I agree you have to cover your ass, but the bigger you become the harder it gets. There are too many ways to make mistakes in this biz. And at some poiint everyone who is a player or has been here long will fuck up eventually. It happns to everyone.

I went to Sweet's office the other day man I find this very hard to believe it just is not true. Man I have seen his stuff it is very good and in no way degrading. Sweet if you guys want me to put a good word in call I will be there. I have seen things that will make anyone puke "cocktails" extreme productions for example and it found here in Vancouver. I guess it went through because that is Extreme. Man Sweet is tame very TAME compared to what is on the market.

Thanks JR, I was curious why KB was bringing us into this myself, and we've never put up a "weed" site...he doesn't really make any sense. Our "teeny" site is doing just fine though, and still completely legal, in case he was wondering about that. See ya!

Fair enough.. thanks for the 411/

Jade Dear,

"I was curious why KB was bringing us into this myself, and we've never put up a "weed" site...he doesn't really make any sense. "

I guess it made no sense that Bruce (RIP) and Adam both told me they were sharing CONTENT THAT YOU WERE SHOOTING FOR HERBAL HO?"

Maybe ya didn't put it up, but it doesn't mean you didn't shoot it...

I still have a copy of a video where Frankie asks all the girls sitting around a Hookah what their real names are and what they were doing........

I can't imagine how someone like that could possibly get in any trouble.......ROFLMAO!

So what's the revised story Jade?

Did you shoot smoking weed content in the US with REAL weed?

Let's see who makes sense now.........:glugglug

Always remember...the police and the government always arrest you and take all your shit first. Then afterwards when it turns out nothing was wrong you're still screwed. Equipment damaged, reputation hurt. And by reputation I don't mean are the Sweets good guys to hang out with. I mean most webmasters are gonna see this and pull their traffic from Sweet which sucks for them.
As far as people wondering if they really raped or tortured any of the girls.....I seriously doubt it. They make way too much money to not have model releases. And if any of you have ever shot content before you know that the girls are in it to get paid. Most of them are strippers (at least all the ones I shot pics of). As far as the "storyline" of Sweet's content...I hear everyone voicing their opinion about whether they are degrading, humiliating, or implying a "rape" scenario (which by the way they don't, but they do make it look like the girl isn't liking it...which I have no problem with, hell I love it when my old lady tells me "It hurts" heh-heh). Personally I think the whole thing is ridiculous. That would be like the police arresting Sylvester Stallone for "killing" so many people in his Rambo films! Think about it, T.V. and movies depict graphic rape scenes but you don't see them getting arrested! The reality is the authorities there just don't like having a big porn company based there and are trying to make them close down. Personally I would pack my shit and leave. There are plenty of nicer places to live...no offense to you people from Vancouver. But if I were the Sweets I'd get out of there and move to Vegas or L.A.
Anyway, what happened to them can happen to any of us anytime the govt. decides to fuck you.

Brad if you feel so strongly why did you move your filming operations to Vancouver? And why did you do it after Sweet was being recognized for their success. Surely if you felt that Sweet was pushing the limits for some time and this was inevitable then as an astute businessman you would have backed off and relocated to another area - or not even have started filming here in the first place. Since you have felt this way for awhile you couldn't possibly have been clueless about the sort of content being produced here.

And if you are so good at making sure you never push any limits what are you worried about? Do you have anything to be worried about?

Or are you just on here bitching up a storm about Sweet because you're hoping for more exposure/traffic to your own sites?

If you had ongoing issues with Sweet you can always pick up the phone as well. You have Steve's tel# and you can call him anytime! Infact feel free to call him anytime - I'm sure he'd be happy to hear from you.

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Thats actually very said to here? I never made a penny from them
nor ever tried,but, still seeing there in my town and local..
I never like to here shit like that? I allways thought it would be
easier to run your bussiness outta canada other than the strict
laws outside this country unlike uncle sams back yard.. what a shame!

Also am I missing something here?

When did Tom get married?

Hey KB! How the hell are you?

Jeeze! Give me a call since you seem to know more about our case than we do!

Yep! Sill here - Still in business - Still producing and marketing quality legal images - Still at the same phone number you always have called me at!

I see you are still exacting your revenge at Ynot every chance you get.

Look forward to hearing from you again soon!

So basically the Sweet Entertainment Group seems to be admitting to doing all this shit? Because that's what your post is tantamount to. Again...for the sake of your legal matter SHUT THE FUCK UP. Face it...you're fucked....and all you're doing now is digging a wider hole....

The evidence isnt just in the Vancouver Police Department evidence room. Its on every one of your sites. If they can tie any of your customer accounts to any resident of British Columbia, you are going to be facing massive fines and possibly worse. Your content is illegal in British Columbia. If that content has been distributed to a resident of British Columbia, you are guilty.

Its not about driving traffic or getting exposure. Its about staying within the law of your jurisdiction. Your company obviously has failed to do that - THIS IS A YEAR LONG INVESTIGATION, not some "lets bust the pornographers" and get our faces in the press deal.

And whats worse, you've jeopardized the entire Vancouver Webmaster scene. Let's hope the majority of content producers of Vancouver conduct themselves in a less-attention getting manner then your organization. And by less attention getting...I mean... selling legal content.

PORNOGRAPHERS RULE #101: IF IT AINT LEGAL WHERE YOU PRODUCE IT, DONT PRODUCE IT.

Mikey-

always a pleasure......

Although the YNOT thing was a cheap shot. They would probably like yuo to think this is a way of taking out frustration but the point is.....

I have nothing to gain posting this thread I am not touting any programs, nor am I selling any content. I am just a person who is sick and tired of watching hypocrisy in this business as well as the cultivation of ignorant newbies making wrong assumptions about everything in this business...

I will save you the rant but I'd love to show this entire web community how many webmasters have gone to other web boards with their well wishing of Steve Sweet. I applaud THAT.

What I don't applaud is that in most of these cases these are the same guys who said DOWN WITH MAX HARDCORE.

Now Mikey- YOU MAKE GREAT CONTENT no doubt. CD Babes wouldn't be around this long if you weren't a NICE GUY.

I only see one fact that is paramount im both cases and that is what is considered obscenity by "community standards"

Now I ask you Mikey did you ever feel you have pushed the envelope?

Do you stick power tools in your models?

I can tell you this much - when my buddy Al sold Pure Candy Images to Brad Shaw I think he knew what was up two years ago being that he is in the Bible belt...

Mikey let's agree that most content providers have procrastinated in taking care of keeping their homes clean even AFTER your case and Max 's there are still plenty who are very naive.

I hate the sense of apathy that has been cast upon this business.

So, AM I being too hard on your buddies Mikey? Or am I calling a SPADE A SPADE?

Did FM help you financially with your CASE? Does he ask for media attention regarding it?

I respect yuo Mikey more than most but respect I ain't no dummy either :thumbsup

Also you posting for the first time here is a dead giveaway someone tipped you off from another board to start some shit with me....fair enough

However if you notice did I refernce your case Mikey?

"It seems KB knows more about our case than us"
No I said YNOT comes to the aid of people in trouble but what EXACTLY DO THEY DO?

What does the FREE SPEECH COALITION DO if it happens to someone in OUR BACKTARD?

Mikey? you have an answer?

Please tell me, that you DON'T believe everything you read in print... Maybe you should take a gander at the old Luke Ford site.. I think he said the sky was falling several times, and yup some folks believed it.... Guess they shouldn't have believed what they saw in print...


the article also states:
One victim who has stepped forward says she was raped, beaten and degraded by a man at the porn studio during taping. Police are urging other victims to contact them.


Man, I shudder to think how many content producers face this same posibility DAILY... Man... she was degraded at a porn shoot, well shut my mouth...



You Just GOTTA LOVE the posturing done by police and reporters with nothing better to do with their time....

:winkwink:

Hmmm! Well you hit the nail on the head KB! Community Standards! What are they? Where are they defined? Am I to be forced to live my life based on what my neighbor believes in?

The obscenity laws the way they are written are so unconstitutional it's pathetic! I think we can all agree on that. But how many people here are willing to stand up and take a proactive stance to have them changed? Or will we continue to cower to the religious minority who with distorted facts push to shut our industry down.

Where would we be if Rosa Parks never sat in the front of the bus and the freedom riders never took the stance they did? Did they push the envelope? Damn right she did!

Do I push the envelope? What is the envelope? I practice my vision of common sense!

Do I use power tools in my models? All Depends, The usually use the drilldo themselves and all have found it very stimulating. Would an electric fuck machine be considered a power tool? I know, I drifted here :-) and I will reserve comment on this until I see the scene and am better educated to answer that.

But again, What happens behind closed doors among consenting adults should be the rule!

As far as the so called hypocrasy, most of what I saw on Max Hardcore was directed at the garden hose issue and the health and well being of the model involved.

Now as far as content providers procrastinating in taking care of keeping there houses clean, were back to defining the law and the envelope issue.

Americans in there quest for space put human life at risk and pushed the envelope on a daily basis. Every day of our lives people in both mainstream and adult push the envelope to develope new and better products.

Of course there is a much bigger issue here and that is the law itself, and the real agenda of the way the law is written and enforced. It is written nowhere that it is against the law to insert a power tool into an oraface! It is written nowhere that it is against the law to bind a womans breasts with rope! ect. ect.

But if a lil old lady from down the road has a problem with it, the state will bring there evidence to a Grand Jury and present a one sided case in which you have no opportunity to defend and obtain an indictment. Do you belive this to be just and fair? And even when you win the case keep this in mind, our lawmakers have enacted laws to protect those who have brought these charges against you from any possible recourse no matter how bad they have destroyed your reputation and standing in the community.

So Whether it be a webmaster forum lashing out or a webmaster posting support - Different strokes for different folks :-)

What I am still attempting to figure out is that in your last post you say I make great content and am a nice guy but in your original post you group me the the statement of "those who are dirty" and "always in trouble" ?????

We'll have to have a cup of coffee some time and discuss that one!

As far as issues of who supported us finacially? Ynot spearheaded a defense fund and a few individual webmasters chose to donate! FM made a substantial purchase of our content at a critical time when we needed expert witnesses. Others not affiliated with Ynot sent or offered support each in there own ways. I will forever be in there gratitude!!!!

Have a GREAT evening.

Just watched the news and some lame ass reporter from Global came sniffing around.2 Girls, The receptionist and ,I guess office manager told him to basically fuck off.Looks like even though there was a raid,they havent shuttered up the place.I'm sure they probably will get a small fine and it will be buisness as usual soon.Just look at our laws regarding Pot..and the potential legalization.Yes completely differant but our laws are actually quite tame for criminals.Some kid kicked and punched a man to death on New Years eve and received 5 years in jail.Do you think they would seriously jail pornographers? I'm betting a fine of maybe $25 k-100 k tops including attorney fees.

ah, spoken from the mouth of someone who's never been investigated to audited...it's no fucking picnic believe me...what would you do if they came to YOUR place, accused AND took your computers, files, paperwork, etc. How are you going to keep doing business? What if they are slow and drag things out? How long would you be able to sustain yourself while they investigated? Don't forget the fun of explaining to family and friends why you're being investigated....do you have kids? Imagine the fun they'll have in school explaining why their daddy was arrested...

Mikey,

I cannot agree with you more, and never have a I read a more literate post on this board.

I mean that ! Mikey I never called you "dirty" The exact quote is that YNOT is always sticking up for the guy in "trouble"...

After considering many of the aspects of my post I made here it got me to thinking several things

First, I have been too hard on YNOT. Do they do great things for many webmasters, yes. Are they the BEST BOARD IN TOWN, hell if I know....to each their own. We each share an opinion of what WE value to be right, and what is wrong.

Do I think YNOT BOB's show sucks....yes. That's my opinion, I can't listen to it, but that's my opinion. Hell did anyone learn anything new today from Steve? It wasn't really a smart move to go anywhere and talk publically about the case so other than well wishers ,was it scoop? How manty deals get done on that webmaster show any one here have a success story of a webmaster who threw them a ton of biz while listening to social distortion? ...hey maybe I am wrong.

This is clearly a crazy nutty line to define...what is wrong .

I think that a lot of people who have stood up for the Sweets while trying to behead Max should be shot...for two reasons first you all convict these people in your minds before they are even tried..second, it is almost soap boxish how some of these people use this press to prmote their wares....shame on those of you who did this and YOU know who you are!

How come so many people are strong in their beliefs that child porn is wrong or that bestiality is wrong...seems to be very overwhelmingly a negative response you get from people-when asked about it. I think in most countries girls have sex under the age of 18 every day , insome cases it's the norm, or it's customary.

What happens when Namibia gets DSL? SERIOUSLY think about that! Ok that is underage and we can talk ad nauseum about that.

I think a lot of people will tell you that rape scenes hardly qualify as tasteful erotica , but who can really decide...Seen RAPE scenes beautifully acted out and executed in mainstream films...how come no pressure there?

All I know is this, people know when they are walking a fine line bewteen right or wrong ask my friends who are doing time for slinging drugs...they knew the risks going into it...how many of these people who rolled in dough put their money away for the defense should that time come? NONE. Who do you think they call when they need to be bailed out...not me. I had enough of the stories of them buying homes and sportscars with illegal profits and rubbing it in other's faces was it kharma?

Hey there is no doubt that the bigger you become the bigger target you are...ask Joe E ask RB, FM, JB if that's true....

I see some parallels there.

I will say that I take back the comment about YNOT NOT helping out financially to webmasters in need. They do all they can I suppose.

I just snapped today when I read such hypocrisy across every board regarding this matter. Look , I call Steve a friend, we used to be real tight back in the early days. We remember when each other were broke....I don't wish negative vibes on anyone man, it isn't good for the Chi. I wish Steve well , even if Steve called me on the phone I'd wish him well does he think I am talking shit?

I hope not, because Steve do wish you well, and I'd tell ya that I DO think you know you pushed the envelope...we all try do to that sometimes. Ok no more from me, I am going back to enjoying the cold of Cleveland

Mike Fold, YOU OUT HERE? I need a cocktail!

Right Gary?

Mikey you are a gentleman and a scholar- never intended to get ya hot :-)) I think you know I am an emotinal cat that is wound a little too tight these days.
Between the Bunnyranch.net thing this week on HBO, My radio show ( which is cancelled tomorrow) behindtheporn.com.

Gary- I am a man....:glugglug

In the words of a Wise man, blah blah fucking BLAH.....

I'm going to bed folks, been a long couple of days, I could write a novel here and address the issues brought up, but no point..

I WILL say, that the "righteous" ones who come here to Throw stones, should perhaps look in their OWN back yards...

Yes, Steve Sweet is a friend of mine.. I am Honored to Know him and to be able to Call him My Friend.. Does he push the envelope? well, guess that depends on what you define as the envelope.. Do I agree with everything he does? Nope.. and I can assure you that he doesn't always agree with me...

However, I ALSO know our Attorney General John Ashhahahahaha, grew up and went to school with his kids.. and to the Americans in here with holier than thou attitudes... Well, all I can tell you is that Mr. Ashhahahahaha is a man who when elected Governor REFUSED to dance at his inaugurational ball, as he considers DANCING to be Lewd and suggestive and any sexual act other than the missionary position in total darkness and under the cover of blankets, to be OBSCENE.... Now, he's been a bit distracted from our industry for awhile, but I wouldn't be holding my breath for that to continue...



Next story please?
Just hope the person or company in Question isn't one of you...

:sleep

KB honey, Just to make this VERY clear before I go to bed, my post there was in NO WAY aimed at you.. we must have been typing at the same time :)


Love you!!

Anyone that has ever even been in a fight realizes it may seem like a long time but it is no where near 5 minutes long.... Go back to your keyboard, warrior. :winkwink:

People are always pushing the existing boundaries in art and entertainment. They always have and they always will.

Many people in America thought Larry Flynt was a scum and a monster when he was on the cutting edge, now, in retrospect, he's a hero.

That's the way the world spins. If you don't like it, get off. :)

This is assuming we're talking about consenting adults and BDSM/fantasy, not actual illegal acts.

Well said - esp since I am much happier being a "warrior" then another mouthy "keyboard warrior" such as yourself.....

And thanks for sharing facts with me on fighting. I know to take everything you say as gospel after you're great attempt at saying you've seen a picture of me. You haven't even seen a picture of me, you just assumed it was me! Great work sherlock....! What else do you have to shoot from the hip from with now besides your marvelous witt?

Not too much really, I'd rather have people think of me as a keyboard warrior instead of having my name dragged through the mud by webmasters and the media (real name and screenname) as scum

good to see you back on the boards and good luck in the legal battle to come.

My guess is that seg is going to be the test case for a pile of charter and other legal issues - if seg fights it.

In the the keyboard warriors' rush to judgement on this board they seem to have forgotten the cardinal legal principle of innocent til proven guilty.

I think everything will pan out. Great to see you here on the board man. Shows dignity.

Snow

stupidity if you ask me,a messageboard discussion/fight would be the last thing on my mind at this point... Like somebody said,I'm sure all of this is being seen... Momma taught me to lay low when I'm in trouble :glugglug

good luck nonetheless,well not goodluck..if you're innocent goodluck...if you aren't hmm...goooood luck! lol

Dignity?

:1orglaugh

It occurred to most of the people reading this board that there's at least one idiot and at least one moron responding to your posts???

Personally I figure it's the Sweets business and unless anyone here is stepping up to pay their attorney fees or claim ownership of their business then what does it matter? If you don't do business in Canada, it doesn't matter a fuck all, that's what.

Hmmmm. I think it was another of those damn Vancouver guys that said you have all the morals you can afford...

Let's see whose living on borrowed dimes.

If you're worried about webmasters and the media dragging your name through the mud you're in the wrong industry.....

Talk is cheap and easy. There is no respect for someone who is all talk and no action.

vittually EVERY paysite out there has canadian clients and thus does business in canada.

The sexyest salesgirls in the history.

I find it very interesting that people are all giving their two cents worth based on the media's reports and nothing more. Since most of you think that SEG has been shut down, that there is no one left working at the studio and that they are most likely all in jail, I would suggest that no one knows what is really going on and that you should most likely keep your mouths and opinions to yourselves.
Besides that, everyone has a lot to gain if the Sweets are successful in arguing the case in the courts. It means that you wont have to stop being cheap-asses and pay for the legal fees yourselves because they will have paid it all. BradShaw should be a happy little bunny in that case since he will be able to keep following in our footsteps. How convenient for him.

:321GFY

I mean a physical presence in Canada. Having surfers from Canada is just like having surfers from Guam, it's nice that they paid but it makes no difference in the issue.

When the news reports say they are investigating the Sweets client database, one figures it is their webmaster client base buying content, not the surfer who's tossed out 30 bucks for a membership.

Dignity, but a lack of common sense.

The courts do not look kindly upon arrogance - which is exactly what this dude is doing....acting arrogant...and he's getting some really bad advice by continuing to come in here and talk shit.

I find it laughable that people defend others on the basis of whether or not they've had a drink with them. This entire matter is sad and has brought shame unto the webmaster community.

Those who suggest the "community standards are outdated" model can't even stay focused on why they suggest that model as they bounce between "art is pushing boundaries" and "this is okay because the technology is here and the laws can't keep up with us".

I'd like to find one person who is reasonably familiar with Sweet content AND the laws of the province of British Columbia, Canada who would be willing to say that Sweet content was legal.

There are STRICT provisions here against exactly what was being produced. They've pissed off a stream of the WRONG people in Vancouver by operating outside the bounds of the law.

Because someone drives traffic to your site does not mean they are a good or legal company. Why is this so difficult to see? I guess the bling bling lifestyle is so important to some of you out there that you cant see the true underlying problem with this whole matter.

Did SEG ever once think about the individuals and other companies they were jeopardizing because of their incessant need to break the law? This is a company that put its business partners - other webmasters - at great risk.

And what's laughable now....

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Taken from SEG's http://westcoastwebmasters.com/

Concept:
?Promote professional and ethical standards in the Adult Entertainment Industry

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If I could write a letter to SEG:

Dear Representatives of Sweet Entertainment Group...

Instead of baiting others to physically fight you, could you clarify please the exact Professional and Ethical Standards SEG was adhering to when they chose to subject every Sweet business partner to a great deal of unnecessary scrutiny? And just so you know...that's a rhetorical question...meaning we all know the answer to it already.

I actually have no respect for producers of illegal content.

fuck...

our local rag and had a few column inches devoted to the seg case this morning.

aside from making sure that the principals in SEG had their full and proper names 'outed', most of the article was addressed to the evils of SEG.

It was absolutely amazing... change a few words here and there and i could have been reading an article about the evils of prostitution or drugs or even masturbation.

the cops were certainly trying to put the worse spin possible on things by talking about 'SEG's tentacles' being worldwide and that we(the police) have SEG's entire customer list which we are investigating very closely.

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You Make alot of good points, its nice to see someone who actually takes time to generate a worthy post and makes sense of it!.. I wouldnt expect many responses from the "sweets" on it.

Quoted from Mrpopup:

Did SEG ever once think about the individuals and other companies they were jeopardizing because of their incessant need to break the law? This is a company that put its business partners - other webmasters - at great risk.


The interesting issue here is that it has not been proven that the law was broken. Even if someone has been charged, until they are proven guilty, it is assumed that they are not. Therefore what you are saying is that you are able to somehow determine that there is guilt without _any_ real facts, and that you somehow have enough legal expertise and knowledge to suggest that the Sweets are guilty. I would like to know what qualifications you have and who your sources are that have given you this so-called "accurate" information regarding this issue. If you are going by the sensationalized media information, then you are a bigger fool than you make yourself out to be online.
AND If you think that the issue will drop with the Sweet content, think again. The driving force of this and many other issues like gay rights comes directly from right-wing christian fundamentalists in a position of authority and they will not stop untill everyone's rights are revoked when it comes to any issues that they feel is harmful to the community of "purity" they are trying to create. Yes, Einstein, that means that all porn is next. SO go ahead and start chewing down on the guys that are fighting for your rights. See how many of us are left standing when they have finished what they have started. Divide and conquer. Thats the name of the game. And the worst is that they dont have to lift a finger, they _know_ that if they attack one, the rest will get scared and start to attack their own. They just have to sit back and watch us implode.

Well, one thing is for sure, I was born free, and I will continue to be free, and if it means that I have to work at it, then so be it. And if you want to stick your head back up your ass and wait till that's all there is left, thats your deal. Just dont expect respect from me.

Judas Sweet.