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The tubes are just weeding out the smaller webmasters that are not willing to work harder. Adapting is a hard thing to do especially when going into new territory. The old way of making money is over.......
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So are your saying we should let torrents pass around content that we paid for? If thats the case forget the porn you can just send me the cash you would have paid the producer. I like cash much more than porn! :winkwink: As for tubes they have their place, but not with my content plastered all over them while they reap the benefits of my hard work. The paid tube model has merits, if thats the preferred method of distribution , I don't disagree, go with it, just do it legally and without my content(yea I have seen that too) If there wasn't free full length stuff out there, there would be value in even the shittiest pay site, giving away everything for free like some of these sites do devalues(is that even a word?) my sites. Plus they would be forced to buy or go without, turning a decent percentage of the cheap bastards into buying customers. Yes, the good ole days are gone, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be trying to preserve what future we have left. |
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You are never going to get the traffic brokers, and traffic tube dudes, to worry about the producer/content/BROgrams issues. As long as BROgrams are willing to pay the ransom to the traffic guys. They are going to keep doing whatever gets them traffic. Whether 20 minute videos, or your whole pay site on their traffic/tube site until they are caught and DMCA'd. That is one, of many, things that get missed in these threads. This is not one cohesive industry with like minded priorities and concerns. Traffic guys need traffic, and will do whatever they need to get it. BROgrams need traffic, and will pay whomever, whatever, ransom they command. In the end they will claim they have to do it to keep up with the Jones's. That is how this industry, and much of the world, works. If you want to stop the problem, then stop what feeds the problem. BROgrams paying the ransom. Without money, the tubes can't pay their bandwidth bill. However, that will never happen. Greed will always win out in the end. Always. :2 cents: |
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and that's all I am just suggesting we all work together to do. A collective effort to cover everyone ass. No we aren't a cohesive industry but we need to figure something out, soon.. and I just like throwing around ideas that no one out there gets...:1orglaugh |
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Boycotting message boards, making daily threads whining to the heavens about tubes, crying in your beer, playing the blame game, is not going to accomplish anything. However, that seems to the be uniform game plan of the adult online industry. That said, trying to get an industry rife with traffic mercenaries, content thieves, shady cross selling BROgrams, and beer money barons to unify as a collective to do something to save the industry long term is not on the radar for most. They came into this looking at adult online as a lotto ticket, or quick way to make money. They are not vested in the long term part of the industry, nor care about the destruction of today on the sales results of tomorrow. It is all about hitting it hard and fast, make as much money as you can, and cash out. Then move on to whatever they next rip off is. Sad to say, but that is the fact for a lot, not all, in the adult industry. Only around 10% are truly vested in the long term interests of this industry, and it's longevity as livelihood or career. :2 cents: |
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Plus I don't know if you read my other post but the main source of piracy is not the torrent or tube site but the very easy http file sharing systems around! which function independent of a hub! so as long as the pirate is free to function regardless of existence of hubs he can still sell or distribute your content for free and very easily. |
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But I am an optimist, always have been, no fair crushing my dreams of a collective effort to rid ourselves of evil... LOL |
Times of transition are usually the times the next wave of millionaires are made.
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Why do people pay $2 to get their money out of a non-network ATM?
Porn will always be paid for... The majority of people looking at tube sites weren't buying porn in the first place and certainly weren't looking at porn as much as they are now. |
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File sharing, admittedly I don't know much about, are we talking how Napster used to be say back in the late 90's? I'm old and blond you have to explain. ;) |
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HTTTP://www.rapidshare.com and then you upload a porn dvd on it , then it generates a link for you then you can put that link on a forum people can directly download it by just clicking on the link. you can get up to 16 mbit per second speed compare it to to 100k of torrent! We have down a simple survey a normal porn forum, they tend to get 1.5 million downloads per month!thats 18 million downloads per forum, every download is either a full clip or a part of dvdrip of porn production, there are over 100 forums that are like this. torrents are for pro users that can install application and can wait for porn these people who would have not bought your porn in the first place because they don't care about instant access whereas the HTTP file sharing systems are instant access and if you have good connections like th ones in London or France or here you can download a whole dvd in less than 10 minutes. have read of this page as well it is very short : degban.com/faq.htm#faq_8 |
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Porn is....and always will be...an IMPULSE buy.
Sure..people surf tubes...but when they find a site that ACTUALLY provides what it promises and is what they are looking for...they will join. Most people surfing for porn dont spend countless hours searching for what they want....if it were in a neat compact delivery that gives them exactly what they want to spank to they will be members for a long time.... What most of the folks around here miss is the exact reason people surf for porn as opposed to buying it anymore...anonymity. You no longer have to go to a store....keep a cache of porn hidden in some discreet location in your house...simply surf it up and leave no evidence....once you understand how surfers interact with their needs...your traffic will grow...as ours has....we are doing more sales than ever right now.....yes..even more sales than 1999.... it is NOT the end of the world....just the end for people who cant see it coming. |
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Ask any of the guys who have been around if they would make more money if porn was no longer a fucking free-for-all, and every one of them would agree.... you made more money, by far, when porn was taboo, hard to come by, and not fucking free! To defend tubes and torrents is just a pathetic way of saying "the industry is killing itself from within, and we are helpless to ever correct this problem." |
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Why do people pay $2 to get their money out of a non-network ATM?
They pay the fee because it is more convenient than finding their free bank branch. It is the opposite with tubes. Tubes are more convenient, and they are free. Porn will always be paid for... Not sure why you are so confident this is such a sure thing. A whole lot LESS people are paying for porn now that it is free. The majority of people looking at tube sites weren't buying porn in the first place and certainly weren't looking at porn as much as they are now. That's a bold statement. It may have been true with TGPs and MGPs, but now there are MILLIONS of people who ONLY use tubes. I would say many of them WERE people who WOULD HAVE pad for porn, but now that it is free, they no longer have to. |
for the time people spend starting and replying to these threads time would be better spent trying new approaches and experiments at least to hedge your bets ....
also a good thought experiment is "how will i make money online if all content is free and worthless?" there are millions of approaches. unless you want to be back at the cubicle it's best to start thinking along those lines. |
the world and economy does not give a flying fuck whether you think free porn is fair or not.
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TGPs were good, until you had to have more than 20 hi-res pics in a gallery and less than two freakin ads to get listed. MGP I was never a mgp fan, damn it why are we giving away movies, thats what photos are for, teaser so they buy a membership to see the movies. Freesites, I was a fan until you were required to have 30 freakin pics or 6 clips, hello, they were meant to drive traffic to a sponsor not something that would give the viewer enough porn to jack off to! tubes, yeah what a joke! So much for teasing a customer into buying lets just give them the farm and hope they know how to milk the cow, if they don't, they have plenty of time to learn, here's 200 hours of free content to figure it out! Torrent/file share site, complete bullshit! If you were around way back, 1998ish you know what I am talking about, there was free porn around but you had to work your ass off to find it and then they were 90x120 pics that you could only hope to get enough detail out of to be "stimulating". Yes, I am living in the past for a moment. It was a great time! But I said it then and I'll say it now, to much free stuff is going to ruin our industry. |
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http://www.pornorip.net/ this is a torrent site which seeds off http downloads this site has nearly 0.001 what is available on the real piracy scene. |
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Show me where more people are paying for porn today, as opposed to two years ago. Are you suggesting your ass numbers are better than mine? |
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I needed a day away from trying new aproaches! So I snuggled up in bed and worked on changing the porn industry...lol |
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And I see my own sales better than ever and I still do mostly TGPs...I have actually better sales than in 2005. But even in 2005 90% of all affiliates complained about shitty sales. They always complain, it seems. I'm sure many complained about sales in 1996, too. |
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2001 porn sales 10-14 billion
2008 porn sales 13.3 billion Now figure in inflation. Less porn is being sold now than in 2001. |
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Shy of a few new international laws, and/or some exciting technologies, this biz is on the fast track to nowhere. |
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http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_New...2601249937059/ Here is a portion... Since 2007, revenue for most adult production and distribution companies has dropped between 30 percent and 50 percent, and the number of new films has declined as well, industry insiders said. |
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How do you explain that big tube sites send hundreds or even thousands of sales to paysites each day? Why would people join a paysite coming from a full movies tube site? Think about that. All about a unique product. |
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Do you really think the THOUSANDS of videos they are offering are user-uploaded? Just make tubes 2257 responsible, like the rest of us, and most will go bye bye fast. So-called "unique content" will be up on torrents and tubes just as fast as you can film it, so that argument gets old fast as well. |
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It doesn't matter if the content ends up on the tubes, if its unique enough and regularly updated, it will still have a shitload of paying members. |
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If a chap in your local pub gives you 30 free pirated DVD's would you go out and bother to buy the real copies? No, you will watch those then go back and get more of him. But he may sell you some t-shirts next time you see him. Tube sites are great for surfers. They are FULL of free porn thats so easy to watch. Why bother to join a pay site? |
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