you know that at any given time there are dozens of pipelines being built? They are building one in Venezuela, why aren't we attacking them? We get more oil from from Venezuela than we do Afghanistan....

How would the US benefit from this magical pipeline?

- Cheaper oil? Nope. A single pipeline, no matter how important, doesn't effect the price of gas.
- More oil? Nope. We get most our oil from Cananda. No pipeline in Afghanistan is going to change that.
- More money? Nope. We don't get any money from that.

And if the bulk of the US forces three was protecting one single pipeline, don't you think the entire world would know about it? Because you can't have tens of thousands of troops guarding one pipeline and not have everyone on earth know about it. Don't be stupid.

uh? What would be the official excuse to invade Venezuela? lol



you're serious? no money to be made there?

and that is why the administration ended the war or was that not reported much?

By the way, there is NO oil in afghanistan, no gas either ,,, Pipeline just go thru it ... Pretty risky now, no ?

http://www.thedebate.org/thedebate/afghanistan.asp

Tell that to the families of the ones killed there..

Your full of shit... I have been to both Iraq 04-05 Afghanistan 06 and never did I see anything of what you are talking about.. But then again you KBR folks never left the FOB..

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messed that one up.

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My hostility level rises when people make wild ass assumptions...when they are totally ignorant of any facts.

I have serious doubts that the building of a pipeline will begin until armed conflict is virtually ended and I do not predict that to be the case in 2010...as the pipeline would be to easy of a target and virtually impossible to protect.

Did you serve with the 75th Ranger Regiment...and if so did you ever know a Shawn Ossinger?

theKing/Pathfinder is a psychologically impaired person who pretends he was in the military.

Everybody go home and stop fighting wars.

Ignorance personified.

:1orglaugh

Venezuela is working with Russia, and as a superpower, USA are not going to start a nuclear war over Venezuela. Next question....Afghanistan is only a conduit for the pipeline. The only thing the US wants is a stable regime to control the pipeline security and the resulting flow of dollars.

The oil comes through/from from Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Central Asia into India. The demand will be growing for decades to come. Whatever is left of the oil resource can be sold at astronomical prices. Supply versus demand. It is clear and obvious to anyone with a grain of smarts about them that oil is running out fast. Everyone needs it. If you control it and the currency it is dealt in, you hold the power. This would be one of the biggest pipeline flows in the world, and would negate the need to rely on the Russians or Iran for oil. Independence when it comes to oil saves/makes billions of dollars.
Smug but not too smart. Again your answer is woefully off target. If you control the majority of the worlds oil you can set your own price. No-one can stop you.

How lucky you are to be so mercifully free from the ravages of intelligence. If you build a pipeline through to India as planned then US oil interests who control the flow of that oil stand to make billions in profits as India's demand for oil increases...really, really obvious stuff here.

Woops! Wrong again.

Oh dear. Guess what? Yup, wrong again. Unocal = US corporation.

We're not at all stupid. I applaud your debating skills though. Starting off by calling everyone fucking idiots shows how thoughtful you really are. good for you.

You should listen to Rochard.... and stop reading Internet crap. Just to point out one factor..

Top U.S. Crude Oil Supplier -- Canada - 1,956,000 barrels/day
Top U.S. Total Petroleum Supplier -- Canada - 2,493,000 barrels/day

fyi, the trans-afghan pipeline is for natural gas, not oil.

You guys are fucking hilarious

The media would know? Ummm, who do you think owns the media? This is not 1965, this is 2009 and the for profit media reports on what it's told to report on. Not to mention, there are MANY off-limits areas of Afghanistan.

King, why do you think there is conflict there? THERE WAS NO CONFLICT until western forces invaded.

A pipeline there is no different than a pipeline in Iraq. Sure, easy targets, but that is why you have PMC's and the US Military, to protect them. Both are protecting oil fields in Iraq, when the pipeline is complete, they will be protecting that too.

Well, the governments of the world have a track record of doing incredibly stupid things. This is nothing new. Besides, if you had any idea of how much money is involved, it's not so stupid.

It's not to get oil FROM Afghanistan, it's to control the oil moving THROUGH it. Think about it. You may just have an "ah-ha" moment.

It's a mix of military and PMC's. I can get you a job doing it if you want. I have good contacts at a few PMCs who are always hiring qualified men.

You are living in a DREAM WORLD if you think the world knows about what goes on ANYWHERE. The world knows what it is told.

I understand that Canada provides most oil to US. I am in Canada. I read (mostly) newspapers, not internet conspiracy sites. In deference to what he said I agree it's likely that the support of Canada and its oil will long continue, but I contend that the flow of gas through this pipeline will change US corporations income to the greater mighty dollar. Collectively the oil corporations who are financing this in conjunction with the Asian Development Bank stand to make billions.Oil/gas it's all the same issue-control.

I refuse to listen to someone who starts their message with "you are all fucking idiots". He may have the most salient point to make but the fact that he starts insulting people is why he loses all my respect at that point, end of story.

I know and am in contact with about a half dozen people that are currently serving in Afghanistan and I have sent out feelers to them. I have already gotten a response from a friend that served two tours in Afghanistan and flies a transport helicopter (he is currently serving in Iraq)...and he told me that he flew extensively over Afghanistan and that he never saw and never heard about a major pipeline being under construction...so if one is currently under construction it is a well kept secret even from our troops...let alone the world press and our own members of Congress.