OK, I'll toot my own horn, but I think the example is pretty valid since we're talking content. Back in 2006, I built many BYOTs for ARS. Anyone that knows about ARS BYOT (or simply takes a couple minutes to check it out) will know that they use good content (Matrix golden age, so to say) but ultraseen. Like the antichrist of exclusive content. On top of that, I only used picture content, no video at all.

Check stats from yesterday (I'm building my new portfolio so took those stats yesterday to display as example):

http://fdsign.com/stats/ars-byot-capture-1-7-2010.jpg

Now, check older stats:

http://fdsign.com/stats/capture-november2007.jpg

http://fdsign.com/stats/top-performing.gif

what do I mean with this (besides tooting my own horn)? That you don't need exclusive content, you don't need ultra high definition exclusive video, you don't even need new content. As long as the content fits the niche and you (or at least your designer) know what you're doing, you can make money anyway and convert as well.

Obviously. if the content is good, exclusive, high def and fitting the niche it would be better, but if you don't have a clue... why spend money on high quality content that will be off niche in 90% of cases? I don't wanna sound cocky but I never see any (and I mean ANY) program with exclusive, high quality, yadda yadda yadda content that could reach those numbers in the last 5 years. And you can see the traffic sources as well: plain TGP traffic from Boneme/Fuckk, Worldsex and some non recip TGP

In short, any content shooter that knows what he's doing could make a killing in the future. Same goes for programs (if you don't know the niche/s... hire people that knows!!!). And that's how the equation is explained: there might be 1, 2, maybe 3 content shooter that will shot more based on a more professional approach. Doubtful, but possible. But the majority of content shooters will shot a lot less, therefore the average will be a lot less, like EB said

voted :thumbsup

I am planning to get more blowjobs this year with my POV tranny movies :)

I agree with the agents, I think production will skyrocket in 2010 due to one large catalyst: the invention of the time machine. Alas, we will be able to go back in time to better days and production will skyrocket once again!

All I am going to say is the production side of the business is heavily out of touch with the industry and heavily flawed.

Yep, and the fucked up thing is...those same companies paying peanuts for "ugly" amateur girls are turning around and making great money on those girls!

That's why I was saying that you should start concentrating on shooting them yourself for your own site. Especially if you can shoot real amateur girls that have never shot before and never will again. That's what the people want to see. And to make it better...it won't be all over the tubes and torrents because the girls will be unknowns.

I'm telling you Jay, if I weren't doing the Claudia-Marie site and having the sucess I'm having with it...I would do EXACTLY what I'm advising you to do.

You're in L.A., you have your gear to shoot...I'd say take the money that any company will pay for those same old girls that get shot over and over by everybody...and invest it in tons of cheap shoots of you nailing amateur bitches. Hell, just do it POV. If you do it the right way and carefully set up each shoot with a little interview, and ONLY shoot real amateurs (no Sara Jays or Puma Swedes allowed) you can start creating an empire that will make more money than the guys paying you now to shoot content for them make.

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Yes sir can do!

yeh that says it all but shoot what you want in the style you want...own it. find a great partner to either webmaster with or sell it..or both.

I hope you realize Jay that Robbie here has just described, in exquisite detail, MY own little success story. Creating Mister Peabody, doing my own (cheap_ shoots, sometimes for no money. I know it sounds ridiculous when you look at the content, and the "quality", but I swear on a stack of Penthouses that it's he 'story' (marketing) that makes my Mister P. sales. And the marketing is...if I can do this YOU can do this, anyone can. Guys eat that shit UP!

And what have I done with the success Mister Peabody brought me? Fellucia Blow, and Sexxy Brandon, and MILF Mia, and now - to bring us back to what Robbie advised, and which I have been/am doing - taking those profits and shooting TONS of 'new' Mister Peabody content! 9 girls in 6 weeks (so far), with 7 more shoots scheduled. Fun for me (Mister P), some cash for the girls, profits for my company.

New Affiliate Program launching this month, new Homepage for Mister Peabody World, new websites, new amateurs fucked by Mister P on the cheap - my own little slice of heaven called success.

(The Blog I'm launching, after many requests, will 'tell the story' of Mister Peabody, Adventure by Adventure, along with how to, examples, support, help, advice, etc. Can you say 'Ka-ching'?_

You just have to have the ballz to do it. :D

Don't worry Jay, the economy is rapidly going down fast. PB girls will soon do porn, mark my words.

I would like borrow that time machine

I feel fairly qualified to do this. I've freelanced for all the major adult publishing houses. I founded my company in 1992, first in magazines and eventually moving to internet and swag and events etc. And I have a vagina.

I even have some thoughts on how to make sites women would frequent, which would make money. But not traditional membership sites.

I had a membership site aimed largely at women who like men some time back. I like shooting guys as well as chicks, and my magazines had always had a large female subscription base, so it seemed like a good idea. I like text, so it had more of that than some sites I've worked on. I think the content was decent, but it was disappointingly difficult to get female linklist-runners and bloggers and such to support it.

There are a few problems with selling to the average woman. A lot of women don't like the idea of someone else getting the sexual attention and appreciation. And most women think that it is never a woman's role to pay for it.

I probably have a larger female percentage of my audience than most sites, partly because the female perspective comes into play in what I produce, and partly because my niche is somewhat unconventional . . . so it attracts unconventional women. That said, I'd hate to try to make payroll based just on women's purchases, ya know.

The cam sites are sitting on a gold mine of amateurs - however right now they are not using its potential, probably because many cam business think its about being "live" that makes them attract customers, and misses that the biggest value is "personality" - which can be captured both live and recorded.

Of course many cam sites already have "clubs", but they are way too cookie cutter for the models personality to stand out, and for others to prompte... a cam sex site with a mashup of models, shooters, designers with byot options, could become the cam sex site to rule them all :2 cents:

I know when guys (and gals) usual look for cam sex, then they look for something that is "real" and that happens with "personality".

I was the AEE show and AVN awards last night.

I first went to the AAE show in 1994 and have gone every since except for 2001.

I was shocked how much the show has changed in the last year. There was an increase in the number of companies that were selling goods i.e. bed sheets, clothes, "medical" marijuana stuff, etc...

There were less than 20 production companies that had booths and very few girls signing; however it seemed that the attendance was about the same as last year.

The people in this thread who think that will be more production should have talked to the companies at the show.

Being a fish in a smaller pond isn't always a bad thing. I really got to thinking at the convention when I saw alot of the movies I have produced on my own being distributed by a monster company and heavily advertised. If only I had the money to do it myself my name would be on the boxcover.

Exactly, show now is all about products and strippers. RIP AVN soon Im sure.

When I read there were a lot of people there, I thought that was a good thing until I read this. I guess it was all just fans. I'm not surprised.

If there were less than 20 production companies there, then that speaks for itself.

Without even thinking about it for a second, I can guess who 7 or 8 of them were.

Evil Angel
Jules Jordan
Digital Playground
Hustler
Pure Play
IVD
Brazzers

Who else?

Everyday appeared to have a strong showing of fans. If I would have been there as a fan I think I would have had a pretty big sense of "buyers remorse" this year compared to past shows. The star power was lacking.

Actually Brazzers didn't have their own booth this year, just their logo inside of Jules' booth. Wicked had a booth, as did several of the other large and medium sized studios like Elegant Angel, Doghouse Digital, Girlfriend's Films, Vivid Video, Adam & Eve and several more.

Call up the distributor yourself...

It's an investment but probably the best one you will ever do.

I guess they are the only ones making $?

My goal this year is to shoot my own series and start my own production line. :thumbsup

Stick with what you are doing, you are doing well.

The only way I would recommend starting your own production company is if you can make a deal with distributor before you start shooting.

Your distributor had one of largest booths at the show.

What did they tell you.

Dan you were a business monster at AEE and Internext.

I tried and tried to divert you but you were focused.

I was like: "Hey Dan! I've got an ounce of blow and a dozen whores...let's party!"

And then Dan would reply: "No thank you Robbie, I have a meeting with a distributor and afterwards a company meeting to discuss forward ranging projects"

No matter what I did...Dan couldn't be deterred from business.

Then finally a couple of days ago he comes up to me all excited and says: "Hey Robbie! I need to talk to you!"

So I'm thinking: "Finally! NOW we are gonna party!"

But nope, just more business! So now we need to schedule Claudia-Marie to kick over to L.A. for Big Titty Tuesday one week.

Porno Dan = Mr. Business

You are too funny, I got plenty of drinking in during the show

Pick a Tuesday, any Tuesday and we will have Claudia come on down to the Immoral Playhouse

Here we are a little more than four months into the year and production is down...way down.

The biggest agency is doing 15 or less bookings a day and most of the smaller ones are doing 5 or less, yet the most agents still won't budge on their inflated rates.

Girls tell us all the time they are willing to take less to do scene, but their agents don't even give them the otpion.

We just started to shoot more because we need too. In general we have cut our production by 75% from two years ago.

Indeed, production is way down or nonexistent. Some companies don?t produce anymore. They are doing comps as new releases or buying content. On the upside, it?s good to see that some of the production companies have started to diversify by selling products other than videos.

Just a counterpoint for what it is worth- Production may be down in LA, but it's pretty busy in Florida. I hear about almost everything going on every week with all the various players and there are a lot of shoots going on almost every day of different types. I personally have never been busier shooting beautiful new girls from all over the country between the ages of 18 years up to 49 years old. Also spoke to one of the bigger agents in porn recently who I know for a long time and he told me that his agency's bookings were more than fifteen per day on each coast during the busiest weeks. And of course that doesn't take into acount the other agents, pimps, informal referrals and companies & models booking their own shoots, which are many.

Thank you for being honest, you guys put out great content.


I am glad to hear that you are busy in Florida, you are the expection not the rule

Almost every models tells me the same story about Florida.

They get promised a ton of work then when they go there they do two or three shoots.

If an agent tells you he is doing 15 bookings a day that means they are doing 5.

near as I can tell from your post you are just amazing and everything you do is amazing and all the models you 'film' are just amazing $.02

apparently all the shoots are for jim gunn

There will be more shooting but in 3d I think.

JimmyGunn is in high demand.

And so is George C. Parker.

Jim has an advantage because he's not shooting in LA

Sales are down across the board. So it makes sense to me that if a company needs some great content and you have Content Shooter A in California who has to pay models a high rate and charges more VS Content Shooter B (Jim Gunn) in Florida shooting the same kind of content just as well or better with lower costs...then it's a no-brainer.

I think it goes back to what Dan is saying about agencies not wanting to bring the price down (and I don't blame them...who wants to ever charge less?) at a time when people can't justify high production costs VS ROI on the shoot.

That's just my opinion by the way. Educated guess with absolutely nothing to back it up. So if I'm wrong feel free to enlighten us.

Not accurate in my case. I don't sell my services on the basis of price. I'm probably more expensive than many producers. There are a lot of other factors that go into content production from style, access to fresh talent, lighting, videography, creativity, costumes & props, reliability & follow through and the business relationships that develop over time. Thanks to the support of a lot of great people & companies over the last nineteen years I have managed to carve out a few niches for myself & my services and I am excited about a couple of new ones ready to launch this year.

Makes sense.

I was just reasoning that since sales are down across the board that you would have an advantage in being able to have a MUCH lower overhead than producers in California. But if you're charging the same prices as them anyway...then that's just another reason I like you Jim! :)

And yeah, your longevity advantage over just about every other shooter that posts on GFY definitely works to your advantage in terms of business relationships with different people.

My content orders are up across the board this summer compared to last year. Im doing quite well actually and shooting high end production for decent budgets so things are only getting better in my world. There will always be new programs and most of the older ones will die off if they keep the same business model. A new generation of webmasters with new ideas are going to take over the industry in the next 10 years and the old school guys will be complaining about how they didn't change their business model in time for the next generation of porn surfers.

The same thing goes for content producers as well if you don't adapt to the market then you will die off like the rest.

:2 cents:

Depends on the company

You do quaility work and quality never goes out of style.