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We do not produce FOR the feeds, its just one more revenue source from content produced/bought The feeds are also one of our newest, just announced in Vegas last January. Next B2B content related project has been in the works and i expect that i can announce that in 2 months :thumbsup |
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I have one more venture i need out of the way before i can commit to anything new but that is not far off at this point. |
Mine will stay the same. But obviously a lot of companies have already stopped shooting pretty much. And seems the bigger the company, the less ability they have to adapt. So the bigger ones will continue to shoot less. When I read what you said about model agencies talking about raising models prices...well, that is just wishful thinking on their part.
I'm glad I do what I do. I wouldn't trade places with 99% of the companies out there for anything. They are in a world of hurt, while my little plan that everybody thought couldn't work 2 years ago just keeps on making money. :) |
On a last note for a bit i will say this!
In 2010 people need to get their head out of the sand and start talking to the guy next to you. There is FAR too much "mind your own business" - "non responsive" business owners today, more then ever actually and i do not see how they will survive. Widen your horizon :winkwink: |
There will be *less* professional porn production: internet free porn is undermining the established business model.
There will be *more* homemade porn production: the proliferation of mobile camera devices will turn users into producers. |
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Anyone that for a second thinks that this will be bad for business should think outside the tiny box they are in :) Edit: This will and have already opened up for emerging markets such as Argentina, East Euro markets "not including CZ and Hungary as they are blown out of porpotion already", Mexico, again list goes on. If the original question was! Will there be less porn produces in North America, Western europe? then YES...i see 9 of 10 companies shutting down if all they do is productions! |
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This is exemplified in the movie, "Boogie Nights". Particularly the part about porn moving from cinema to video tape. Less professional actors, directors, and big budget flix to what we have had with the introduction of VHS. Just like Burt Reynold's character. You adapt or die. |
A lot of truth in the statements made here, and it does not have to be one truth that will prevail....Several different things can be happening at the same time.
Just as TV stations move to reality programs spending less per hour on programs other subscriptions services have increased their ambition and productions....So you get both BIG BROTHER and HBO 's THE WIRE. The technology that destroyed porn film production is coming full circle and as the quality increases its potential returns to that film look. For lots amateur shot porn will look great on their phone but for others it will be unwatchable on their home cinema system. People will still pay for material they can't get for free or just for the ease and safety of use. A lot of the problems of the industry seems to me to be caused by itself...The amount of material which is pumped out in the form of galleries and promotional materials and the short life time it is up, has produced an audience which could watch free material 24 / 7. A slow down and a reduction of the sheer amount of free stuff would help...I suspect that major sites pump it out more to drown the competition than to make sales. An attitude that a website can be built just on links and others materials means that there are 1000's of very small websites with no real originality or content. Websites which have real original content still have traffic which converts when sent on to paysites. We have a few affiliates who send us good traffic. A lot who send so small amounts they will never be able to judge on our conversions. But we ourselves make the most sales through are own efforts of google/ adwords/ galleries... I am always puzzled by us not having more affiliates as really it works out that on average affiliates earn $0.10 per click they send us. So that means that people are earning more than $0.10 with other sites, so things can't be that bad can they? We are still in production but we have seen production in the UK shrink but that could be down to poor models and model agencies. So we look to Prague and Budapest for talent. Also we see no point in shooting another girl on couch clip, but will be continuing to make a few high value movies with the best looking girls we can find. Like 1) a musical, 2) a comedy 3)short story based on classic literature...In fact the opposite to what people would expect and to appeal to an audience that like the erotic but don't like the woman hating low quality crap porn ( no offense - as The Godfather said I don't mind how a person makes his living) I just to show its not all from one side I bought a membership to a Czech Site and downloaded all their movies, and I thought it was great value for money. 3 months on I still havn't watched it all and the girls are hot. http://www.cinemaerotique.com/pp/CinemaEgirl008.jpg Shooting more like this soon.... |
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As always one of the most thought out replies there is... :thumbsup |
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As for Digitaldivasonline.com, as always, a work in progress. And I am starting to promote it finally. Even though the naysayers said that without scripts and other TGP shit, DDO would never make it, my CCBill conversions last year were still 1:276.5, which is awesome. One thing I was not expecting was that it would turn into a network... And that it would grow from a TGP to an index and directory. DDO will be around for the long haul. I have simply put too much work, blood sweat and tears into it to let it go... If anything, I hope to expand my network in 2010 and grow my talent with BFO... |
As the re hashed content gets boring, new content needs to be shot. You can only sell that dated shit so many times. So I think this year will be a good year for content production, but it will be less expensive to buy.
Personally, I wouldn't want to be only a content producer because that future is dim. There is still lots of money to be made shooting your own stuff, but shooting for others is losing value and more are producing it. |
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I am sure that adult production is going to be down overall in 2010 from 2009. After all, a lot of the medium sized companies with no real clue have by now gone out of business, sold out or moved on. But that doesn't necessarily mean that production will necessarily slow for every company or producer. The smaller companies and niche players will still be busy shooting for themselves, their own sites, clip stores, DVDs etc under the formulas that work for them. As well, the top porn studios and very biggest porn companies who have successful sites and/or DVD series will continue for the markets that they serve. Like Dan, said, even with the economy, societal changes and omnipresence of free porn, there are still a number of lucrative revenue streams to be exploited by re-purposing your content several different ways if you have quality content, style, personality or content that serves a niche or fetish market well.
I am fortunate that I keep pretty busy shooting the different kinds of content that I excel at, for some top programs and porn companies around the world. But there aren't a whole lot of independent producers left who can make a living at this game, that's for sure. I am continuing to shoot the hottest new American teen girls in solo, fetish, g/g and b/g and group sex action for demanding clients. I have put a lot of effort into new sources for recruiting the new faces that contribute to a lot of my business. And the occasional cool jobs like shooting adult software game apps, adult informercials, and other special projects always a neat to expand my skill sets. In 2009 I had been shooting more for myself as well. Despite the economy, I actually invested a significant amount of money and sweat equity into shooting unique new softcore and hardcore girl-girl and boy-girl content that I intend to market under my own brand in 2010 with the help of a couple of the biggest distributors and programs to release my new movies on DVDs, web sites and other markets. I feel strongly that nowadays especially that it is important to get feedback from the actual consumers who are your end users as well as the more immediate business to business target markets to make sure that you are on the right track and that you don't end up filming more boring, generic porn that just won't sell anymore. |
I speak to girls and they tell me how dead it is. The good thing for us is, girls who wouldnt have given us the time of day are now open to our shoots. Our shooting will be the same because our sites dictate that.
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Donny Long just hired me to be his production manager so 2010 should be a killer year for me. Donny told me so.
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Looks the vast majority of people agree with me that there will be less production in 2010.
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Will people be producing more of the same that's already out there or will they be thinking a bit more?
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Hopefully more of something different, I'm tired of seeing and promoting the same shit. I wish some of the mainstream programs would start creating REAL fetish sites.
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Really depends on what you mean by production? If its simply hours of new porn, then it will increase, however the increase will come from the amature market.
Technology will continue to decentralization porn production - when everyone owns a quality cam, then it will be used for sex :2 cents: |
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Anyone can attempt to shoot fetish, and I see more and more of them every year. You might as well lite your money on fire. I can look at most of their preview images and videos alone and within a few seconds see it is not shot by, and for, fetish folk. It is shot for profit only. Some will simply never learn that fetish people are very picky, and if you can't shoot it right. We know it. We will buy from the mom and pops over corporate almost any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. Simply because the mom and pops and smaller studios provide TRUE fetish material. Pornstars, or polished productions, are secondary concerns to fetish people. It is nice, we do not mind seeing that stuff. However, it is not a primary consideration on purchasing. Some BROgrams will simply never understand this. Which is why they fail. :2 cents: |
Very hard to say from mu point of view:(
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This system worked well for the producers and the models until very recently. As a producer by booking through the agents you were assured that the models would show up, it's almost like taking out insurance on your shoots. The models were happy because they were working every day and the agents made 10% off what their models earned and $100 booking fee per girl from the producers Now that producers don't make the same profits, if they profit at all, they don't shoot as often and would like to pay lower rates. Most models, because they aren't shooting, would be happy to take these lower rates Most agents won't let their models work for less because they think production is going to return to it's old levels soon. People would be surprised which agents actually understand things are never gone to return to the "old ways" and are willing to make deals with producers. |
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Great post EB and a thread well worth reading
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So unless you wanted to check file sharing (no full length free overload like it is today), then if you were looking for something new to jerk off to, you still had to "value" it minimally by the distributor's price (be it a clip download, VOD or subscription). Yet it's totally true that if someone jacks off, the material interests him exactly for a time period from 5 to 15 minutes and the only thing he cares about is if the girl (boy, tranny, hermaphrodite anything) and the practices involved turn him on. He could care less if someone spent 50 000 USD on production and lost half of his nose due coke abuse already or if it's a scene shot for 1500 USD. I've seen the approach of "if it cost a lot of money it has to be great" far too many times and while I believe content has its value and good and reliable content producers should get their fair share, it just shows the "golden days" attitude. Unless you're buying a celebrity sex tape, spending 50 000 USD on a movie just doesn't make sense at all and all the content in the world has only so much value as how is one able to market it. |
Logic says a lot less, we're on a verge of a big change in business model.
This being said, less but SMARTER content makes more sense (=$$$) than shitloads of nowadays dumbo-dumbo content. Personally, I think that the only content producers able to remain in business will be those that have a clue about the niches they shoot. And I'm not saying a slight clue (quite a bunch of content producers don't have it even that slight clue) but a real deep insight on it. As an example, take MOFOS. They have lots of sites, they shoot lots of content (although less than a year ago) and I can't tell the difference between every shot they do. It's all about a huge massive cock and 1 or 2 girls with awful surgeries that look like expensive whores being fucked for 40 minutes. No fantasy, no variety, no niche knowledge, no identification with the users.... just the same shoot time after time after time after time. I'm naming MOFOS, but it applies to many programs: once you see one shoot, you've seen them all |
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believe me, many programs opening fetish sites use this logic: "hey, we've a cool domain, why don't we do some fetish site? we can tell the photo/video people to shoot a girl with a cig and call it a smoking fetish site!" replace cig and smoking with any kind of fetish and you've the business master plan :thumbsup |
These days its all about getting the freshest face possible and presenting her in the most normal setting possible. At least thats how I see it. Of course the illegal tube sites dont help much.
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