Not really fighting for the name shaw in Canada, just protecting our domain. Which I have done to this point, of course some heavy legal fees involved.

I agree.

I think some of you are being a bit hypocritical. Whats the difference between showing fisting or showing blowjobs or intercourse? Its all porn, its all hardcore. I know, community standards. But how many communities approve of showing oral or intercourse. Not many.


I personally dont believe in showing hardcore on an unprotected page. But many of you do. And many of you have your panties in a bunch over the possiblity of bush cracking down. But then when someone gets busted, jokes are made about how they will be in a jail cell?

Just trying to see the logic i

No The Dirty Old Man !!! Dam, now I know of them..duh..I seen Paul replied earlier today on the board..heres their link to their page in case you were wondering http://sweeterotica.com/

This is GFY. There is no logic.

plain jane hardcore porn is broadcast over the TV airwaves in canada - thus no worried about the community standards there.

Can models without green cards press charges?

:winkwink:

Or.. it could have been a gal that was raped and tortured in the name of the almighty dollar..

The law apparently had these guys in their scope for quite awhile and I doubt the arrests were just about the one gal's information.. Her instance was just an example of what they had.. They obviously found some pretty disgusting stuff and if these things were happening, they need to have their nads cropped...
Just because a woman wants to do porn, doesn't mean she wants to be beaten or raped.

I was about to say...aren't their cable companies there that broadcast regular hardcore pay per view?

Shaw Cable does

What's disgusting to "them" might not be so bad to you... and vice-versa. So if the Sweets were wrongfully prosecuted, should they still lose their genitals?

:winkwink:

If any of you have ever been inside the SWEET studio, you'd know that they were definitely making some money doing something.

BTW they were raided last year also... HOWEVER, I have been made aware that they ensure that all content models READ ALOUD ON CAMERA all acts that they are about to participate in. Thats why I doubt the rape portion of the story. that'll sell papers in this shithole town.

In my estimation there was about 20 office staff down there. I wonder if they were all arrested.

LOOKS like the media might launch a big investigation.

I've seen their Fisting Lessons site, and they work with VERY submissive girls. Humiliation is part of their schtick. It's hard to know if a girl was ACTUALLY raped and abused or if she's just biting the hand which at one time fed her. Keep an open mind. The problem everybody in our business has is that everyone wants to believe the worst about us, so if a model tells an outright lie about me, she would likely be believed, and with the Sweets, their material is so nasty (anal and vaginal fisting, golden showers, etc., and with a humiliation tinge) that they are walking into court with a virtual presumption of guilt.

Isn't Max Candy up in Vancouver too?

:(

You're right there. From what I understand, they had their asses covered pretty good. BUT... if they broke obscenity laws, it wouldn't matter if the girl wrote a 10 page essay on how she loved getting a fist in her ass. Shit creek's floodgates are broken, and there's no paddles in the canoe!

:winkwink:

according to the news 4 were arrested and on the global site"Four people are facing charges of making or publishing obscene matter. They could face up to two years in jail."

hey I love this city..It isnt a shithole...

I absolutely agree. After seeing a lot of Sweetloads vids, I've wondered several times how he can treat those amateur models like shit without getting in trouble. well, well. let's see what's gonna happen.

SWEET also happens to be located in East Vancouver.

This is the same area as Robert Pickton, Canadas worst serial killer.

Unfortunately many of the women in this area are addicted to drugs and the sex trade is the only way to make money...

If it's been a year long investigation, I think it might be a lot worse then people think. People get away with all sorts of shit in this city, so this shit is probably thick....

Laws are made for a reason and they need to be adhered to.

There is ZERO erotica value in the portrayal of rape.

haha... Thanks LENS!!! how was skiing?



as for the Shawinternet domain... so far we've been succesful in the fight against shaw cable... very hard to "trademark" a Sir name... thus someone could open a McDonaldsinternet and McDonalds hamburgers can do nothing about it... they have filed to trademark the name shaw and anything affilitated to it... shawinternet is not the only target...

Good question.

They still have the feeds mentioned in there press release up.


Localg,
give you a call 11ish tomorrow ?

Dirty Old Man is cool :)

I think he's been shooting in Europe exclusively for some time now. We bump into models who've worked with him in our European studio.

This is the rap against our entire business, and while I believe it's often more true of the girls who do hardcore video than the girls who just model, let's not forget there are also girls who are just exploring a wild side to their personality. I take much more advantage of girl's need for excitement and adventure than a need to pay the rent or even drugs. Let's face it: most girls would rather move back in with mom or crash temporarily with friends than pose nude to pay their rent.

I try to stay away from drug users because (a) they make crummy models and (b) valuable photography equipment is likely to disappear into their backpack while my back is turned.

And while I agree there is zero erotica value in actual rape, there actually IS a lot of erotica value in what is known to be feigned abuse. That is simply role playing.

Also, there are girls who like it rough. I had one model explain to me that her best orgasms came when her dates ignored her pleas to stop and treated her roughly. In her words, "I like being taken. It's about the only way I orgasm."

What is erotic is a very complicated matter and can't be summarized in a bumpersticker phrase.

Damn, this is some fairly big news. It's not everyday that a porn company of that size gets busted.

I guess if you play with fire long enough, eventually you're gonna get burned.

they pretty much broke all the rules in the province of BC.

cant tie people up - they did it
cant full fist - they did it
cant piss on someone - they did it
can't degrade people- they did it

i would like to see them fight it all- as i disagree with BC laws.

Note these restrictions all you guys thinking of moving your business to Canada. I could work within those confines myself, but obviously Canada is no bastion of "free expression," since they don't even allow those things between consenting adults!

Of course back here in the States, in Seattle, they had (may still have for all I know) a law against depicting "women in peril." Which made BDSM porn a pretty touchy subject, though I always wondered how they could legally display about 95% of Hollywood movies there. Anybody familiar with the rules in Seattle here?

Totally agree, we shouldnt be quick to judge them based on media reports.

Ive leased most of the feeds from SEG, back from when they first offered them, they have always been great people to deal with on a business level.

As for their content, while some of the BDSM stuff they have turns my stomach, I've seen other "amateur style" content streams offered for lease that were more degrading to the female models in my opinion.

ButtCam.com (SEG) is the coolest fucking thing i've ever seen in this business

Innocent till proven Guilty ! Like Someone said earlier in the thread, a lot of people were trying to be their friends, when the getting was good ! :2 cents:

actually the Sweets could move east to the next Canadian Provine ( Alberta) and do most of that shit.

its just the laws of British Colombia that are the most strict in Canada.

each province has their own rules.

You're joking aren't you ? :glugglug

Lens its a little unfair of you to single out ToolGuy and Cheshire like that.. especially since their not around to defend themselves! :Graucho

Normally I would be. But since they've been being investigated fore well over a year (stated earlier in this thread by someone else), then no, I'm not joking.

The police want the big fish and the "for sure" busts. Looks like they've been itching to bust this, the "rape girl" gave them the reason to.

We'll see what happens. But don't you start to wonder when various people are claiming that the studios have been under watch for some time now?

The answers to all the questions about the legalities, that youre wondering about, have been answered in a press release issued by the Sweet Entertainment Legal Department. You can find that statement here:

net pond dot com / messageboard
message #207346

Now, back to work, ya looky-loos! :eyecrazy

Wrong! The Regie du Cinema is a Provincial review board with no juridiction on a federal law such as obscenity ( criminal code, article 159 if I remember right).

I was busted by two cops who hated me ( had testified against them in a case involving "the Devil in Miss Jones") for showing a video approved by the board for "public viewing", charged, fingerprinted. my staff threatned, etc.

Lost in first instance, won on appeal . The Crown and the Queen did not elect to go to the Supreme Court. Cost me in 1985 about 30,000 legal fees ( including 2 shrinks, the head of the sexology department of U de M, the chairwoman of Fraser University - Vancouver), etc...

The standards are not just the local community, like you all think ( This is why I had that expert witness from Vancouver - the far end for us of Canada). The standards are nationwide.

The various review boards have different standards, but they are barelly a "good father" defense argument in such a case. So don't think because you got their little sticky sticker at 0.50 or 2.00 each that you are safe... YOU ARE NOT SAFE!

PRESS RELEASE: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Mr. Steve Sweet, President of Sweet Entertainment Group (SEG), and 3 other principals of the Corporation were charged on December 6, 2002 with 6 counts of obscenity based on 3 specific videos from the SadoSlaves.com Library.

SEG has not been charged with any criminal offense. Mr. Sweet has not been detained in this matter.

The Crown has alleged that Lexa Lords, Naughty Nikki and Mistress Twilight sadoslaves.com video episodes are obscene pursuant to s. 163 of the Criminal Code of Canada. Three counts allege that the accused "did make, distribute and circulate an obscene video" and three counts allege "did have in their possession for the purpose of publication, distribution and circulation, an obscene video."

It appears that the Crown is concentrating its efforts on the BDSM subculture by alleging that the material in question combines explicit sex with violence or torture or that the material is degrading and dehumanizing. The Crown has not to date provided particulars of what segment of the videos it regards as being obscene.

The charges stem from Vancouver Police Department raids on the premises of Sweet Entertainment Group that occurred on March 13, 2002 and second raid that occurred November 7, 2002.

A number of pre-charge applications and motions to Court have already been successfully brought by SEG resulting in Orders from both the Supreme Court of British Columbia and the Provincial Court of British Columbia for the return of SEG property.

The most recent decision from the Supreme Court of Canada regarding obscenity is a 1992 decision Regina v. Butler. Much has changed in the past 10 years, with the explosion of the Internet, the commercial availability of BDSM type content and the shift of community standards this past decade. Mr. Sweet has indicated that SEG will vigorously defend the charges. The case is far from trial and many matters remain to be dealt with. Of course, should the matter reach trial constitutional arguments regarding Freedom of Speech under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms will be at the forefront of what will likely prove to be a precedent setting case.

The maximum penalty under Canadian law for this offence is 2 years. A conviction generally results in a fine.

SEG will continue to provide cutting edge content to its many customers and carry on its operations as it rises to meet this legal challenge.


P. G. Kent-Snowsell, B.A. , LL.B.
Head of Legal Affairs
Sweet Entertainment Group

Got this press release off the pond....

(edit) woops, Brown Bear beat me to it

Yeah Matty..I see Lovematch is still around.

But his days are coming very numbered.

Has anyone seen those videos? What happens in them?

There must be something specific in those videos that is particularly obscene if they're the only videos (of all their content) that the police found to be illegal.

After a year long investigation they'd look pretty stupid to not come up with at least one thing they considered obscene. They've got to justify they money they've spent so far.

Why do I have the image of Rosco P. Coltrane rummaging through computer files in my head? Coo coo coo.