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The Demon 11-04-2009 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16509658)
And again... boring now and really lame.

But I will ask again, prove whatever I said wrong.... it's that simple or keep posting and showing gfy that you have nothing to say, other than typical spew.

Well, you're definitely showing GFY how stupid you are by repeating your nonsense. "Prove I'm wrong when I haven't said anything of substance!!" ROFL what a moron this kid is.

directfiesta 11-04-2009 08:44 PM

If there were election in California tomorrow, and Arnold ran, he would be beaten ,,,

Should I conclude that it would be an " Obama endorsement " ... :1orglaugh

The Demon 11-04-2009 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 16509671)
If there were election in California tomorrow, and Arnold ran, he would be beaten ,,,

Should I conclude that it would be an " Obama endorsement " ... :1orglaugh

Just like in NJ and Virginia? ROFL

TheDoc 11-04-2009 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16509661)
Well, you're definitely showing GFY how stupid you are by repeating your nonsense. "Prove I'm wrong when I haven't said anything of substance!!" ROFL what a moron this kid is.

You said I was wrong.. so clearly I said something that needed to be proven wrong.

Or again, like the other 10 posts........

You have nothing to actually say, you have no ammo to take me down with, you don't even know how to argue, you simply spew bullshit as an attack... which is freak'in hilarious.

I'm cool with that though, please... keep posting.

directfiesta 11-04-2009 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16509484)
1. I'm not really in this business. I promote dating sites as income to pay for law school.
2. It's easy to be conservative and in this business. For instance, I think porn is absolutely disgusting, but also a first amendment right which I support.


1. I'm not really in this business. I promote dating sites as income to pay for law school.


in other words, you will be at best an " ambulance chaser " , at best ....

2. It's easy to be conservative and in this business. For instance, I think porn is absolutely disgusting, but also a first amendment right which I support.

translation: I am broke, cannot pay for porn, not smart enough to find it for free, so I hang here to see a few pics everyday ...

PS: if you have 2.00 today in Epass, I would gladly give you 1.75 tomorrow in Paypal .... :):)

Sausage 11-04-2009 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16509609)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Oh my mistake, I should have said put healthcare in the hands of a working government system and at least you can hold them accountable at the ballot box.

I forgot your system was so corrupt and rotten to the core that it probably wouldn't work. Though even the illusion of accountability is better than nothing right ;) You can't do anything now .. you are powerless, utterly incapable of making any difference in the area of health reform and down deep you know it.

At least my government fears what I can do with my vote. Feel free to laugh that one off too btw :)

The Demon 11-04-2009 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16509679)
You said I was wrong.. so clearly I said something that needed to be proven wrong.

Or again, like the other 10 posts........

You have nothing to actually say, you have no ammo to take me down with, you don't even know how to argue, you simply spew bullshit as an attack... which is freak'in hilarious.

I'm cool with that though, please... keep posting.


I don't need ammo to take you down with. All I have to do is use logic to respond to your stupidity and embarrass you on a continuous basis, only to watch you sit there lying to yourself and making yourself look dumber.

The Demon 11-04-2009 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 16509680)

1. I'm not really in this business. I promote dating sites as income to pay for law school.


in other words, you will be at best an " ambulance chaser " , at best ....

2. It's easy to be conservative and in this business. For instance, I think porn is absolutely disgusting, but also a first amendment right which I support.

translation: I am broke, cannot pay for porn, not smart enough to find it for free, so I hang here to see a few pics everyday ...

PS: if you have 2.00 today in Epass, I would gladly give you 1.75 tomorrow in Paypal .... :):)


AHAHA thanks for proving that the only qualification for the porn business is a pulse. Not sure if anything dumber has been posted today. Way to go half wit:)

marketsmart 11-04-2009 08:53 PM

all i can say is that i never realized so many homosexuals posted on gfy...

TheDoc 11-04-2009 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16509685)
I don't need ammo to take you down with. All I have to do is use logic to respond to your stupidity and embarrass you on a continuous basis, only to watch you sit there lying to yourself and making yourself look dumber.

You haven't actually responded with anything.. you're just say things like this quote, over and over.

It's just spew... I'm waiting to be embarrassed, please do it.. whatever, prove me wrong, show me up, ring my bell.. take down the big man with your, logic.

I'm waiting..

habs4life 11-04-2009 08:53 PM

lmao funny shit

Sly 11-04-2009 08:57 PM

I read the thread title and took a mental note of who would be posting in the thread.

Then I skimmed the thread.

I was right.

TheDoc 11-04-2009 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 16509699)
I read the thread title and took a mental note of who would be posting in the thread.

Then I skimmed the thread.

I was right.

My bot is stuck on auto post... :winkwink:

baddog 11-04-2009 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 16509640)
The current generation is the most literate generation ever thanks to the internet and texting.

ha ha ha. Fucking kids in the wagon trains crossing the great American prairies in the 1800's were a lot more literate than the youth of today. :1orglaugh

TheDoc 11-04-2009 09:26 PM

Dang, he went on and on... 9 o'clock though, mom must have put her foot down. I hope the dude got his homework done.

slapass 11-04-2009 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16509646)
Having the internet doesn't making you "literate".

Actually yes it does.



Quote:

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16509646)
You're not providing ANY facts whatsoever. Technology has improved as a natural progression but as a society we have regressed.

Not sure why you think this. Crime is down. Learning is up. Birth rate is down. Quality of life is a lot higher as far as I can tell in that houses are bigger, tv's etc. People have more shit.

Have you talked to people who were alive in the 70's? Did you see the 80's? They were not wonderful open times.

slapass 11-04-2009 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16509763)
ha ha ha. Fucking kids in the wagon trains crossing the great American prairies in the 1800's were a lot more literate than the youth of today. :1orglaugh

Do you really believe that? Makes a nice sound bite but you know that is not true right?

irbobo 11-04-2009 10:25 PM

Fuck americans really don't understand that it COSTS MORE for your non universal healthcare. With universal healthcare there is no need for expensive actuaries to try and screw you out of your insurance.

Oh well.. you just make Canada look that much better.

What you guys need is another party. Either/Or situations aren't your friend in politics.

baddog 11-04-2009 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 16509832)
Do you really believe that? Makes a nice sound bite but you know that is not true right?

http://education-portal.com/articles...n_Society.html

The Demon 11-04-2009 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 16509829)
Actually yes it does.

Well it was fun embarrassing The Doc. I think he reached the peak of his stupidity so moving on.. So no, no it doesn't. Our parents generation which didn't have the internet and relied on books is a hell of a lot more literate and intelligent than our generation. The new generation of teenagers who spend their lives on social networks is pretty much the dumbest of the 20th century. It's safe to say after we reached our peak in the 50s and 60s, it's been going to shit ever since.




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Not sure why you think this. Crime is down. Learning is up. Birth rate is down. Quality of life is a lot higher as far as I can tell in that houses are bigger, tv's etc. People have more shit.
Crime is certainly not down, learning is certainly not up, birth rate is certainly not down, where are you getting this? And what you're talking about is inflated wealth, NOT real wealth, and technological improvement which is a logical progression. HARDLY an argument for our society being better.

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Have you talked to people who were alive in the 70's? Did you see the 80's? They were not wonderful open times.
Absolutely, and they think society has gone to shit. They loved their 70s and 80s. They loved the intellectual stimulation through books, spending days outside doing random activities. Not like today where it's social networks and obesity.

The Demon 11-04-2009 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16509944)


Owned. Many people have been preaching the downfall of American society since the 90s. I firmly believe it now.

TheDoc 11-04-2009 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16505317)
The mass stimulus plans, were started under Bush. Dumb ass..



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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16505407)
This has already been posted an proven wrong here on GFY, actually several times.. with the time lines, dates they were signed, and everything... huge ass chart. Every single bill, and even how the tarp money was used, dates, banks, everything... very detailed..

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16505424)
Ah gotta love the left. Makes shit up without an iota of evidence.



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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16505302)
Sorry, stimulus programs were Obama's thing. Sorry, Obama has already managed to fuck up more in less than a year than Bush did at least in his 1st term. Give him another year and he'll catch up with Bush.

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16505182)
Ah yes blame it on Bush. I bet it was Bush's fault for the mass stimulus plans as well as a ridiculous increase of the money supply? Gotta love the liberals. It's not Obama's fault if he fails it's Bush's. However, if Obama succeeds, it's because he's awesome!


Obama... errr, Bush... errr Bailouts and Stimulus Plans



$30 billion
Bear Stearns 2008 JP Morgan Chase and the federal government bailed out Bear Stearns when the financial giant neared collapse. JP Morgan purchased Bear Stearns for $236 million; the Federal Reserve provided a $30 billion credit line to ensure the sale could move forward.

$400 billion
Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac 2008 On Sep. 7, 2008, Fannie and Freddie were essentially nationalized: placed under the conservatorship of the Federal Housing Finance Agency. Under the terms of the rescue, the Treasury has invested billions to cover the companies' losses. Initially, Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson put a ceiling of $100 billion for investments in each company. In February, Tim Geithner raised it to $200 billion. The money was authorized by the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008.

$180 billion
American International Group (A.I.G.) 2008 On four separate occasions, the government has offered aid to AIG to keep it from collapsing, rising from an initial $85 billion credit line from the Federal Reserve to a combined $180 billion effort between the Treasury ($70 billion) and Fed ($110 billion). ($40 billion of the Treasury’s commitment is also included in the TARP total.)

$25 billion
Auto Industry 2008 In late September 2008, Congress approved a more than $630 billion spending bill, which included a measure for $25 billion in loans to the auto industry. These low-interest loans are intended to aid the industry in its push to build more fuel-efficient, environmentally-friendly vehicles. The Detroit 3 -- General Motors, Ford and Chrysler -- will be the primary beneficiaries.

$700 billion
Troubled Asset Relief Program 2008 In October 2008, Congress passed the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act, which authorized the Treasury Department to spend $700 billion to combat the financial crisis. Treasury has been doling out the money via an alphabet soup of different programs. Here’s our running tally of companies getting TARP funds.

$280 billion
Citigroup 2008 Citigroup received a $25 billion investment through the TARP in October and another $20 billion in November. (That $45 billion is also included in the TARP total.) Additional aid has come in the form of government guarantees to limit losses from a $301 billion pool of toxic assets. In addition to the Treasury's $5 billion commitment, the FDIC has committed $10 billion and the Federal Reserve up to about $220 billion.

Bank of America 2009 Bank of America has received $45 billion through the TARP, which includes $10 billion originally meant for Merrill Lynch. (That $45 billion is also included in the TARP total.) In addition, the government has made guarantees to limit losses from a $118 billion pool of troubled assets. In addition to the Treasury's $7.5 billion commitment, the FDIC has committed $2.5 billion and the Federal Reserve up to $87.2 billion.



Which ones are from Obama again?



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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16510039)
Well it was fun embarrassing The Doc.

Back to bed little one....

kane 11-04-2009 11:42 PM

This is an entertaining thread.

The reality is that the election of GOP governors in NJ and VA has very little to do with Obama and anti-democrat sentiment. In both states the exit polls showed that the majority (over 50%) of the voters in those states still hold Obama in a positive light.

In NJ they have the highest property taxes in the nation as well as a lot of corruption. Yes, Obama went there three times to campaign for them, but Corzine is not well liked in the state and was bound to lose to just about anyone.

In VA they still have as strong conservative base and he won. That is it. It doesn't mean the nation is turning republican. If it did then why did the democrat in NY win when that district has elected a republican since the civil war? Of course you could say it is because the republicans fucked it up and attacked their own candidate for not being conservative enough then she dropped out when the republicans started backing an independent who doesn't even live in the district and knows nothing about the local politics of the area. So does that mean that the republican party is still in shambles? No.

These are just local and state elections. Every year since 1989 the off year elections in NJ and VA have gone against the party that had won the white house in the previous year. I don't know why, it just is. It means nothing. I can say that tomorrow morning Megan Fox is going to give me a lap dance then let me tit fuck her. . . it doesn't make it so.

The bottom line is that most of the people in this country want health care reform. The problem is our elected officials are unable to actually deliver that. If they aren't worried about getting elected they are worried about pissing off big insurance who finance their re-election bids. The republicans have no interest in health care reform. The only reason they are even talking about it now is because the democrats are in power and are forcing the issue. If McCain had won health care would not even be mentioned.

My prediction is that one of the following will happen:

1. They will pass a health care reform bill and it will do very little to actually reform health care so we will continue as we are now which means in about 15-20 the cost of health care will be destroying the the middle class.

or

2. They will pass a big bill and it will reform health care and in some cases it will actually do good things and help a lot of people. But they will grossly underestimate the cost of it, it will get bloated, corrupt and be mismanaged and it will be enormously expensive and in 15-20 years the cost of it will be destroying the middle class in this country.

kane 11-04-2009 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16510039)
Well it was fun embarrassing The Doc. I think he reached the peak of his stupidity so moving on.. So no, no it doesn't. Our parents generation which didn't have the internet and relied on books is a hell of a lot more literate and intelligent than our generation. The new generation of teenagers who spend their lives on social networks is pretty much the dumbest of the 20th century. It's safe to say after we reached our peak in the 50s and 60s, it's been going to shit ever since.

I'm not sure when we reached out peak, but I have to agree that many of the kids these days are just dumb and heavily to blame is the school system. My nephew is a junior in high school. He is in the "slow" program which means if an assignment is due on the 15th and he doesn't have it done, they give him another week to do it. He has failed about 35% of his classes and yet is still on target to graduate. When he was in 8th grade he failed every class except PE and they still graduated him. Much of the blame for that is because if they don't move them on, they don't get paid so they lower the standards and just push them through like cattle. Also heavily to blame is his mom who will do his homework for him and doesn't care if his girlfriend does his homework for him and doesn't think it is a big deal that he is 16 and can't read well enough to pass the learners permit test for driving.





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Crime is certainly not down, learning is certainly not up, birth rate is certainly not down, where are you getting this? And what you're talking about is inflated wealth, NOT real wealth, and technological improvement which is a logical progression. HARDLY an argument for our society being better.
The crime rates right now are actually the lowest they have been in about 20-25 years.

Quote:

Absolutely, and they think society has gone to shit. They loved their 70s and 80s. They loved the intellectual stimulation through books, spending days outside doing random activities. Not like today where it's social networks and obesity.
It used to be that if someone pissed you off you didn't talk to them anymore or you punched them in the mouth. Now you de-friend them on facebook and tell everyone you did so on twitter. It is sad.

kane 11-04-2009 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by irbobo (Post 16509896)
Fuck americans really don't understand that it COSTS MORE for your non universal healthcare. With universal healthcare there is no need for expensive actuaries to try and screw you out of your insurance.

Oh well.. you just make Canada look that much better.

What you guys need is another party. Either/Or situations aren't your friend in politics.

We spend more money per person on health care than any other country in the world yet we have 30+million without insurance. There has to be a better way of doing things. I don't know that universal health care (meaning government controlled) is the only way, but there must be some ways to improve the system and keep it from destroying the middle class.

The Demon 11-05-2009 07:17 AM

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=12266
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The Mother of All Stimuli, sometime next week, 2009 - Already clocking in at over $1.34 trillion over ten years, Obama’s Trillion Dollar Debt Plan is Bushonomics on steroids. The bill is a straight forward attempt to permanently redistribute spending and power away from the private sector and toward government at the cost of trillions of dollars in tax dollars from our children.
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The Housing Bailout II, ???, 2009 - Could the Obama Administration really come to the American people asking for more deficit spending after a $1.34 trillion stimulus and a $??? trillion TARP Bailout? Yes they can! The New York Times reports: “And the final part, which Mr. Obama is not expected to announce for days, involves spending billions of dollars more to prevent home foreclosures, for fear that the displacement and anger created by throwing people out of their homes, and putting more properties onto a glutted market, will create a psychological and financial death spiral.”
And the kicker.
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At Obama's request, Bush has agreed to ask Congress for the second $350 billion of the $700 billion financial bailout.

The move came shortly after Bush told reporters at this final scheduled news conference Monday morning that he would request the funds only if Obama asked — and that Obama hadn’t yet asked.
In a letter to congressional leaders, Obama’s team say that if given the funds, he’ll push to free up credit markets to provide more loans for small businesses and car buyers, do more to address the record number of home foreclosures nationwide and seek to limit executive pay for companies that receive bailout funds.


The Doc, aren't you tired of getting owned?

TheDoc 11-05-2009 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16511529)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=12266




And the kicker.




The Doc, aren't you tired of getting owned?

Some great examples of using Bailout money and plans already going, into what the current president thinks they should be spent on.

I'm really not sure how any of these are "Obama" created, ie: his plans.


And Wow, so lame... Hahaha... I'm owned, some how.



Could you show me where I said Obama never did any bailouts or wouldn't do them?

Of course your stupid ass can't..


I clearly said...

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16510081)
The mass stimulus plans, were started under Bush. Dumb ass..

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16510081)
Every single bill, and even how the tarp money was used, dates, banks, everything... very detailed..

Your ass got smoked.... And either way... those are STILL results of the Bush agendas. You don't get to "add on" Bushes dept to Obama ~ Moron.

The Demon 11-05-2009 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16511604)
Some great examples of using Bailout money and plans already going, into what the current president thinks they should be spent on.

I'm really not sure how any of these are "Obama" created, ie: his plans.


And Wow, so lame... Hahaha... I'm owned, some how.



Could you show me where I said Obama never did any bailouts or wouldn't do them?

Of course your stupid ass can't..


I clearly said...





Your ass got smoked.... And either way... those are STILL results of the Bush agendas. You don't get to "add on" Bushes dept to Obama ~ Moron.



AHAHAAHA what a fucking idiot this is just too funny. Want to point out where I said Obama started the stimulus plans? Go ahead ROFL. This kid is priceless.

And I know i'm wasting my time trying to explain a basic concept to you but I'm enjoying talking down to a dumber, older, porn peddler.

When Obama "initiates" a plan, it becomes HIS debt, not Bush's. Try and internalize that one dumbass ROFL

TheDoc 11-05-2009 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16511633)
AHAHAAHA what a fucking idiot this is just too funny. Want to point out where I said Obama started the stimulus plans? Go ahead ROFL. This kid is priceless.

And I know i'm wasting my time trying to explain a basic concept to you but I'm enjoying talking down to a dumber, older, porn peddler.

When Obama "initiates" a plan, it becomes HIS debt, not Bush's. Try and internalize that one dumbass ROFL


Wow you suck at this.

I never said Obama hasn't done bailouts.

But the fact still remains, your wrong.... Obama did not put us Trillions into Debt, Bush did.

The Demon 11-05-2009 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16511662)
Wow you suck at this.

I never said Obama hasn't done bailouts.

But the fact still remains, your wrong.... Obama did not put us Trillions into Debt, Bush did.

Wow, what an idiot. First, the world is you're. Second, when one initiates the bailouts, one buts the country into debt. Bush's debt when he left was close to 500 billion. Obama's right now is bordering 1.5 trillion and another 8 trillion when he's done. You lose, move along.

TurboAngel 11-05-2009 07:50 AM

New page?

TheDoc 11-05-2009 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16511698)
Wow, what an idiot. First, the world is you're. Second, when one initiates the bailouts, one buts the country into debt. Bush's debt when he left was close to 500 billion. Obama's right now is bordering 1.5 trillion and another 8 trillion when he's done. You lose, move along.

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16505388)
Omg no I made a typo!!!! Using your idiotic logic, anythin you say is irrelevant and without credibility because you're a porn peddler. ROFL what a clown.

Did you say the WORLD is You're? World?

Simply put... you got shut down and now YOU posting, stupid shit... oh wait, another typo - let's pull out the typo police.


Here is proof of Bush's trillion dollar debts. And this doesn't even factor in his war of lies.

$30 billion
Bear Stearns 2008 JP Morgan Chase and the federal government bailed out Bear Stearns when the financial giant neared collapse. JP Morgan purchased Bear Stearns for $236 million; the Federal Reserve provided a $30 billion credit line to ensure the sale could move forward.

$400 billion
Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac 2008 On Sep. 7, 2008, Fannie and Freddie were essentially nationalized: placed under the conservatorship of the Federal Housing Finance Agency. Under the terms of the rescue, the Treasury has invested billions to cover the companies' losses. Initially, Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson put a ceiling of $100 billion for investments in each company. In February, Tim Geithner raised it to $200 billion. The money was authorized by the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008.

$180 billion
American International Group (A.I.G.) 2008 On four separate occasions, the government has offered aid to AIG to keep it from collapsing, rising from an initial $85 billion credit line from the Federal Reserve to a combined $180 billion effort between the Treasury ($70 billion) and Fed ($110 billion). ($40 billion of the Treasury’s commitment is also included in the TARP total.)

$25 billion
Auto Industry 2008 In late September 2008, Congress approved a more than $630 billion spending bill, which included a measure for $25 billion in loans to the auto industry. These low-interest loans are intended to aid the industry in its push to build more fuel-efficient, environmentally-friendly vehicles. The Detroit 3 -- General Motors, Ford and Chrysler -- will be the primary beneficiaries.

$700 billion
Troubled Asset Relief Program 2008 In October 2008, Congress passed the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act, which authorized the Treasury Department to spend $700 billion to combat the financial crisis. Treasury has been doling out the money via an alphabet soup of different programs. Here’s our running tally of companies getting TARP funds.

$280 billion
Citigroup 2008 Citigroup received a $25 billion investment through the TARP in October and another $20 billion in November. (That $45 billion is also included in the TARP total.) Additional aid has come in the form of government guarantees to limit losses from a $301 billion pool of toxic assets. In addition to the Treasury's $5 billion commitment, the FDIC has committed $10 billion and the Federal Reserve up to about $220 billion.

Bank of America 2009 Bank of America has received $45 billion through the TARP, which includes $10 billion originally meant for Merrill Lynch. (That $45 billion is also included in the TARP total.) In addition, the government has made guarantees to limit losses from a $118 billion pool of troubled assets. In addition to the Treasury's $7.5 billion commitment, the FDIC has committed $2.5 billion and the Federal Reserve up to $87.2 billion.

TurboAngel 11-05-2009 07:54 AM

So Doc what are we supposed to do?

12clicks 11-05-2009 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 16509611)
so when the paid professionals say that a real fear for a lot of Americans is going bankrupt due to medical costs, they are lying?

yes they are.

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 16509611)
I'm begging you to do the research yourself in regards to the Socialized Medicine. That line of 'anyone can walk into a hospital' is one of the very reasons your current system is obsolete. You can't budget for costs that you can't predict, and leaving millions uninsured with however many more millions in aliens, you are spending a LOT more than what you should be

it's good business sense. i'm having a hard time figuring out why the republicans aren't getting that

those of us opposed to government run healthcare (its not just republicans or the democrats wouldn't be worried about voting for it and being voted out of office for it) are not against everyone being able to get healthcare. We're just smart enough to know that there is NOTHING the government does that can't be done better by the private sector.
V/A hospitals- grossly mismanaged with billions wasted
post office- grossly mismanaged with billions wasted
social security- grossly mismanaged with billions wasted
medicaid/medicare- grossly mismanaged with billions wasted

but now we want to put 275 million Americans who already have healthcare under the government's control because 30 million are uninsured? yeah, thats an intelligent way to go.

also, those of us intelligent enough to understand that a healthy United States can not run a 9 trillion dollar deficit want to see LESS government money spent, not more.

This healthcare "crisis" is a lie. its no more a crisis than it was 1, 5, or 10 years ago.
the "more people than ever don't have healthcare" hysteria is a LIE. People don't have jobs. fix the fucking economy.

lastly, this healthcare bill is a LIE. It has not ever been passed and they are already lying about the cost. The bill relies on what, 300 billion in medicaid/medicare cuts that will be voted on separately at a later date?
my fellow Americans, clueless as you are, wake up! congress will NEVER pass those cuts. then our lord obama will trot out and say,"my plan was good but the republicans wouldn't vote for my wise medicaid reform bill"
The lying lord obama said he wouldn't sign a healthcare bill if it raised the deficit by one cent.
Are you THAT stupid? the healthcare bill (with its fantasy land medicaid cuts) will cost 900 billion dollars over 10yrs. in 10yrs. the deficit (by our lord's and the CBO's estimates) will by 9 trillion dollars. it currently is a little over 1 trillion dollars. Are you REALLY that gullible?

intelligent Americans understand that when your credit cards are maxed out and beyond your ability to pay more than the intrest on them, you don't refurnish your house by applying for new credit cards.

I just don't understand what the unintelligent Americans are thinking...............

TheDoc 11-05-2009 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboAngel (Post 16511728)
So Doc what are we supposed to do?


The people were greatly against the bailouts when Bush did them, without question - a majority. That didn't stop the Gov though, so really... I have no idea.

Vote different people in, if it happens again? I'm not up for a revolution, I already did my fighting.

Other than, make sure people have the historical facts correct and get people to stop spewing lies..

The Demon 11-05-2009 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16511715)
Did you say the WORLD is You're? World?

Simply put... you got shut down and now YOU posting, stupid shit... oh wait, another typo - let's pull out the typo police.


Here is proof of Bush's trillion dollar debts. And this doesn't even factor in his war of lies.

$30 billion
Bear Stearns 2008 JP Morgan Chase and the federal government bailed out Bear Stearns when the financial giant neared collapse. JP Morgan purchased Bear Stearns for $236 million; the Federal Reserve provided a $30 billion credit line to ensure the sale could move forward.

$400 billion
Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac 2008 On Sep. 7, 2008, Fannie and Freddie were essentially nationalized: placed under the conservatorship of the Federal Housing Finance Agency. Under the terms of the rescue, the Treasury has invested billions to cover the companies' losses. Initially, Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson put a ceiling of $100 billion for investments in each company. In February, Tim Geithner raised it to $200 billion. The money was authorized by the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008.

$180 billion
American International Group (A.I.G.) 2008 On four separate occasions, the government has offered aid to AIG to keep it from collapsing, rising from an initial $85 billion credit line from the Federal Reserve to a combined $180 billion effort between the Treasury ($70 billion) and Fed ($110 billion). ($40 billion of the Treasury?s commitment is also included in the TARP total.)

$25 billion
Auto Industry 2008 In late September 2008, Congress approved a more than $630 billion spending bill, which included a measure for $25 billion in loans to the auto industry. These low-interest loans are intended to aid the industry in its push to build more fuel-efficient, environmentally-friendly vehicles. The Detroit 3 -- General Motors, Ford and Chrysler -- will be the primary beneficiaries.

$700 billion
Troubled Asset Relief Program 2008 In October 2008, Congress passed the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act, which authorized the Treasury Department to spend $700 billion to combat the financial crisis. Treasury has been doling out the money via an alphabet soup of different programs. Here?s our running tally of companies getting TARP funds.

$280 billion
Citigroup 2008 Citigroup received a $25 billion investment through the TARP in October and another $20 billion in November. (That $45 billion is also included in the TARP total.) Additional aid has come in the form of government guarantees to limit losses from a $301 billion pool of toxic assets. In addition to the Treasury's $5 billion commitment, the FDIC has committed $10 billion and the Federal Reserve up to about $220 billion.

Bank of America 2009 Bank of America has received $45 billion through the TARP, which includes $10 billion originally meant for Merrill Lynch. (That $45 billion is also included in the TARP total.) In addition, the government has made guarantees to limit losses from a $118 billion pool of troubled assets. In addition to the Treasury's $7.5 billion commitment, the FDIC has committed $2.5 billion and the Federal Reserve up to $87.2 billion.

How stupid are you seriously? I mean it's mind boggling. Do you know the difference between "creating" and "initiating"? These are Obama's debts because he initiated the plans, after Bush asked him if he wanted to or not. You really should quit while you're behind, this is just sad.

TurboAngel 11-05-2009 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16511759)
The people were greatly against the bailouts when Bush did them, without question - a majority. That didn't stop the Gov though, so really... I have no idea.

Vote different people in, if it happens again? I'm not up for a revolution, I already did my fighting.

Other than, make sure people have the historical facts correct and get people to stop spewing lies..

I wish we could have gotten someone other than him in but now we're stuck and there isn't much we can do until it's time to vote.

The Demon 11-05-2009 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboAngel (Post 16512130)
I wish we could have gotten someone other than him in but now we're stuck and there isn't much we can do until it's time to vote.

It's looking more and more like the republicans are going to control everything the Democrats are controlling now, come midterm elections and then 2012 presidency. The American people switch sides faster than informants.

TheDoc 11-05-2009 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16512071)
How stupid are you seriously? I mean it's mind boggling. Do you know the difference between "creating" and "initiating"? These are Obama's debts because he initiated the plans, after Bush asked him if he wanted to or not. You really should quit while you're behind, this is just sad.


How did Obama Initiate a bailout before he even won the election? You may want to look at the dates and truly, stop being stupid..

That's some l33t super powers now..

TheDoc 11-05-2009 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboAngel (Post 16512130)
I wish we could have gotten someone other than him in but now we're stuck and there isn't much we can do until it's time to vote.

I voted for Ron Paul.... no idea wtf the rest of the Country was thinking.


But if I had to pick Obama vs. McCain and crew... Give me Obama any day of the week.


So far Obama hasn't been around long enough or done enough, to make me go agaisnt him and his policies. That doesn't mean I agree with everything he does or says.

But I'm not going to call him a failure either, he hasn't failed and I don't think he will.


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