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You can definitely expect more stories like this. Not because the flu shot causes this, but because people believe the flu shot can cause it.

The mind is a powerful thing. Placebos, for example, can cause actual physical improvement in people with an identifiable physical ailment. Acupuncture has positive effects even if you just poke people with toothpicks in random places. Homeopathy has positive effects even if people are really only getting water.

Normal IV fluid will decrease pain in patients if they think they are getting morphine, and patients used to getting morphine will actually have a physical reaction decreasing pain before they even get it.

Sadly, the reverse also holds true. People can develop actual physical symptoms merely through suggestion. Convince a million people that the glass of normal water they just drank contains arsenic and thousands will experience physical symptoms, dozens if not hundreds will develop actual physical symptoms, and a few may well die or sustain permanent disabilities.

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she getting crunk

thats why i dont get flu shots

Soooooooooooooooo wrong!

not sure if that is true...chk out this statement package from the CDC to doctors...it seems to contradict those statements.

http://www2a.cdc.gov/nip/isd/immtool...s/pinkbook.pdf

Nope, it says exactly what I said:

p 5: "Inactivated vaccines are not alive and cannot replicate."

Those are the killed ones I mentioned.

On the other hand, attenuated viruses can cause the disease:

p 5: "Live attenuated vaccines may cause severe or fatal reactions as a
result of uncontrolled replication (growth) of the vaccine virus."

Killed/inactive viral particles cannot cause the disease, but attenuated viral particles can - although it's quite rare, and the disease is typically less severe when it does happen.

Now, in the case of the flu vaccine, both variants are used. Killed virus for the shot, attenuated virus for the nasal spray:

p 5: "Currently available live attenuated viral vaccines include measles,
mumps, rubella, vaccinia, varicella, yellow fever, and influenza
(intranasal)."

p6: "Currently available inactivated vaccines are limited to inactivated
whole viral vaccines (influenza, polio, rabies, and hepatitis A)."

The woman in this story got the shot, which doesn't contain the live virus.

omg :Oh crap:disgust

Thanks my iq is 142. How bout 1 year from now I call you an idiot over and over and over again every time you post after its shown that ONCE AGAIN a bullshit "big scare" was showing to be nothing anyone really had to worry about as usual.


The short term memory of society in general is hysterical. Do you not see the patterns that repeat OVER AND OVER again? Year after year? Its comical.

No way in hell these motherfucker will shoot me with that shit. I'd rather die.

Hmm interesting.. if the idea behind this "vaccine" is to stop the spread why isn't Obama's kids getting it?

http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/...-against-h1n1/

After all shouldn't they take it for the "greater good" ?

So Libertine if you are so smart, and we should all "get in line" and protect all the weaker people, why in the fuck are Obama's kids that are healthy NOT getting the shot? Riddle me that med student of the year. :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh damn

The article explains why...it is not available to them...based upon their risk level. There is a shortage of the vaccine. Apparently you did not read the article or you have a very low comprehension level.

What is the "big scare" you keep referring to. There are already more people currently infected with H1N1 then there have been during the peak of the regular flu which past history shows is in January...and this is only October. If there is any "big scare" it is already upon us.

BTW...what IQ test were you given...by whom...where...and what did it cost you?

She didn't get a swine flu shot. Not sure why the OP said that.

poor girl.. but it was a seasonal flu shot not swine flu.. A 25 year old "healthy" girl had no business getting one anyway IMO. People need to stop getting flu shots if they are health and leave them for the sick and elderly.

No you haven't followed these threads I guess. I have been told over and over that EVERYONE should be getting one. Otherwise we put those that are weak at risk. Over and Over and Over and OVER again I've been told that. Its our "duty" to each get a shot to protect the weaker of the herd..... And did YOU read that

"The Centers for Disease Control recommend Children from 6 months through 18 years of age get the vaccine because cases of 2009 H1N1 influenza have been seen in children who are in close contact with each other in school and day care settings, which increases the likelihood of disease spread. "

The CDC recommends it.... http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/acip.htm

We were given iq tests every 2 years from 5th grade till I graduated in school. Didn't cost me a dime. How much did you pay for your new nick? lol

Unless you had some sort of bi polar change its no longer who it used to be posting. lol

Wow................

News...flash...those were not IQ tests that you were given. Most people have not had an IQ test. I have...when I was attending University...and I had to pay for it.

that is a crazy ass condition...

wondering how some kind bud would do? that is a serious question... if spasms occur in a certain direction kind bud could possibly cure the girl...

Your comprehension level is extremely low. I will try again...there is a very real shortage of the vaccine...states are only getting a fraction of what they need and what they are getting is going to the most at risk. I am satisfied that when it becomes available to them the Obama children will have the shot. In the local schools one out of every five students and teachers is out with the H1N1 flu. The H1N1 vaccine is not yet available in this area. Thus far there has not been any reported deaths.

News Flash our school did. I was in the gifted program so suck my balls. Do you think just because whatever school you were at didn't do iq tests that none do? Wow.. lmao

Yes and you CANNOT COMPREHEND that I am referring to what I was told over and over and over again the last few weeks that if everyone or the majority doesn't get the vaccine then we put all the weak ones at risk. We ALL needed to get the shot to protect the weaker. Now shut the fuck up till you catch up. No idea who bought that nick, but I have a few guesses.. lol


And Ill highlight this again as per what particular groups the CDC RECOMMENDS get vaccinated FIRST!!

"The committee recommended the vaccination efforts focus on five key populations. Vaccination efforts are designed to help reduce the impact and spread of novel H1N1. The key populations include those who are at higher risk of disease or complications, those who are likely to come in contact with novel H1N1, and those who could infect young infants. When vaccine is first available, the committee recommended that programs and providers try to vaccinate:

pregnant women,
people who live with or care for children younger than 6 months of age,
health care and emergency medical services personnel,
persons between the ages of 6 months through 24 years of age, and
people from ages 25 through 64 years who are at higher risk for novel H1N1 because of chronic health disorders or compromised immune systems.
The groups listed above total approximately 159 million people in the United States."

http://www.cdc.gov/media/pressrel/2009/r090729b.htm


Now that is what the CDC recommends.... how old are Obama's Daughters?

"Malia is 10 years old
Sasha is 7 years old"

Hmm 6 months to 24 years of age. Yet no shot.

To the best of my knowledge every state has annual or biannual testing of its students and they are not IQ tests...period. For about the third time...the vaccine is not available to the Obama girls...just like it is not available in my area at all for anyone. Just like you could not comprehend what Libertine was saying to you...you cannot understand what I am saying to you. I will guarantee you that you do not have an IQ of 142...and if you ever did...which you would not know from common school testing...drugs or booze has burned your brain cells out. This is the end of my conversation with you about this subject...you are now dismissed.

funny shit :)

It's not a shame in this case, it's a murderous travesty. It's like a vampiric pick pocket distracting their ignorant and uneducated host by vomiting into their gaping mouths.

The saddest thing is that they are receiving a vaccine... by absorbing this kind of tabloid media they are developing an incredible immunity to facts..

You crack me up.

Were you in the gifted program when you were in school? No? I was.

Just to show you what a fucking moron you are arguing with me about IQ testing. I am originally from PA.

"In Pennsylvania, a child with an IQ of 130 or higher must be offered gifted services, but other students can receive gifted services too. Delaware and New Jersey do not mandate gifted services for a specific IQ level."

http://www.metrokids.com/april08/gifted0408.html

I entered the gifted program around grade 5 after a parent teacher conference. I was constantly bored in school and the teacher thought it was cause I didn't want to learn. My parents knew otherwise and pushed for finding out why. I was given an IQ test and I believe in 5th grade scored a 135 or so, it increased some as I got older, and I had a high score of 144, but my average score ended up around 142 out of the last 3 tests I took that were individually issued.. Once you are in the gifted program we usually took a new IQ test every few years.

Now then. Suck my balls dipshit. You never got IQ tested because you weren't thought to be gifted. Sorry..

Another great example of your idiocy.

Nobody is claiming that the swine flu is likely to mutate into something similar to the 1918 flu. There's just a small chance that it happens, but that small chance needs to be taken seriously since if it would happen, it would have huge effects.

It's like putting on your seatbelt when you go for a drive. Will you crash? Probably not. And yet, if you just drive enough, chances are that you will eventually be involved in a crash.

A similar thing is the case with potential pandemics. Most will turn out to be relatively harmless, killing only a few thousand people. But we know for a fact that every once in a while, one turns up that kills millions. That's something countries should prepare for, just like they should prepare for natural disasters, terrorist attacks, environmental disasters, etc.

The "big scares", however, aren't a part of that preparation. Rather, they're asinine media hypes - because the media profit from hypes, as evidenced by the case which started this thread.

One thing to keep in mind, however, is that this year's swine flu has already killed thousands of people - including hundreds of children. In the US alone, a few dozen completely healthy children have been killed by the swine flu. Meanwhile, morons like you pounce on idiotic news stories of cases where a flu vaccine is quite unlikely to be the cause of disease.

Here's a thought: stop being scared, and try to be rational instead? Look at the numbers, realize that personal risks are small either way, and see that of the two small risks, the flu is by far the larger one?

IQ tests, they're fun.. I use to live out east, myself.. went to this place called dupont.. EI or AI? Tested on the low one sixties both times .. The only problem is that intelligence can get in the way, when you're human .. I saw every counselor, shrink, head picker, gifted "specialist" and finally said mother FUCK you all and quit when I was 12. Just quit, left. Glad of it, too.

I think that they should try smacking this girl when she goes into that.. No, I am not being a wise guy .. but it's the only thing that I can think of .. But I can imagine her going into the nerve fit, slapping the fuck out of her and her straightening out and being just fine .. instantly
I think it'd have as high as a 5% chance of working and it's all I can think of

Its funny that you think I am the one that is scared. lol Im not at ALL scared of the swine flu, therefore not about to risk having an untested vaccine injected into me to "save me"..

And why did you skip over the fact that Obama's daughters did not get the shot? You have told me over and over the last few weeks that we must ALL get the shot in order to protect the weaker immune systems around us. AND his daughters are directly in the age bracket that the CDC recommends to get the shot. Yet they didn't get it. And I bet you they NEVER get the shot at all. So if the daughters of the President of the United States don't get the shot why exactly would I or any thinking person let their children get an untested and unproven vaccine?

Obama should lead by example right? haha...

Im not getting the flu shot at all...or swine flu shot no sir reee

That is messed up, poor girl :(

that is crazy..

You might not be scared of the swine flu, but you're evidently deathly afraid of vaccines - even if the risks of those are much, much smaller than the risks of swine flu.

Why would I care about Obama? He's educated as a lawyer and working as a politician. Whether he does or does not get his children vaccinated tells us as much about the safety of vaccines as the fact that he smokes tells us about the risks of smoking - nothing whatsoever.

Or do you think that if the President of the United Stated of America smokes, smoking must be entirely safe?

Regardless of what Obama does, says or thinks, he's a politician. Why base your actions on the words or actions of a politician when it comes to medicine? Personally, I prefer looking at what actual experts have to say - just like I would rather listen to a plumber than a lawyer when it comes to plumbing.

Yes Obama is a lawyer so obviously he doesn't know anything about the vaccine. Its unlikely he has teams of advisors, and the entire medical community of the United States at his fingertips....

Just admit you were wrong. YOU told me that EVERYONE needs to get the vaccine in order to protect the weaker immune systems around us. Obama DID NOT let his children get the vaccine, and Im betting neither did he, or anyone in his family. Whole thing is silly.

I don't have much time for all this though.. right now I am setting up the netting around my house to protect from killer bees, and birds that might carry the Avian flu. Then I have to make sure all my aerosol cans are gone to protect the ozone layer, then have to check the weather report to make sure I don't get caught in some nasty acid rain..... should I go on? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Baaaa baaaa black sheep...

Well, I will simply note that nothing this terrible happened in her life until she got a flu shot.

Well, let's see... he has a rather busy job. Fully understanding the science about vaccinations takes years of study. Years of study which he has no time for.

By the way, you might not realize it, but he actually has the entire medical community of the world at his fingertips. As do you. Just google "PubMed", and you can find virtually all published medical research on virtually every subject.

And if you think he doesn't trust the flu vaccine, why would he not openly oppose it? After all, if it's gonna kill lots and lots of people, you know he'll be the one getting the blame.

What truly astounds me, however, is your sudden trust in Obama's good judgment. I mean, he has all the economists of the US at his fingertips too, yet you don't appear to agree with his decisions on the economy.

What gives? Have you suddenly become a great big Obama fan?

Not that it matters, but he did get the flu shot. Which, again, is completely and utterly irrelevant - unless you've decided that Obama is the #1 expert on immunology in the world, and believe that he's involved in a conspiracy to kill everyone in the US.

If there's one thing that's worse than being stupid, it's being willfully stupid. Sadly, that's exactly what you are.

On April 16, 1889, Charlie Chaplin was born. On April 20, 1889, Hitler was born. I guess we now know who to blame for the existence of Hitler: Charlie Chaplin.

I suppose we should blame the existence of HIV/AIDS on the invention of the television while we're at it.

Not to mention Danny Kaye - I bet he'd turn around in his grave if he knew that his death caused the first airing of The Bold and the Beautiful a few weeks later.

You have the primrose path memorized by now dont you? lmao

Btw maybe you should learn to read the links you post? Obama did NOT get the h1n1 vaccine.
As far as being an Obama fan.....:error:error:error:error:1orglaugh:1orglau gh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You just keep skipping over it and over it. Why did you repeatedly tell me that EVERYONE needs to get this shot to protect the weak? When it appears they are only giving the shot TO THE WEAK. I was told by you that its our duty to protect the weak by receiving a shot that may or may not cause even the perfectly healthy to have health issues. Its all for the greater good right. Jesus wept...

He got the seasonal flu shot. Same shot the cheerleader this thread is about got.

Oh, wait, you do trust the seasonal flu shot, but not the H1N1 vaccine? That's what you're trying to say? If so, I suppose that's a pretty big step forward for a small-brained guy like you.

Yes. You're not an Obama fan. You disagree with virtually every single one of his positions. And what I was pointing out was how bizarre it is for you, who do not trust him on anything, to take his actions as some kind of odd "proof" that flu shots can't be trusted.

Actually, what I said was that not getting vaccinated endangers others as well as yourself, both by fucking up herd immunity and becoming a source of the disease. Note that that was in a discussion on vaccinations in general.

In the case of your favorite subject, H1N1 vaccinations, the main reason for vaccination should be rational self-interest. The swine flu has already killed dozens of otherwise healthy children, while there is literally zero evidence for the swine flu vaccine posing a risk that is in any way, shape or form comparable.

But why am I even discussing this with you... it's not like I actually want to contribute to the continued existence of your shitty genes. So please, disregard all I said. Don't vaccinate your children for anything. :glugglug

Yup and I should also stop driving, stop swimming, stop eating foods I could choke on, stop having sex, stop going up and down stairs, stop crossing the street, blah blah. There are tons of shit that can kill you. And you are now downplaying your "herd immunity" shit. You flat out said we would all infect the weaker of the herd if we didn't do our "duty" by getting the shot. Whatever dude. Its a retarded thing to argue about because AGAIN in 1 year we will not hear about it again.

Just keep on falling for the next big scare... you are after all a professional at it. lmao

Damn... poor girl. :(

Downplaying herd immunity? Herd immunity is *extremely* important when it comes to many other diseases that are vaccinated against. Not getting your children the MMR vaccine, the DTP vaccine, etc. is extremely irresponsible, since it endangers not just your children, but other people and society as a whole as well.

With the flu, however, the problem is that it spreads and mutates too quickly to make it possible to achieve herd immunity. By the time you have an effective vaccine, there already are tons of outbreaks. By the time you've vaccinated enough of the population to get within reach of herd immunity, a new strain of the flu is already rearing its head.

So with the flu, the primary goal isn't achieving herd immunity - the middle of an epidemic is quite a bit too late to start thinking of that. Rather, the primary goal is protecting those most at risk.

That means that vaccinating people with weakened immune systems, people working with patients who have weakened immune systems, and people most likely to come into contact with the virus is the priority. After that, mass vaccinations can be used to slow the spread of the epidemic and decrease damage among the population as a whole - especially in case a strain mutates into something more devastating.

With viruses that don't mutate or spread as quickly, on the other hand, both herd immunity and individual prevention are primary goals. Herd immunity is the reason smallpox is now forever gone, and the reason that there's a good chance of eradicating polio in the reasonably near future.

But you don't understand any of this, do you?

She needs a pair of Spyglasses

These Spy Glasses look like an ordinary pair of cool sun glasses...except they're not! You can actually see behind you!

On the inside outer edges of each of the lenses is a special mirrored coating that allows you to see what is going on behind you.

Taking a walk or riding a bike and feel like you're being followed? Just look to your right or left to see who it is! Its like having a rear view mirror with you.

http://www.tbotech.com/images/spy-glasses.jpg
http://www.tbotech.com/spyglasses.htm

Some out of order crap I wish to post.

1. Aside from yes it is a pandemic by definition, it also has a questionable stability so it can also mutate quickly yet thankfully it has not. However it is a virus that has crossed species which makes it an additional threat.

2. In school IQ testing is BS. Hell Penn & Teller should do a show on it. I had the in school IQ tests. I scored real low at first (random answers by me, which landed me in special ed. Even though they told me the test did not matter). Second test I took seriously and it placed me in the high IQ gifted arena. They wanted to talk skipping grades, special advance classes and all that shit. I complained and eventually got what I want which was normal classes.
Fast Forward a few years. I get into my medical malpractice lawsuit. Lawyers from both sides need to discover my future income potential and many other factors at the ripe age of 12-13. This testing took 2-3 days at around 4 to 6 hours each day. The results were much different than what the schools ever said. I will just leave it at that and say unless people have done that type of brain testing, IQ tests are bullshit.

3. In most places nobody can even get the damn h1n1 shot, spray, or whatever. They just are not available. I do mean nobody too, even places full of chemo patients who could kick it by catching a common cold.

Yes I don't understand any of it... lmao. Okies its amazing how you have flipped from what you were saying just a week ago. AMAZING!

Haven't slept yet, so Ill wait to pick through your contradictory posts after I get some rest.

lmao funny shit

yea that would be cool, this is some crazy ass shit I feel bad for these people. damn