Because YOU related it to Obama then twisted to mean the NJ election. The referendum on spending in NJ was even rejected by left groups.

Now, in your real focus, the referendum on spending in relation to Obama is based on symbolism. For it to work, the backwoods NY area ran by Republicans for a long ass time would have had to retain it's power, because it's a republican area.

And that's important because it means the local elections had nothing to do with Obama or Obama's policies, or any spending of our Fed Gov. That you tried to relate it to.


You almost quoted the talking point.... so maybe you don't "listen" to them, but you sure as shit repeat the inaccurate spew they do.


Ok.... what does health care have to do with any of this?

These elections had nothing to do with health care.

Finally, an intelligent person on GFY. Bush's deficit when he left was what, around 5 million dollars? After 10 months in office, Obama is at 1.42 trillion with more than 9 million projected. Cash for clunkers was retarded in the sense of artificial growth while increasing the money supply.

Actually this isn't true. More than half of the people in almost all polls are in favor of healthcare reform. I've never seen a poll where more than 30% voted for a government run option. Quit making shit up.

You guys crack me up.

That is the result of the Bush Bailouts <-- they role over into the next president. It doesn't mean you get to credit the debt to the new president.

The average intelligence on this forum is obvious because of posts like this.

Ah yes blame it on Bush. I bet it was Bush's fault for the mass stimulus plans as well as a ridiculous increase of the money supply? Gotta love the liberals. It's not Obama's fault if he fails it's Bush's. However, if Obama succeeds, it's because he's awesome!

Damn the right, is stupid... stupid, stupid...

Reform, means to abandon, as well as improve or change. It means, people do not want the health care system the way it is now, and they want to 'change it.'

That's a huge difference than, regulate it which is how the right uses the word, reform.

Reform:
1 a : to put or change into an improved form or condition b : to amend or improve by change of form or removal of faults or abuses
2 : to put an end to (an evil) by enforcing or introducing a better method or course of action
3 : to induce or cause to abandon evil ways <reform a drunkard>
4 a : to subject (hydrocarbons) to cracking b : to produce (as gasoline or gas) by cracking

are you playing dumb because of your desire to get what you want for free will make you do ANYTHING or do you really not understand the ties between a gigantic deficit, a gigantic government program, and the fact that the party pushing for all of this just lost two major offices?

which one is it, playing or a lack of understanding?

I'm damn sure not liberal... never voted for a liberal in my life that I can remember.


The mass stimulus plans, were started under Bush. Dumb ass..

It's Bushes fault, he failed and fucked our Country up. It's Obama's fault if he doesn't live up to his promises and pull us out of the shit hole Bush put us in.

However we gave bush a full 8 years to totally fuck us, so I think it's fair we give Obama an actual shot, at doing what he feels is right...

...seeing you fucks, were wrong for the last 8 years.

damn the left is stupid stupid stupid. Since they aren't the ones paying for it, they believe the money for what they get for free comes by magic fairy.

Obama is just bush II when it comes to spending, he just picked up the torch from Bush and is doing a good job finishing it off, it's a 1 party system when it comes to fiscal policy.

The old boys network got their bush payouts, and anyone that didn't got the rest from Obama.

The stimulus is retarded, cash for clunkers idiotic. To get out of debt lets spend more, makes alot of sense.

If any of this was really about helping "The People" they would have just cut us checks for $9400 instead of giving it to the old boys network on wallstreet (bear stearns AIG etc)

$1,000,000,000,000 stimulus / 107,000,000 households in US
=$9,345 per household

I can already get my medical care for free, if I choose.

However, because I'm a Marine I was shown how to take charge and be a man, create my own business and pay for my own medical insurance. And also because I'm a Marine, I learned that others can't always do what I did... sometimes, it it's impossible. And nobody in our Country should ever have to suffer in such a great land, when others don't have to.

That's what being a real American is about... it's thinking about 'other Americans' and not yourself... Dick head.



And I don't think I have ever said health care should be free. Actually, I lived in Canada and know exactly how I "paid for my free" health care.

Well.. as long as it's an unbiased opinion....

After reading this, can there be any doubt why the left has always been the laughing stock of America? I mean this guy can't even differentiate between "healthcare reform" and "government/universal healthcare".

no dickhead, actually, you found out what you dick was for and stuck it in someone who's medical insurance you can't afford to pay for.
Because you're a marine, you'd think you'd take charge and pay for it :1orglaugh

I love watching you come into my threads and set yourself on fire.

big take charge marine and all.:1orglaugh

Sorry, stimulus programs were Obama's thing. Sorry, Obama has already managed to fuck up more in less than a year than Bush did at least in his 1st term. Give him another year and he'll catch up with Bush.

actually it was ABC news so you got the liberal slant

Universal health care is different than Gov ran health care.. both of which would be health care reform, and making changes to our current system, and whatever else gets done - all of it would be reform.

We already have several forms of Gov ran health care. Which a huge part of the GOP base actually uses and lives off of.

Clearly, people the reform targeted towards, insurance companies and people being able to get, cheap, or affordable and maybe even free for some that can't pay, health care.

The right always tries to twist things in such stupid ways.

You ALL make excellent points but here's the bottom line:

NO ONE SHOULD EVER HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN GETTING WELL AND REMAINING SICK/DYING SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO LIVE OR GET WELL.

What are we, America? A bunch of sick, selfish assholes who only care about MONEY and not human life?

If so then we ARE everything our detractors claim us to be.

NO ONE SHOULD EVER HAVE TO MAKE THIS DECISION:
"Do I LIVE and go broke, or DIE and leave whatever I have left to my family?"

Enuff said. Universal healthcare should be a RIGHT because we ALL have the RIGHT to live, and not fall sick or die simply because we ain't got no money, honey.

***** I'LL MAKE IT VERY SIMPLE FOR EVERYONE, CRAZY RIGHT-WING, REPUBLICANS TOO: *****

MEDICARE FOR EVERYONE.

problem solved. Next issue!

Yes, let's all listen to the guy who can't even distinguish between a million and a trillion.

Idiot :2 cents:

Watch how I resist the temptation to reply..

startinggg...... now

Omg no I made a typo!!!! Using your idiotic logic, anythin you say is irrelevant and without credibility because you're a porn peddler. ROFL what a clown.

This has already been posted an proven wrong here on GFY, actually several times.. with the time lines, dates they were signed, and everything... huge ass chart. Every single bill, and even how the tarp money was used, dates, banks, everything... very detailed.


Your so disillusioned by your views that you don't even know what the real truth is.

Actually, the right says what they mean while the left fumbles around with mass contradictions like bubbling buffoons. And there's a difference between wanting SOME kind of healthcare reform, and wanting government run insurance. That's what you're still not getting.

And as 12 clicks has repeatedly stated, creating a government run option while Obama continues his massive deficit spending, makes this option totally unsustainable.

Ah gotta love the left. Makes shit up without an iota of evidence.

Fuck you.

But you're 100% correct

Oh you gota love the right. Listening to Glenn Beck telling them what the truth is without an iota of evidence.

Public health has never been a concern in the US. Since when does this point ever mean public health is a RIGHT? I don't get how you all think we should be born and taken care of every step of the way by the government.

My neighbors would rather have another $100 than know I am healthy. NO ONE CARES ABOUT EACH OTHER ANYMORE. Welcome to America.

you guys don't get it, you are arguing about healthcare, the root of the problem is lawyers suing, docs getting malpractice insurnace and passing along the cost to us who pass it to our insurers who take .5% to 2% off the top and then pay the docs. Big fuckken deal.

This is all about breaking up the U.S. superpower, US currency, US constitution & borders, and making a one world government. Been in motion since Clinton & NAFTA, Bush & the patriot act & bush bailouts, Obama was placed here to finish the job and to make sure we have to squirm in our seats trying to explain to our kids why those 2 guys are making out in the mall.

Nope. :1orglaugh

If someone is really in need, people in America will bend over backwards to help. If you've ever worked in a gov social service office like I have and see the kinds of cars and jewelry clad people that show up for food stamps and other hand outs, you will see of all the people in need maybe 10% really need the help, the other 90% simply refuse to put buying food for their children first rather than living without a nice car, 2 tv's, a microwave, cable and an xbox for themselves.

Wait what? Where was your complaining about spending, when Regan doubled our national debit in his two terms?

Where was your complaining about spending, when Bush Sr doubled our national debt in 4 years?

Where was your complaining about spending when Bush Jr, just about tippled our national debit in his 8 years?

Don't come out of the wood work now because it happens to be a democrat doing the spending.. You ignored it then and turned a blind eye on this very board, yet second it's a Democrat doing too much spending you come out to start crying.

BTW if you hate this spending this much, why did you not praise Clinton during his term for setting a balanced budget?

Oh wow, bring the wife into it. this kinda of makes you look stupid....

I covered her for years, it had nothing to do with getting her covered. It has to do with the Insurance company, not covering her conditions..... completely.

So when you get a billed for $16,000 a day X 9 months, and they say they won't cover it... you let me know.



Any other personal life references you would like to bring into this?

Glen Beck? I don't listen to Glen Beck. And you sound retarded repeating what I said to you. Really sad but what else can you expect from the left?

Amen. Liberals and lower classes seem to think they are owed something.

You DO realize that Reagan created almost 16 million jobs right? He increased military spending sure, during the cold war. You also do recognize that while Clinton created a budget surplus, he removed loan caps from banks to inadvertedly start the financial crisis?

Hehe, I'm making fun of you repeating Glenn Beck and the right morons... I just twist and repeat, it's what you guys do.

And what makes you think I'm left or Liberal?

Because I'm pointing out how stupid it is to relate the article and elections, to Obama?

Do you get why you people look stupid yet?

By people you mean just you? Is it any wonder why you're the GFY forum clown yet? Maybe you'll understand some day with incoherent posts like this.

Bingo. And people want government to take care of them because they've done such a good job at everything else? Really?