damn the left is stupid stupid stupid. Since they aren't the ones paying for it, they believe the money for what they get for free comes by magic fairy.

Obama is just bush II when it comes to spending, he just picked up the torch from Bush and is doing a good job finishing it off, it's a 1 party system when it comes to fiscal policy.

The old boys network got their bush payouts, and anyone that didn't got the rest from Obama.

The stimulus is retarded, cash for clunkers idiotic. To get out of debt lets spend more, makes alot of sense.

If any of this was really about helping "The People" they would have just cut us checks for $9400 instead of giving it to the old boys network on wallstreet (bear stearns AIG etc)

$1,000,000,000,000 stimulus / 107,000,000 households in US
=$9,345 per household

I can already get my medical care for free, if I choose.

However, because I'm a Marine I was shown how to take charge and be a man, create my own business and pay for my own medical insurance. And also because I'm a Marine, I learned that others can't always do what I did... sometimes, it it's impossible. And nobody in our Country should ever have to suffer in such a great land, when others don't have to.

That's what being a real American is about... it's thinking about 'other Americans' and not yourself... Dick head.



And I don't think I have ever said health care should be free. Actually, I lived in Canada and know exactly how I "paid for my free" health care.

Well.. as long as it's an unbiased opinion....

After reading this, can there be any doubt why the left has always been the laughing stock of America? I mean this guy can't even differentiate between "healthcare reform" and "government/universal healthcare".

no dickhead, actually, you found out what you dick was for and stuck it in someone who's medical insurance you can't afford to pay for.
Because you're a marine, you'd think you'd take charge and pay for it :1orglaugh

I love watching you come into my threads and set yourself on fire.

big take charge marine and all.:1orglaugh

Sorry, stimulus programs were Obama's thing. Sorry, Obama has already managed to fuck up more in less than a year than Bush did at least in his 1st term. Give him another year and he'll catch up with Bush.

actually it was ABC news so you got the liberal slant

Universal health care is different than Gov ran health care.. both of which would be health care reform, and making changes to our current system, and whatever else gets done - all of it would be reform.

We already have several forms of Gov ran health care. Which a huge part of the GOP base actually uses and lives off of.

Clearly, people the reform targeted towards, insurance companies and people being able to get, cheap, or affordable and maybe even free for some that can't pay, health care.

The right always tries to twist things in such stupid ways.

You ALL make excellent points but here's the bottom line:

NO ONE SHOULD EVER HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN GETTING WELL AND REMAINING SICK/DYING SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO LIVE OR GET WELL.

What are we, America? A bunch of sick, selfish assholes who only care about MONEY and not human life?

If so then we ARE everything our detractors claim us to be.

NO ONE SHOULD EVER HAVE TO MAKE THIS DECISION:
"Do I LIVE and go broke, or DIE and leave whatever I have left to my family?"

Enuff said. Universal healthcare should be a RIGHT because we ALL have the RIGHT to live, and not fall sick or die simply because we ain't got no money, honey.

***** I'LL MAKE IT VERY SIMPLE FOR EVERYONE, CRAZY RIGHT-WING, REPUBLICANS TOO: *****

MEDICARE FOR EVERYONE.

problem solved. Next issue!

Yes, let's all listen to the guy who can't even distinguish between a million and a trillion.

Idiot :2 cents:

Watch how I resist the temptation to reply..

startinggg...... now

Omg no I made a typo!!!! Using your idiotic logic, anythin you say is irrelevant and without credibility because you're a porn peddler. ROFL what a clown.

This has already been posted an proven wrong here on GFY, actually several times.. with the time lines, dates they were signed, and everything... huge ass chart. Every single bill, and even how the tarp money was used, dates, banks, everything... very detailed.


Your so disillusioned by your views that you don't even know what the real truth is.

Actually, the right says what they mean while the left fumbles around with mass contradictions like bubbling buffoons. And there's a difference between wanting SOME kind of healthcare reform, and wanting government run insurance. That's what you're still not getting.

And as 12 clicks has repeatedly stated, creating a government run option while Obama continues his massive deficit spending, makes this option totally unsustainable.

Ah gotta love the left. Makes shit up without an iota of evidence.

Fuck you.

But you're 100% correct

Oh you gota love the right. Listening to Glenn Beck telling them what the truth is without an iota of evidence.

Public health has never been a concern in the US. Since when does this point ever mean public health is a RIGHT? I don't get how you all think we should be born and taken care of every step of the way by the government.

My neighbors would rather have another $100 than know I am healthy. NO ONE CARES ABOUT EACH OTHER ANYMORE. Welcome to America.

you guys don't get it, you are arguing about healthcare, the root of the problem is lawyers suing, docs getting malpractice insurnace and passing along the cost to us who pass it to our insurers who take .5% to 2% off the top and then pay the docs. Big fuckken deal.

This is all about breaking up the U.S. superpower, US currency, US constitution & borders, and making a one world government. Been in motion since Clinton & NAFTA, Bush & the patriot act & bush bailouts, Obama was placed here to finish the job and to make sure we have to squirm in our seats trying to explain to our kids why those 2 guys are making out in the mall.

Nope. :1orglaugh

If someone is really in need, people in America will bend over backwards to help. If you've ever worked in a gov social service office like I have and see the kinds of cars and jewelry clad people that show up for food stamps and other hand outs, you will see of all the people in need maybe 10% really need the help, the other 90% simply refuse to put buying food for their children first rather than living without a nice car, 2 tv's, a microwave, cable and an xbox for themselves.

Wait what? Where was your complaining about spending, when Regan doubled our national debit in his two terms?

Where was your complaining about spending, when Bush Sr doubled our national debt in 4 years?

Where was your complaining about spending when Bush Jr, just about tippled our national debit in his 8 years?

Don't come out of the wood work now because it happens to be a democrat doing the spending.. You ignored it then and turned a blind eye on this very board, yet second it's a Democrat doing too much spending you come out to start crying.

BTW if you hate this spending this much, why did you not praise Clinton during his term for setting a balanced budget?

Oh wow, bring the wife into it. this kinda of makes you look stupid....

I covered her for years, it had nothing to do with getting her covered. It has to do with the Insurance company, not covering her conditions..... completely.

So when you get a billed for $16,000 a day X 9 months, and they say they won't cover it... you let me know.



Any other personal life references you would like to bring into this?

Glen Beck? I don't listen to Glen Beck. And you sound retarded repeating what I said to you. Really sad but what else can you expect from the left?

Amen. Liberals and lower classes seem to think they are owed something.

You DO realize that Reagan created almost 16 million jobs right? He increased military spending sure, during the cold war. You also do recognize that while Clinton created a budget surplus, he removed loan caps from banks to inadvertedly start the financial crisis?

Hehe, I'm making fun of you repeating Glenn Beck and the right morons... I just twist and repeat, it's what you guys do.

And what makes you think I'm left or Liberal?

Because I'm pointing out how stupid it is to relate the article and elections, to Obama?

Do you get why you people look stupid yet?

By people you mean just you? Is it any wonder why you're the GFY forum clown yet? Maybe you'll understand some day with incoherent posts like this.

Bingo. And people want government to take care of them because they've done such a good job at everything else? Really?

I am a "Liberal" so to speak. I just see how everyone thinks they are "special' in this country. Everyone needs special medicines, special care, special schooling, special income.... everyone is up their own asses and thinks EVERYONE owes them something.

That's why when someone cuts me off in traffic and I honk, THEY turn around and flip me off. Everyone in American is turning to shit before everyones eyes. You and me included. We're adapting to the way the majority is running their lives.

i have said this all along, there will never be a universal government run healthcare in the US.
simply put:
1. Healthcare industry/ pharmaceutical is biggest fiscal industry in US (even bigger than energy)
2. No person is going to spend 10 years in med school and run up $250K in school loans to get a middleclass income.
3. The only entity the US government is running with a reasonable success is the military.. a healthcare industry run by the government would be a disaster.

Instead the healthcare industry leaders will come up with their own reform, making somewhat of a universal program but in private companies, similar to Keiser making the cost reasonable to most americans...

btw, there are too many elections in the US, nothing ever gets done as there is another election around the corner and politicians are much to concerned with their popularity etc.

Haha, dude... look at your signature and avatar.

We all laugh at you guys.. not bull shitting here, let me spill the beans.

Like little girls chatting on the phone we icq each other and provoke more posts, just to see what you morons will say.

Pure.. absolute, entertainment to see you morons run around with your heads cut off and we laugh about it until we get bored with our temporary play toy.

Agreed, at least you're a liberal with some common sense.

as my worker puts it, the only people that don't want universal healthcare are the people who already have health insurance. in his mind, since he dosent have health insurance and can't afford it, something for him is better then nothing.

What would you guys rather have, no sales or at least one.

Ive never heard of a perfect president, we can't blame obama for creating debt. every president has contributed to this. Every president fucks up, some get 8 years to fuck up.

Bitch about it all you want, it does no good. the people only have the power to elect, not to tell the presidents what to do.

I guess politics is so easy it seems like everyone should do it.

Vote for me in 2012, im putting my name on the ballot...

One conclusion that can be drawn from last night's election results, that we can all agree on 100%, is that 12clicks is an asshole and the most pompous mother fucker to ever post on GFY.

Translation: I hate being embarrassed on a porn forum and my defense mechanism of denial is kicking in so I'm going to make up some shit about me and an unknown group of people on this forum laughing at other people on this forum so I can seem cool or at the very least, succeed in lying to myself.

Pompous? Probably. Asshole? Maybe. Speaks the truth? Absolutely. Stop talking for the entire forum, it makes you look stupid.

I'm so fucking glad I live in Canada. I am very happy with the medical treatment I've received up here, my friends, family, and former co-workers all had great care when any of us got hurt.

No "pre-existing conditions", no big bills. Total cost... $0!

How can anyone be conservative in this business?

1. I'm not really in this business. I promote dating sites as income to pay for law school.
2. It's easy to be conservative and in this business. For instance, I think porn is absolutely disgusting, but also a first amendment right which I support.

Bingo. :thumbsup

Nothing will change.

You are naive to think otherwise.

Go back to sleep.

Wow... your posts are getting better and better. What defense mechanism would I need to turn on with you?

Your points have been shut down, stepped on and rolled over. And like always and other posts from you, you pull out the left/liberal, same post as above, lame twist of nothing.

You're truly a nobody... and it must kill you to know no one is actually paying attention to shit you spew and the entire group of you is topic of laughter, on gfy and in business.

Your part of a dieing minority, thank god.. a source of entertainment to us gods.

The "Right" is retarded if they believe all of the "left" is nothing more than welfare people who pay no taxes. There is a lot more to so called political ideology than just fiscal.

liberal, liberal, liberal, socialist, liberal, liberal. I don't know why so many people use the term liberal like its a racial slur. It just makes you look stupid that you have to use such black and white labels. Its a lot easier to hate a symbol, isn't it?

The Right listens to too much talk radio and doesn't analyze the arguements thoroughly.

Generalizations, rants and obfuscations are not really a substitute for hard news.

denial+lying to yourself #1. Make sure you have evidence to back up your assertion that my points have been shut down, so you don't sound like an utter tool.

denial+lying to yourself #2. Can there be any doubt as to why you're always the subject of ridicule and generally considered the forum clown?


You must be used to getting humiliated on forums and in real life.

Put healthcare in the hands of government and you at least can hold them accountable. It becomes an election issue, and they do something about it.

Best thing you could do is start a National health service for the people like just about every other civilized country enjoyes. Nothing fancy. Those who want to stick to the better private system can, but at least you get what should be a basic human right for everyone.

The left doesn't know how to analyze arguments at all. Or spell for that matter.