[QUOTE]Originally posted by MrPopup
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Did SEG ever once think about the individuals and other companies they were jeopardizing because of their incessant need to break the law? This is a company that put its business partners - other webmasters - at great risk.


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I don't think you should be blaming your choice of business on anyone but yourself. Your trying to make yourself out to be a Flower shop, when you are really just a porn peddler like the rest of us. Sorry to break it to you, but your shit stinks too. If you wanted low-risk, stick to Royal Bank Balanced Funds. Not commodities.


Judas

:2 cents: Just my 2 cents.

If you are looking for a new content provider I suggest you try that Matthews guy, his stuff rocks.

Ours is not so bad so long as they keep me away from the camera.

HAPPY???

I do not know how the law is in Canada, but in England a bunch of Gays were prosecuted, convicted and imprisoned for shooting private BDSM videos. The charge was assault and the prosecution successfully argued you cannot give your consent to be assaulted.

If they were raided last year and charges were dropped be sure the police have stronger case this time and if it goes to court the prosecution is just going to show the jury their films. Then produce a few girls who say they did not expect it to go that far.

I also heard that they would only pay a model if she completed X number of scenes and did not fully explain what was involved until they started shooting.

You can bet your bottom $$ that the police are now going through the films and documents to find more girls to stand up in court.

But I say again the problem is for their clients who have their content. If it?s ruled to be obscene/illegal they are also guilty by producing it.

Half you guys are fucking stupid. Just 10 years ago the US gov was busting people left and right for hardcore porn. Just male/female action that got a little to hard but was still very safe for both.

Hustler many years back was considered EVIL because he showed the first Interracial shots, midgets, black lesbians, and even HARDCORE BDSM.

Because of Flint and many other companies we have hardcore porn now and the comunity standards have been raised.

My question is what gives YOU the right to judge what a person can look at. What gives you the right to choose what fetish a person likes.

Every single fetish other than real CP an death shit should be legal. It's your RIGHT as a human to look at whatever the fuck you want.


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As for the laws in Canada, read up. Creating hardcore BDSM is "NOT" illegal to produce within Canada. It is illegal to IMPORTANT any type of content where a girl looks to be in any type of pain but it's NOT illegal to export it.

Just like in the United States it's ILLEGAL to import hardcore porn videos. It happens, they don't inforce it but they could if they wanted to and they HAVE.

From what it sounds like the police are trying to get them for something 'illegal' based on what a model says.

The HARDCORE BDSM you guys keep talking about is a very easy issue and the sweets are NOT the first company to go through this same issue.

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If you want to know 90% of the HARDCORE sites located (even if you live outside the us) are ILLEGAL. Even MOST the people that shoot photo content shoot it in ILLLEGAL places. Only a few states have laws that allow content to be shot in some areas of the cities.

Hell in Texas it's illegal to own 6 or more dildos. If you have more you are brought up on charges to distribute illegal items.

Most states GAY actions are illegal as well as stimulation to your private areas.

You say they are pushing the limits but if you live in the states YOU are pushing the limit just by OWNING an adult site and working OUTSIDE a permited area of some cities. It was only once Clinton took office did companies finally start to produce more hardcore content. Which is why the INTERNET went BOOM.

Learn some before you open your traps. Without people pushing the limits in history we would still be sitting in fucking caves bashing our bitches over the heads with clubs.

What get's me is the 'MORAL VALUES' people bring up. Excuse me, don't you work in the fucking porn business?

Bravo!!!!
Bravo!!
I couldnt have said it better!
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Fight these fuckers Because they are playing for keeps!
We shall not crumble under the tyranny of others!
For their Tyranny is a Sign of their Weakness.

Reminds me of my buddy,The cops actually busted him and took his computer,modem.They claimed he accesssed child porn,but what happened somebody used his credit card # and purchased a membership to some kiddie shit.He swears he only had a membership to a normal site.He wound up without a computer, for about a month and wound up paying 1 k to a lawyer.Needless to say the cops found nothing.Just makes you kinda worried running any type of site that the RCMP will kick down your door and bust you because they have a suspicion.

Corrct me if I am wrong ... but aren't blow jobs and anal sex illegal in many States in the US?

Do you promote or use any of this type of content?

Anyone who hasn't figured out that if the Sweet's lose we are all going to be in a world of shit. If you think that the investigation is going to be limited just to Canada and that the US FEEBS aren't going to get involved you are making a big mistake.

This is going to be more about community standards and our ability to promote what is legal in our community though not somewhere else.

It isn't going to start that way...but I'd bet dimes to dollars that it will by the end.

:2 cents:

You're right bigman because I'm not legally allowed to talk about these points at this point in time. But the day will come when I can and we'll go over all this again...... :ticking

Massivecock has spoken.

The content you produce in your BC studios is illegal.

Breaking the law is bad for the entire business.

I can't wait to see how "cool" the judge thinks the Sweet family is in this matter. Maybe you can sway him by bringing him to one of those "private" parties the Sweet's have a reputation for in this city. Think he'll use that special wall with the hole in it?

Bottom line is SEG got greedy and felt they were above the law. You have a horrible reputation on the street, and now it is extended to a bad rep in the industry. You have brought undue and biased media focus on all facets of the business because of your greed and lack of respect for the law.

You're right when the media only tells half the truth. But the part they got right is that SEG has been in trouble for some time now, and this wasnt an ordinary bust.

The people who are sticking up for you are doing so because they arent privy to the political, legal, social, and economic climate of this city - of which you will be made a scapegoat, but for legitimate reasons.

Ha.... Finally taking the right advice and not talking.

You can bet this thread will make it into the court transcript.

I know where i'm moving too

MrPopup this just proves you talk out of your Ass. For someone who claims to know so much you don't even know who we are.

We don't throw private parties with glory holes....you are thinking of another Vancouver company entirely (Go speak to Mr. Shaw about that one, the guy who spent so much time bitching in this thread). In fact we don't hold private parties at all.

The only event we have is WestCoast Webmasters, which is well promoted and many people from GFY have attended over the years. The purpose of this event is to have some educational seminars for webmasters, and to help webmasters conduct business, esp here in the North West. There are no "sex shows" organized by the SEG staff - those events were all organized by other companies Privately.

I don't know what your beef with us is exactly besides the fact that you feel we've jepardized your business somehow - but we shoot content we believe in. That's it and thats all I have to say about it. If the heat of being in the Porn biz is too hot for you, leave. Because its only going to get hotter at the global level in the years to come....

And nothing we have done has been proven Illegal - once again out of the 1000s of CDs and 100s of computers that have been examined....only 3 scenes of one series have been called into question at this time.. THATS IT. Please read this again and work on comprehending it.....

How do you know if their content is illegal?

Have you read the updated Canada.com article where the police admit they were really looking for evidence of torture?

According to the article, they found none, and admitted SEG appeared to be running a professional setup, with all the required paperwork.

Instead of ending a year long investigation with nothing, they decided to charge them with 3 counts of obscenity after searching through their offices. Have they been convicted of those charges yet? No.

So only 3 specific instances of what the police deem to be obscenity in all of SEG's content? Seems like there should be more if they were running such a blatantly illegal operation.

Did you know that the police were tipped off by some guy named "Vinnie" in the UK that SEG were involved in torture?

What happened to the model that supposedly came forward saying she had been tortured/raped? Do you think maybe the police figured out she was a crack whore looking for a meal ticket? if not, why have they not been charged with something?

This is obviously a witch hunt.

You sir are incredibly ignorant and arrogant at the same time. I for one hope this entire thread is used to educate webmasters how NOT TO ACT.

On this one, I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong - but only because I'm relying on my memory. I seem to remember a thread with pictures from the WEST COAST WEB MASTERS event with some pretty fucking outrageous pics. Might have been a "glory hole", maybe not - However, the images were taken down almost as soon as they went up so I can no longer offer this proof.

Originally posted by PaulSweet: "but we shoot content we believe in. That's it and thats all I have to say about it. If the heat of being in the Porn biz is too hot for you, leave. Because its only going to get hotter at the global level in the years to come...."

You still refuse to acknowledge the jeopardy you placed thousands of webmasters in, not to mention the shit your company caused in the local industry by continuing to be as brash and cocky as ever. And it makes me howl with laughter as you continue to stick your foot in your mouth every time you say "we were only charged with three counts of obscenity"... SO if you are admitting that you may have done something illegal...or at least admitting the police are suggesting you have done something illegal...how can you even stand up for your content? YOU ARE SELLING WEBMASTERS ILLEGAL CONTENT. By doing so, and circuitously admitting to it, you are owning up to the FACT that you dont give a fuck about your webmasters. Thats the worst part of your WHOLE operation and the very reason I object to your organizations whole defensive stance in this matter.

Courtesy SweetLoads.com, an SEG flagship property:
http://sweetloads.com/d/sweetloads/i.../lrg_drill.jpg

What you publish is hate...pure and simple. Simulated rape propogates hatred and violence toward women. Section 319 of the Criminal Code says the wilful promotion of hatred is a crime punishable by up to two years in jail. Of course, it'll take years of courtroom squabbling to get that properly defined so I don't doubt that you and your lawyers will squeak away from that one.

I'm just trying to ensure the survival of this industry. When an organization continues to operate outside of legal limits of the law, they cause harm to individuals who wish to operate within the law. When sexual predators continue to abuse women in the manner you and your "sweet family" does, it gives a reason for right wing organizations and the crazy religious groups to begin attacking pornography and erotica again.

Ultimately the SWEET defense is embarassing at best, pathetic at worst. The transparent notion that you guys are a bunch of renegade crusaders for free speech and revised technology laws in Canada is clearly a joke once you encounter the first sweet site.

Your success in this industry is not because you are some unique groundbreakers - nope, you are just greedy - and you've proven nothing to anyone interested in maintaining some sort of integrity in this industry. Who knows, maybe I'm a lone voice on this one...
but I dont care because I know what I hear on the streets and in the bizness...the local webmaster trade hates you (unless of course they're pimping your illegal product), and your talent hates you.....thats evidence enough for me of your supposed ethics that you try to portray at the western webmasters shows.

Ethics, honesty, and trust are the most valued assets a business IN ANY INDUSTRY can have. Your statement: "If the heat of being in the Porn biz is too hot for you, leave." indicates to me that these principles do not exist within your company. Its typical bully talk by people who know they have done something wrong (and in this case ILLEGAL), but can't find anything valid to say. It translates to "Yeah, we make money, so we are legitimate. We make more money then you so we must be more legitimate. You couldn't possibly know what you are talking about"

So in summary, I have no beef with anyone in the Sweet family. I do on the other hand wish to see legitimate honest companies continue to do well and operate within the law. I also wish that FOR ONCE people would begin to see that the only way to ensure the survival of this bizness is to weed the bad apples out.

"And it makes me howl with laughter as you continue to stick your foot in your mouth every time you say "we were only charged with three counts of obscenity"... SO if you are admitting that you may have done something illegal...or at least admitting the police are suggesting you have done something illegal...how can you even stand up for your content?"


Do you think the police are going to walk away from a year long investigation into unfounded torture accusations without charging SEG with something in the hopes that it would stick?

Especially since they have totally disrupted their business and spent hundreds of thousands of tax payer dollars on this investigation.

You think police don't make mistakes or try to cover things up when they fuck up?

There is a local case where they exercised a search warrant on a house they thought was a drug house, they busted in and killed the person's dog. Turns out they had the wrong house. Now they are trying to keep this lady's lawyer from obtaining information about the case.

Police fuck up all the time, and when they do, they would prefer to come out smelling like a rose just like anyone else. They're not going to walk away from a case like this without pressing charges even if they know they are unfounded.

"You have brought undue and biased media focus on all facets of the business because of your greed and lack of respect for the law."

If you have done nothing wrong, let the media focus on your bussiness because nothing will happen to you. If anything all the media hype may make bussiness better. It will help bleed out any illegal sites/content so it is safer for us to buy content and safer for surfers trying to find a site that isn't illegal. Also, media coverage of the adult industry will promote more customers as I see it. Think about it. When OJ was charged everyone was paying attention to him, and during this whole thing everyone wanted OJ t-shirts, mugs, etc etc. This is a good thing. Too bad it may ruin the Sweet Family's buisiness and reputation, but if infact they were breaking the law, thats the bed they made... so now they got to lie in it. If anything, this whole ordeal will make us all pay more attention to federal and local laws regarding the adult industry. I'm prolly wrong to say this but, I'm glad the Sweet Brothers got busted for the reason that it will put more law enforcement attention on the illegal sites and content. Legit law abiding adult biz's will stand up strong and benefit from all this shit.

iwantchixx

A lot of sense in so few words. :thumbsup

Regardless of whether you've done anything wrong or not. Media spin can be very damaging publicity to anything and anyone. All it takes is a reporter looking for revenge or fame by 'standing up for morals' and talking bad about the industry.