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gideongallery 11-21-2009 01:35 PM

you are so fucking close to the correct answer, if you were truely creative instead of just a successful copycat of other peoples idea you would have gotten it by now.

iaccess 11-24-2009 10:21 AM

In my experience people will always try to get shit for free, they will search for hours just to save a dime. When you have sites like p0rnhub and myfr33pays1te.com out there that list very high in google, people just wont look any further. They beat off 5 minutes, cum and come back to that free site a week later to beat it another 5 minutes.

The only way I see you can get someone to actually pay for porn is if you have very specific niched content and even then you`re limiting your market because only a fraction of porn viewers will like your niche.

I found this thread very interesting just wanted to add my :2 cents:

gaffg 01-23-2010 05:56 AM

I would say cam sites would be a great biz to get into.

The Porn Nerd 01-29-2010 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 16417871)
The reason I say the economy isn't the main problem is my own experiences before through a bad economy. All facets of the entertainment business always have a great rise in sales in tough economic times.

It's happening now in every other form of entertainment EXCEPT porn. For the first time in history...the majority of people are aware that porn is now free. It never was like this before. We've had higher unemployment, higher interest rates, etc. Even a nightmare of a "gas crisis" in the 1970's. But porn and every other form of entertainment broke records for sales during those times.

But not now.

I have to admit that I'm a bit baffled that you and many other smart people don't think that having the product available for free and to everyone and that knowledge being widespread in the mainstream population would have this devastating effect.

I saw this happening a year ago. Claudia-Marie.Com took off from day one. It fulfilled it's target audience's needs perfectly.

Then sales started dropping off. Rebills started dropping off. Instead of growing it started going sideways.

That is when I started investigating and opened my eyes. When I was able to download my entire members area for free in a thousand different places...I knew what the problem was. And the fact that the links were posted on every big tit surfer forum out there told me that my target audience was getting it for free.

Once I got that under control, our sales and rebills returned to normal and it has been good times at Claudia-Marie.Com ever since.

The economy hasn't slowed us down one bit. But piracy sure as hell did. That's what I saw with my own two eyes. Hell, when I first started seeing the newscasters proclaiming we were going into a recession...I was telling everyone that the porn biz was about to enter a new golden age because people look for an escape from their worries.

But piracy stepped in at just the right moment to destroy that.

Honestly, I don't envy you with opening something new. Yes, you can do it if you're smart and bust your ass and maybe even listen to my experience and use that to jump ahead of the learning curve. But with so much free porn out there now, and so many people out there convinced that all porn is now free...it's a tough sell. I wish you luck, and remind you that to be successful you're gonna need to make your own luck.

Hi Robbie,

We're about set to launch the re-designed PeabodyCash and guess what? Unlike in october, when some of my models were dis-interested in going to a 'streaming-only' member's area NOW they are changing their tune. So I want to go 'streaming-only' for Fellucia Blow especially. Any advice in that area would be grand. I'm worried that, with the new affiliate program launching soon, if sales/rebills fall because of the points you made (and continue to make) that the pie will shrink for everyone.

Anyway, I've monitored what you've done to Claudia-Marie over the past year or more, and highly respect the courage it took to take such leaps (of faith and technology). So I'm convinced your direction is the one to take. :)

Lassitor 01-30-2010 10:51 AM

I don't know why some people here think that the adult "Porn" biz is different from any other business. When there is a recession or depression the crap businesses that had nothing really to offer are often the first to go. Even in Mainstream entertainment I have seen loads companies that offer nothing original and just recycle other peoples work go out of business.

For those who are creative and original they will remain in business.
For those who are just trying to ride on the coattails of others, you will go out of business.
For those who are innovative and resourceful you will stay in business,
For those who are lazy and angry, you will go out of business.

Simple rules, but true for any business.

Robbie 02-01-2010 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lassitor (Post 16798141)
I don't know why some people here think that the adult "Porn" biz is different from any other business. When there is a recession or depression the crap businesses that had nothing really to offer are often the first to go.

Because the entertainment industry has always thrived during hard economic times. I explained that pretty thoroughly in my original posts. Porn is entertainment. Entertainment is NOT like any other business.

Just like in the early 1980's...the bar business is booming as folks will drop $100 + a night partying, movie theaters are setting records (and it costs more than a hundred bucks to take a family to the movies and hit the concession stand)...and yet people can't afford $30 for a full month membership?

I speak from experience here. If it were not for the fact that everybodies work is available for FREE we would be in a much different situation right now.

The music industry was completely destroyed by piracy. And that happened during a booming economy. Find your nearest record store if you don't believe me...oh, that's right, there aren't any. NONE.

Same thing is happening to the adult industry. Whether you believe it or not.

I played in bands professionally from 1978 to 1998 and I was there in the packed clubs playing and making great money all through the recession of the early 1980's.

There's a reason why people don't buy porn like they used to. Pretty simple to figure out really...nobody wants to pay for something that is free. :(

Lassitor 02-01-2010 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 16801460)
Because the entertainment industry has always thrived during hard economic times. I explained that pretty thoroughly in my original posts. Porn is entertainment. Entertainment is NOT like any other business.

Just like in the early 1980's...the bar business is booming as folks will drop $100 + a night partying, movie theaters are setting records (and it costs more than a hundred bucks to take a family to the movies and hit the concession stand)...and yet people can't afford $30 for a full month membership?

I speak from experience here. If it were not for the fact that everybodies work is available for FREE we would be in a much different situation right now.

The music industry was completely destroyed by piracy. And that happened during a booming economy. Find your nearest record store if you don't believe me...oh, that's right, there aren't any. NONE.

Same thing is happening to the adult industry. Whether you believe it or not.

I played in bands professionally from 1978 to 1998 and I was there in the packed clubs playing and making great money all through the recession of the early 1980's.

There's a reason why people don't buy porn like they used to. Pretty simple to figure out really...nobody wants to pay for something that is free. :(

Well, in the early 80's Disco was the rage...The scene was totally different back then too. Us kids pirated Music on our cassette tapes but the real action was on the disco floor.

Today bars thrive when they innovate and change with the times. Karaoke, sports bars, theme bars are doing well.

There are plenty of Used and New record stores that allow the customer to trade old for credits for new. Record stores also adapt with the times too.

Porn simply needs to adapt. Who ever does 3D porn is going to make a billion really fast, I mean a live action 3D, not avatar 3D. There is probably a thousand ways to innovate the porn industry where even if the content is stolen and out there for free, the customer will still come to our sites for the experience of it.

Well, that is my :2 cents:

The Porn Nerd 02-01-2010 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 16801460)
Because the entertainment industry has always thrived during hard economic times. I explained that pretty thoroughly in my original posts. Porn is entertainment. Entertainment is NOT like any other business.

Just like in the early 1980's...the bar business is booming as folks will drop $100 + a night partying, movie theaters are setting records (and it costs more than a hundred bucks to take a family to the movies and hit the concession stand)...and yet people can't afford $30 for a full month membership?

I speak from experience here. If it were not for the fact that everybodies work is available for FREE we would be in a much different situation right now.

The music industry was completely destroyed by piracy. And that happened during a booming economy. Find your nearest record store if you don't believe me...oh, that's right, there aren't any. NONE.

Same thing is happening to the adult industry. Whether you believe it or not.

I played in bands professionally from 1978 to 1998 and I was there in the packed clubs playing and making great money all through the recession of the early 1980's.

There's a reason why people don't buy porn like they used to. Pretty simple to figure out really...nobody wants to pay for something that is free. :(

Before I started in this crazy business I was in the music industry for fifteen years, as a journalist for Rolling Stone and Billboard and Spin (and about twenty others) and as an A&R exec at Atlantic Records (and a short stint in Publicity for Polygram).

I wrote an article in 1999 called 'What the Record Industry Should Do RIGHT NOW To Stop The Next Napster'. Remember Napster? Well, there was about an eighteen-month window when the music biz got that site taken down, and everyone thought the threat was over. I knew better - perhaps because I was younger (then) than most of my collegues and more 'in touch' with this new thing called the World Wide Web.

Well, the point of the article was this: Every major label should start thier OWN download-only 'store' that sells their songs for a dollar apiece, or set a price for a full album below what a CD costs. Basically, everything that iTunes became just a few years after this. Did anyone listen? No. That article was written for an industry magazine, a place intended for professionals 'in the biz'. The feedback was immediate and overwhelming. Here's a small sample of the feedback I got back in '99:

'Shut the fuck up, we stopped Napster we'll stop anyone else that tries to steal our shit, you don't know what you're talking about, this will all blow over, the good times will return...'

Look around.

Not saying I'm a Genius, but after fifteen years in the music biz (starting when I was sixteen, BTW) and knowing hundreds of people in the industry, and having some level of respect based on my work, and STILL no one listened.

So Robbie is RIGHT y'all - which is why i comment so frequently on his posts. He doesn't have his head up his ass like so many.

So:
Go streaming only
fight the pirates
make money

ezgirl 02-01-2010 06:03 PM

I don't think the Industry is doing poorly because people have too much money. Since the only people working steadily with safe jobs are government employees maybe we should invent government porn.

Mock NyaMout 02-04-2010 04:16 AM

ummm
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ezgirl (Post 16803904)
I don't think the Industry is doing poorly because people have too much money. Since the only people working steadily with safe jobs are government employees maybe we should invent government porn.


you think ?:pimp

Desirae 02-17-2010 08:54 PM

Great Post!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 16417871)
The reason I say the economy isn't the main problem is my own experiences before through a bad economy. All facets of the entertainment business always have a great rise in sales in tough economic times.

It's happening now in every other form of entertainment EXCEPT porn. For the first time in history...the majority of people are aware that porn is now free. It never was like this before. We've had higher unemployment, higher interest rates, etc. Even a nightmare of a "gas crisis" in the 1970's. But porn and every other form of entertainment broke records for sales during those times.

But not now.

I have to admit that I'm a bit baffled that you and many other smart people don't think that having the product available for free and to everyone and that knowledge being widespread in the mainstream population would have this devastating effect.

I saw this happening a year ago. Claudia-Marie.Com took off from day one. It fulfilled it's target audience's needs perfectly.

Then sales started dropping off. Rebills started dropping off. Instead of growing it started going sideways.

That is when I started investigating and opened my eyes. When I was able to download my entire members area for free in a thousand different places...I knew what the problem was. And the fact that the links were posted on every big tit surfer forum out there told me that my target audience was getting it for free.

Once I got that under control, our sales and rebills returned to normal and it has been good times at Claudia-Marie.Com ever since.

The economy hasn't slowed us down one bit. But piracy sure as hell did. That's what I saw with my own two eyes. Hell, when I first started seeing the newscasters proclaiming we were going into a recession...I was telling everyone that the porn biz was about to enter a new golden age because people look for an escape from their worries.

But piracy stepped in at just the right moment to destroy that.

Honestly, I don't envy you with opening something new. Yes, you can do it if you're smart and bust your ass and maybe even listen to my experience and use that to jump ahead of the learning curve. But with so much free porn out there now, and so many people out there convinced that all porn is now free...it's a tough sell. I wish you luck, and remind you that to be successful you're gonna need to make your own luck.

I totally agree with your post here. It is sad, lame, and discouraging that here in GFY where "the industry meets" more people don't jump on board and discuss it further. I can't wrap my head around it. I would think that every single person in the adult industry would be fighting to defend their work. I know that so many in the adult industry feel that there is nothing to be done....Just because we produce adult material doesn't mean we deserve to be screwed over. I've been doing a lot of research- trying to make some sense of why this assault on the adult industry has been swept under the rug. I read a lot of posts from the public on certain articles and many of them believe that porn should be free. They are so damn used to getting everything for free that they can't even fathom paying. I remember when I first started my site I put up a 1-2 min teaser clip, my host at the time freaked out and said, "OMG! You are giving away the farm-I could cum to that!" I know there are still people paying for porn, but to say that it hasn't done damage is just ignorant. I appreciate a post like yours-it is refreshing to hear to say the least.

Desirae

Robbie 02-18-2010 02:10 AM

Thanks. And I like your site. I'm gonna sign up to promote it on my tgp's. :)

Desirae 02-18-2010 06:11 AM

cool
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 16861468)
Thanks. And I like your site. I'm gonna sign up to promote it on my tgp's. :)

That's terrific. Also if you would like for me to feature some of your amateur girls in my members area- let me know

Desirae:thumbsup

RycEric 03-15-2010 08:18 PM

Hey Robbie.. Duke. :winkwink:


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