Now wait a minute, lets not be too hasty here.

Lets just nuke New Jersey first, and see how well that works out. There are a lot of hot women in Texas and some pretty good fishing. Would be a shame to mess that up.

Soldiers aren't allowed to be armed on the base. Not in the sense that they can walk around armed that is. Only the MPs.

You are a fucking idiot (I realize that is not a new development :winkwink:). Military bases have extremely tight controls on weapons and there very few weapons around except for those held by military police.

Ah fuck you, like this had anything at all to do with Obama.

It was a Muslim Psychiatrist (of all people, though they snap often). Apparently showed previous signs of distress and possibly was mocked a bit by others. This was before his first deployment. Considering he is still alive and not dead, we will get more info.

As for the gun comment. Nobody aside from the MP's are walking around armed with live ammo. Especially in the area that they were in. With a trained soldier of course, surprised he was not able to kill more with two handguns. The body count could/would of been very different if it were not for the armed MP's.

Really?? Then I completely, totally and 100% APOLOGIZE for that ignorant comment of mine. Please forgive.

A prayer for the victims.

muster up the firing squad.

Agreed. This has nothing to do with partisan politics. I strongly disapprove of Obama but he has nothing to do with this tragedy. That is absurd. :disgust

I sort of miss the days where newsrooms actually got their stories fact checked before they went on air with 'facts'. Stories like this show how the rush to be first gets in the way of reporting an accurate story.

there weapons are not non functioning you just don't get any ammo unless your at the range or authorized to carry a loaded weapon. like a military police officer. or an armory guard. outside of that your just carrying empty weapons


I was stationed at Ft Hood before getting out! It was huge compared to the other bases I was stationed at Camp Lejeune and Norfolk Naval Base maybe 10 times the size of camp lejeune for anyone that has been stationed there

The spin on this will sling shit for miles.......

It will interesting to see who get splattered.

Australia's Daily Telegraph:

The postings appeared to have been made by Major Nidal Malik Hasan, who was wounded during the shootings at Fort Hood, Texas.

Hasan was earlier thought to have been killed during the massacre.

One of the officials said that federal search warrants were being drawn up to authorize the seizure of Hasan's computer. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.

One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

"To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its (sic) more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause," said the Internet posting. "Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers."

No shit. Multiple shooters witnessed, lone gunman, gunman has been dead for hours and now suddenly he's alive. Turning out to be a classic false flag.

Actually, the media was told by a Ft Hood spokesperson at the first news conference that the shooter was killed. The Army did not correct this, even though they knew otherwise, until another news conference about four hours later.

The blame for this misinformation lies with the military spokesperson, not the media. :2 cents:

ADG

Can you elaborate on that? I noticed that at one point they were reporting 12 dead, then it dropped to 11. What else did they get wrong?

Yea a classic false flag where the government fails to control the narrative and allows multiple conflicting reports to come out and muddy the waters. Nice detective work Sherlock. :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh

Oh thats right we need to wait for the "official story"

Not only was he muslim, biochemist and a psychologist but also graduated from Virginia Tech. Hows that for a patsy if you ever seen one?

The alive/dead thing didn't bother me that much and I don't even blame the FBI for perhaps intentionally not saying he is alive. Especially when they were themselves starting an investigation.

I was following the story, obviously because of the start time of the thread, since it first broke and from there it has been nothing but speculation. Which, is not at all something unique to this story these days. It is something that I find really frustrating in this age of 24 hour news. When I went to journalism school my professors would go nuts if every fact we presented hadn't been researched. Obviously,with the need to be the first news station to broadcast a 'fact' they just don't do fact checking in breaking news things these days or at least not to the level they should. So, you have the guy's name in the wrong order for ages, you have speculation on where he was deployed, when..his religion, how long he has been following that religion, etc. All things which spending a decent time developing a story off the air would negate or at least if you got it wrong it wasn't for not trying your best. They go live on air with guests they should have done more screening on. They take calls from so-called witnesses that get air time even though they are simply somebody who lives nearby that knows somebody that somebody told something to.

It is just the way things are now but drives me nuts. I am a news junkie and I love the buzz of a breaking story but I like getting researched reporting rather than just people filling air time until they can report a 'fact'.

That's because the story was fed to them by the government. They are "repeaters" not "reporters"

Looking like they needed to silence the "lone shooter"

The gunman who killed 12 people today at Ft. Hood appears, based on current media reports, to be Army psychiatrist Nidal Hasan who was listed as a participant in a Homeland Security Policy Institute's presidential transition task force last year.

The task force was not officially affiliated with the White House. It was a project of the Homeland Security Policy Institute, an independent thinktank housed at George Washington University, aimed at drafting policy recommendations for the incoming Obama administration.

According to the task force's May 2009 report [pdf], a "Nidal Hasan" from the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine was a task force event participant. Other participants included Senate and House staffers, Department of Homeland Security officials, Defense Department officials, and reporters for Politico, the Washington Post, and the London Times.

http://gawker.com/5398253/nidal-hasa...er-preparation

Fuck me you conspiracy people are fucking weird and fast to draw one up.

Watch, he had the secret to H1N1 and was going to blow it open.

Use some common sense. They've been saying all day this guy was dead and some army reject but now that it's coming out he's recently been promoted and was on a homeland security think tank for the incoming president it's kind of hard to paint him as a homegrown terrorist don't ya think?

I'm sure they are going to try and keep on spinning it though. I'd lay money on this guy never making it to trial but first he's not going to remember much, if anything, about what went on today.

its fucked up

Nevermind, just read the more recent reports. Crazy.

Lone gunman eh? And how did this mutherfucker get 2.5 miles away from a secure base after a mass shooting?

(CNN) -- A senior officer who was playing golf Thursday near Fort Hood, Texas, told CNN he witnessed the arrest of one of the two surviving suspects of the shooting at the Army installation.

Shortly after the shooting, the officer said, military police told him to clear the course and he saw other MPs surround the building that held the golf carts, he said.

The senior officer said he ducked into a nearby house for cover as 30 to 40 cars carrying MPs approached.

He said he saw a soldier in battle-dress uniform, his hands in the air. The MPs ordered him to lie on the ground and open his uniform, presumably to ensure he was not carrying explosives, the senior officer said.

He said an MP told him that authorities considered the man to be a suspect in the shootings after having overheard the man say he was with the shooter.

The man was surrounded for 25 to 30 minutes, until a convoy of vehicles arrived, led by a Ford Crown Victoria and carrying men in suits, and he was taken away, the senior officer said.

The golf course is about 2.5 miles from Fort Hood, the officer told CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/05/...ood.witnesses/

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:2 cents: :winkwink:

ADG

First - you're an idiot.

Secondly, if he was quick enough, he may have been able to drive off post before the gates received word of the shooting. Most likely, considering that he was only a couple of miles away, he simply picked a direction and walked. It's not as if a post the size of Fort Hood is fenced in.

To clarify, a soldier (not a war) hardly ever sees their weapon unless they're at a firing range to re-qualify, or, more often, when they are in the field doing training, in which case they wouldn't be supplied ammunition.

Post versus base: When I was in the Army, (stationed at Fort Hood, by the way) we always said 'post.' The Army had posts, the Navy had bases. But today, even army.com refers to Army installations as bases.

Don't know how accurate it is, but it says two suspects.

That sounds like something straight out of the Fox hymn book.

It is like seeing how quickly a conversation can go from grown up table to psych ward.

probably tired of constantly hearing his fellow soliders talking about killing 'ragheads'.

Wow, I wouldn't have know that without GFY.

I was just watching The Today show for last 30 minutes, and it was 100% fluff pieces -- with no mention of a shooting at a military base.

crazy stuff

i was thinkin almost the same thing, what a sick and weak minded people are gathered in Gfy...

I guess the pledge of allegience doesnt mean much.. even to a Major ready to deploy.

What a cowardly asshole. I'm glad that he wasn't killed. Now his punishment and suffering can begin.

My thinking exactly. What is wrong with these dumbasses who join the military and don't want to fight?

I was stations a few blocks from where that took place

he could easily have got to the closest gate (maybe a mile from the shooting) in just a few minutes

he is a muslim that didn't like how the west is treating muslims.
he yelled "Alla Akbar" ("god is great") and started killing everybody.

Yeah but it isn't like anybody has ever killed somebody in the so-called name of Jesus. Ask an abortion doctor. Just saying god is great doesn't mean anything other than he was Muslim and was about to do something insane and most likely end up dead. Like a Catholic crossing themselves before doing something risky. He went nuts for whatever reason.

So we have updates. The 'lone shooter" was carrying a revolver and a semi-auto. The wounded sustained "multiple" wounds. Reports that some of the wounded were shot up so much that you couldn't even tell how many entry and exit wounds they had. Now a revolver can old has 6 rounds. The semi-auto averages 8-10 but can go as high as 16. This guy would have had to reload a number of times amidst countless battle ready soldiers..

This is complete bullshit. This is/was a race baiting incident to get stupid Americans wanting to go kill brown people. They are already calling this an act of war.. Oh and BTW our lone shooter has a traumatic brain injury. How convenient. I guess we'll only know the story that's made up for him. He'll never be able to tell us about being a part Obama's transition team.

its official hes palestian descent
he yelled allahu akbar when killing

gave korans to neighbours before killing

never ever missed a friday prayer

used to walk around the fort sometimes in muslim attire

and wasnt married cause he couldnt find a devout muslim girl as much as him but wanted a girl

got disciplined a few times by the army for trying to convert his patients to ISLAM as a psychiatrist

friends say he didnt want to kill fellow muslims in iraq, therefore rather kill non muslims

sad, but the same premise remains as all terrorist attacks, they have some inferior mentality towards non muslims (kafirs/infidels)

thought id post in this thread
i live in the city that all the soldiers live in ( killeen )

i have personally been effected by this and im not going into any further detail than that but our lives in our town have been turned upside down.

our town is strangely quite and calm at the moment.

No one really knows what to do

stupidest post in this thread ;/

naw not now a days man ... it is not easy getting on post ...even if you are in uniform.

And getting off isnt a cake walk either

100% pure bullshit

Onwebcam's problem is not stupidity (although that almost certainly contributes)......... he is mentally disabled. Have some compassion for those less fortunate than you. Even severely disabled people deserve to be treated with dignity. :)

yeah I'm mentally ill and your so easy to believe whatever story your told.

A 21 year veteran recently promoted high ranking officer with years of continued education and multiple degrees who also just happened to sit on a incoming presidential advisory committee (sorry but you don't get all of those perks being some reject/troublemaker) the day after which supposedly starts posting anti-american sentiment and not long after begins to really express his muslim religion wearing muslim garb which causes conflicts on the base. Eventually goes on a mass killing spree beyond the realm of possibility and becomes 1 lone dead gunman. That is until hours later 1 lone alive gunman because they "lost track of him." All of this after numerous reports of there being multiple shooters. Our one lone gunman is now going to likely be a brain dead show trial poster boy and the story is the "other shooters" are friendly fire..

Give me a motherfucking break...

i live about a hour from there..... crazy stuff

Clearly, as I live in London, I have been in an area after a terrorist attack has shook the population. However, I still couldn't really imagine what it would be like to be where you are right now.

Everyone ready to go kill some brown people?


Fort Hood shooting: Texas army killer linked to September 11 terrorists

Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. His mother's funeral was held there in May that year.

The preacher at the time was Anwar al-Awlaki, an American-born Yemeni scholar who was banned from addressing a meeting in London by video link in August because he is accused of supporting attacks on British troops and backing terrorist organisations.

Hasan's eyes "lit up" when he mentioned his deep respect for al-Awlaki's teachings, according to a fellow Muslim officer at the Fort Hood base in Texas, the scene of Thursday's horrific shooting spree.

As investigators look at Hasan's motives and mindset, his attendance at the mosque could be an important piece of the jigsaw. Al-Awlaki moved to Dar al-Hijrah as imam in January, 2001, from the west coast, and three months later the September 11 hijackers Nawaf al-Hamzi and Hani Hanjour began attending his services. A third hijacker attended his services in California.

Hasan was praying at Dar al-Hijrah at about the same time, and the FBI will now want to investigate whether he met the two terrorists.

Charles Allen, a former under-secretary for intelligence at the Department of Homeland Security, has described al-Awlaki, who now lives in Yemen, as an "al-Qaeda supporter, and former spiritual leader to three of the September 11 hijackers... who targets US Muslims with radical online lectures encouraging terrorist attacks from his new home in Yemen".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...errorists.html