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TheDoc 03-18-2010 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 16958557)
YOU'RE...What are you twelve? You don't know the difference between your and you're? Paypal me $20 and I will give you a few pointers on the English language.

BTW, it's potheads, and yes you sound like one when you try to debate people on here.

Shove the $20 up YOU ass and stop pretending like a typo makes a difference... douche bag.


Great I sound like a pot head... gnarley man, I didn't know they made sounds.

BFT3K 03-18-2010 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16958615)
Sure thing, I enjoy laughing at stupid people.:thumbsup

Is that why they don't allow mirrors in your section of the institution?

weekly 03-18-2010 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 16958722)
Is that why they don't allow mirrors in your section of the institution?

Now that was funny.

weekly 03-18-2010 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16958713)
Shove the $20 up YOU ass and stop pretending like a typo makes a difference... douche bag.


Great I sound like a pot head... gnarley man, I didn't know they made sounds.

Nothing wrong with potheads. Hey I live in Vancouver and half the freeking city are potheads.

The Demon 03-18-2010 07:35 PM

Are they all as dumb as you three?

weekly 03-18-2010 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16958781)
Are they all as dumb as you three?

remember the mirrors....

TheDoc 03-18-2010 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16958781)
Are they all as dumb as you three?

Dang that was Trololololol funny.

Vexes 03-18-2010 08:06 PM

It is sad to see what government schools have done to the US population. Most Americans do not even know the basics about the Constitution.

The Demon 03-18-2010 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Vexes (Post 16958848)
It is sad to see what government schools have done to the US population. Most Americans do not even know the basics about the Constitution.

I'll take blanket statement for $500, Alex. I believe you called me a Democrat for mentioning classical liberalism. You're right, it is sad to see what school have done to the US population. Or rather, it's sad to see half wits not even attending school.

fatfoo 03-18-2010 08:25 PM

I think it should be a right. Voted.

BFT3K 03-18-2010 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16958883)
it is sad to see what school have done to the US population.

It is always "sad to see what school have done".

Nice sentence structure grasshopper!

The Demon 03-18-2010 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 16958896)
It is always "sad to see what school have done".

Nice sentence structure grasshopper!

Oh snap, when you can't make any kind of legitimate object and the other person has made you his bitch, become a grammar nazi!!!

BFT3K 03-18-2010 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16958899)
Oh snap, when you can't make any kind of legitimate object and the other person has made you his bitch, become a grammar nazi!!!

I was about "to make a legitimate object" but I thought I'd make fun of you instead.

slavdogg 03-18-2010 09:06 PM

The doctrine of fundamental rights is a feature of United States law under which certain human rights that are enshrined in the U.S. Constitution are given a high degree of judicial deference in conflicts between individual liberty and governmental intrusion. Although many fundamental rights are also more widely considered to be human rights, the classification of a right as fundamental invokes specific legal tests used by courts to determine the carefully constrained conditions under which the United States government and the various state governments may impose limitations on these rights.

as generally determined whether rights are to be considered fundamental by examining the historical foundations of those rights, and determining whether their protection was part of a longstanding tradition. Other rights may be guaranteed as fundamental by individual states.

Some rights generally recognized as fundamental at the federal level follows[citation needed]:

* Right to keep and bear arms
* Right to freedom of movement within the country
* Right to property
* Right to marry the person of any race
* Right to procreate irrespective of marital status or other classifications
* Right to freedom of association
* Right to freedom of speech
* Right to equal protection under the law
* Right to freedom of thought
* Right to vote in general election
* Right to freedom of contract by parties with proportional bargaining power
* Right to privacy
* Right to direct a child's upbringing [1]

slavdogg 03-18-2010 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by slavdogg (Post 16959018)

* Right to keep and bear arms
* Right to freedom of movement within the country
* Right to property
* Right to marry the person of any race
* Right to procreate irrespective of marital status or other classifications
* Right to freedom of association
* Right to freedom of speech
* Right to equal protection under the law
* Right to freedom of thought
* Right to vote in general election
* Right to freedom of contract by parties with proportional bargaining power
* Right to privacy
* Right to direct a child's upbringing [1]

above are all rights
healthcare is a good, just like food, wellfare, job, housing
I said it before and will try it again, you cannot make a good into a fundamental right

BFT3K 03-18-2010 09:36 PM

Wow, thanks slavdogg! You've inspired me to marry the person of any race, and then freely travel to Ye Olde Healthcare Shoppe to buy me some goods!

Joshua G 03-18-2010 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by slavdogg (Post 16959030)
I said it before and will try it again, you cannot make a good into a fundamental right

you mean "goods" like arms & property?

Moreover, your assertion is garbage. The miller test provides no "carefully constrained conditions" to prevent the government from denying pornographers the right to free speech. Neither does the USA patriot act with respect to privacy. In fact the history of US law is the slow revokation of most fundamental rights you listed.

in most developed nations, health care is a right. In money obsessed USA, it is a priveledge reserved for those who can pay.

Joshua G 03-18-2010 10:59 PM

my last comment in this thread...

its utterly embarassing to see how the right wing is handling health care reform. They have overy demonized the bill, calling it a government takeover when there isn't even a public option. They seem concerned only with the welfare of the healthy & the wealthy, they have no ideas on how to turn around a system that is driving millions out of the insurance markets at the same time much of the industry is awash in wall street like profiteering. I'm not too excited about the reform bill, but the right wing has absolutely nothing to offer america but fear & class warfare. Worst, they run on small government but explode the deficit & oppose medicare cuts...hypocrites. They make me sick & embarassed i was ever right wing myself.

The Demon 03-19-2010 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by joshgirls (Post 16959206)
my last comment in this thread...

its utterly embarassing to see how the right wing is handling health care reform. They have overy demonized the bill, calling it a government takeover when there isn't even a public option. They seem concerned only with the welfare of the healthy & the wealthy, they have no ideas on how to turn around a system that is driving millions out of the insurance markets at the same time much of the industry is awash in wall street like profiteering. I'm not too excited about the reform bill, but the right wing has absolutely nothing to offer america but fear & class warfare. Worst, they run on small government but explode the deficit & oppose medicare cuts...hypocrites. They make me sick & embarassed i was ever right wing myself.

Oh yes, the left wing really care about the people, the poor, etc.. That's hilarious rofl. I wonder how many of the moronic left realize it's not even about the bill, otherwise they would have gone back and started all over. Josh, I'll take it that you haven't read ANY of the bill, because only the ignorant would assume that because the public option is out, there will be no government take over. I don't know if you're in the middle or on the left, but instead of offering something logical, you offer an appeal to emotion, so I'm going with left. Btw, I've been sick and embarrassed ever since modern liberalism came out.

Edit: I'm pretty sure you don't even know how much this new bill helps insurance companies lol. +1 for leftist ignorance:)

The Demon 03-19-2010 06:01 AM

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mone...lth-care-bill-

"OH that's just the politically biased right talking nonsense!!!" -prediction

weekly 03-19-2010 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16958392)
I lived in the Soviet Union, please don't act like you know what you're talking about when trying to define those terms, lol.

Where did you live and how old were you then?

Tom_PM 03-19-2010 08:25 AM

The General Store has been allowed to ban people from coming in to shop. Or kick people out as soon as they need a repair under warranty. That is about to end. It's a regulation issue, not a rights issue, although the poll is telling in terms of data.

weekly 03-19-2010 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by slavdogg (Post 16959030)
above are all rights
healthcare is a good, just like food, wellfare, job, housing
I said it before and will try it again, you cannot make a good into a fundamental right

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Right to equal protection under the law
I would argue health care falls under the right of equal protection from illness and disability. Property is a "good" which is protected would you not agree. At worst, health care is a service, not a good.

12clicks 03-19-2010 08:50 AM

And the list of have nots wanting the government to provide for them so they don't have to provide for themselves continues

Tom_PM 03-19-2010 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 16960003)
And the list of have nots wanting the government to provide for them so they don't have to provide for themselves continues

I have had a heart attack and have serious other concerns. I can NOT buy insurance sir. Do you understand that? If I had 100 million dollars I could not purchase this "good", because they wont sell to me. Make sense? Thanks for learning.

Joshua G 03-19-2010 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16959591)
Oh yes, the left wing really care about the people, the poor, etc.. That's hilarious rofl. I wonder how many of the moronic left realize it's not even about the bill, otherwise they would have gone back and started all over. Josh, I'll take it that you haven't read ANY of the bill, because only the ignorant would assume that because the public option is out, there will be no government take over. I don't know if you're in the middle or on the left, but instead of offering something logical, you offer an appeal to emotion, so I'm going with left. Btw, I've been sick and embarrassed ever since modern liberalism came out.

Edit: I'm pretty sure you don't even know how much this new bill helps insurance companies lol. +1 for leftist ignorance:)

im not too clear how more regulations + insurance exhanges + individual mandate is a government takeover. by that logic, i guess the government controls the entire economy, since they regulate everything that moves nowadays. your right...i havent read the bill, i get my info from a combo of rachel maddow & matt drudge. i think the bill was only released last night anyhow. & none of my comments came to the defense of the left wing, or of the reform bill. I'm just really unhappy the right wing is offering a huge helping of fear, instead of giving the public a positive alternative to more government. In my opinion the repubs are fucking up so bad, they are giving the public no alternative to dems. I really feel the current right wing leadership is a disaster & is driving the acsension of the tea party as grass roots republicans are disenchanted with the current GOP.

The Demon 03-19-2010 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by joshgirls (Post 16960072)
im not too clear how more regulations + insurance exhanges + individual mandate is a government takeover. by that logic, i guess the government controls the entire economy, since they regulate everything that moves nowadays. your right...i havent read the bill, i get my info from a combo of rachel maddow & matt drudge. i think the bill was only released last night anyhow. & none of my comments came to the defense of the left wing, or of the reform bill. I'm just really unhappy the right wing is offering a huge helping of fear, instead of giving the public a positive alternative to more government. In my opinion the repubs are fucking up so bad, they are giving the public no alternative to dems. I really feel the current right wing leadership is a disaster & is driving the acsension of the tea party as grass roots republicans are disenchanted with the current GOP.

Oh, I didn't know you were a fan of drudgereport, awesome. And the government does control many of the economic aspects right now, more than ever I believe. Why else is the stock market at 10,700+ when the economy is in shit?

Honestly, I don't think there is any real alternative at this point, because we need to reduce our debts and deficits before we can have any real health care reform, and I think that's what the right wing has been trying to state.

Also, I don't understand where you see the REpublicans fucking up bad. If anyone is fucking up bad, it's the Dems. They're on pace to lose their majorities in November due to their fuckups, and THEIR leadership is a disaster. The Republicans are surging right now and while they're not doing everything right, I think they're doing just enough to make people grow weary of the Democratic leadership after only 1 year.

BFT3K 03-19-2010 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 16960003)
And the list of have nots wanting the government to provide for them so they don't have to provide for themselves continues

You are an idiot. :2 cents:

The Demon 03-19-2010 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 16960100)
You are an idiot. :2 cents:

Thank god you're back, now we can start laughing again.

BFT3K 03-19-2010 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16960107)
Thank god you're back, now we can start laughing again.

Hey everyone, I finally found out why the demon is so obnoxious.

Someone just emailed me his wedding picture.

Poor bastard...

http://www.fetishsoup.com/GFY/DemonAndWife.jpg

Now we can start laughing again!

The Demon 03-19-2010 09:41 AM

And the self pwnage continues.

BFT3K 03-19-2010 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16960187)
And the self pwnage continues.

:small-smi :small-smi :small-smi :small-smi :small-smi

JaneB 03-19-2010 12:11 PM

It would be nice to have a discussion on here without people having to call each other names or post stupid pictures. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't make them idiots or wrong.

NetHorse 03-19-2010 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16958713)
Shove the $20 up YOU ass and stop pretending like a typo makes a difference... douche bag.

You made the same mistake 15 times in this thread, it's clear you don't know the difference between your & you're. Stop trying to make the excuse that they were all typos, just makes you sound like more of a moron. :1orglaugh

Anyways, next time you go around calling people fucking idiots you might not want to sound like one yourself. That's all I'm saying pal..:winkwink:

The Demon 03-19-2010 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 16960808)
You made the same mistake 15 times in this thread, it's clear you don't know the difference between your & you're. Stop trying to make the excuse that they were all typos, just makes you sound like more of a moron. :1orglaugh

Anyways, next time you go around calling people fucking idiots you might not want to sound like one yourself. That's all I'm saying pal..:winkwink:

hahahaha

BFT3K 03-19-2010 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 16960778)
It would be nice to have a discussion on here without people having to call each other names or post stupid pictures. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't make them idiots or wrong.

Lots of posts are started here, intended for serious discussion, but inevitably most topics degenerate to insanity instead. Everyone has an opinion, and it is rare that anyone gives a crap about the opposing viewpoint, so the mud just flies.

Some people allow for rational debate, but many do not. At that point you can either just walk away, or entertain yourself with some silly stupidity. I do both, depending on my mood.

If this site was not called GFY.com, then I would agree with you entirely, but this is one of the few places online where you can just say whatever the hell you want. Most people are smart enough to know nothing really means much here, and it's all in fun.

No matter what any of us think about anything here, none of us will be changing the world... especially not via our opinionated postings here on GFY.

TheDoc 03-19-2010 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 16960808)
You made the same mistake 15 times in this thread, it's clear you don't know the difference between your & you're. Stop trying to make the excuse that they were all typos, just makes you sound like more of a moron. :1orglaugh

Anyways, next time you go around calling people fucking idiots you might not want to sound like one yourself. That's all I'm saying pal..:winkwink:

Yeah yeah, other than I have written it correctly for years, on gfy.. and if you couldn't figure out I wrote it back to you incorrectly on purpose, then youR are a fucking idiot.

What are you The Demons brother?

CosmicTang 03-19-2010 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 16960778)
It would be nice to have a discussion on here without people having to call each other names or post stupid pictures. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't make them idiots or wrong.

:2 cents:

If for no other reason than to eliminate all the useless posts between those with something to say.

Tom_PM 03-19-2010 01:50 PM

This thread seemed fine for 2 pages or so.

TheDoc 03-19-2010 01:53 PM

I agree guys.... the attacks on these type of posts MUST end... Please send your messages to the Admins and protest this repeating bullshit!

TheDoc 03-19-2010 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 16960778)
It would be nice to have a discussion on here without people having to call each other names or post stupid pictures. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't make them idiots or wrong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 16960890)
Some people allow for rational debate, but many do not. At that point you can either just walk away, or entertain yourself with some silly stupidity. I do both, depending on my mood.

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Originally Posted by CosmicTang (Post 16961123)
:2 cents:

If for no other reason than to eliminate all the useless posts between those with something to say.

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 16961127)
This thread seemed fine for 2 pages or so.

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BFT3K 03-19-2010 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 16961127)
This thread seemed fine for 2 pages or so.

Well, 2 good pages are better than nothing :)

The Demon 03-19-2010 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 16960808)
You made the same mistake 15 times in this thread, it's clear you don't know the difference between your & you're. Stop trying to make the excuse that they were all typos, just makes you sound like more of a moron. :1orglaugh

Anyways, next time you go around calling people fucking idiots you might not want to sound like one yourself. That's all I'm saying pal..:winkwink:

You're typing to the laughing stock of GFY. Don't waste your posts.

weekly 03-19-2010 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly (Post 16959885)
Where did you live and how old were you then?

You lived in the Soviet Union.....sure you did kid. If you are going to lie, at least be able to back it up.

The Demon 03-19-2010 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly (Post 16961348)
You lived in the Soviet Union.....sure you did kid. If you are going to lie, at least be able to back it up.

Haven't I embarrassed you enough already? Here, I'll repeat what you told me because seeing as how you made the same claim, it's as applicable:)

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Originally Posted by the demon (Post 16961348)
You lived in the Soviet Union.....sure you did kid. If you are going to lie, at least be able to back it up.

Stupid Ass.

mgtarheels 03-19-2010 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 16960100)
You are an idiot. :2 cents:

Absolutely.


You should have seen him in the other thread stating how the Constitution didn't have Articles. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

mgtarheels 03-19-2010 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 16960778)
It would be nice to have a discussion on here without people having to call each other names or post stupid pictures. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't make them idiots or wrong.

No, but I'd argue narcissism and delusions would.

The Demon 03-19-2010 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mgtarheels (Post 16961375)
Absolutely.


You should have seen him in the other thread stating how the Constitution didn't have Articles. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I wonder how many times your stupid ass has to get owned. You realize I'm the only one responding to you for a reason? You're like a miniature version of thedoc, dumb beyond belief. Or maybe you're his...Son?

mgtarheels 03-19-2010 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16961381)
I wonder how many times your stupid ass has to get owned. You realize I'm the only one responding to you for a reason? You're like a miniature version of thedoc, dumb beyond belief. Or maybe you're his...Son?

You also realize you're the only person to reply since I've posted?


Oh, a correlation? WUZDAT?

The Demon 03-19-2010 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mgtarheels (Post 16961386)
You also realize you're the only person to reply since I've posted?


Oh, a correlation? WUZDAT?

Repeating me? My my, the more you get owned, the dumber you get. hahaha


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