Finally, another fan of the Austrian School.


I wish these mainstream keynesian morons understood that the more government interference in the markets, the more fuckups. The market should be 100% free of political influence.

Ok well it's safe to say you have the best grasp of economics on this forum.

I was mimicking you. My god it's so easy to insult someone so incredible stupid. How does it feel talking to your superior?

Actually, it will most likely pass on a vote. The bill that they are voting on is the senate bill. It passed the senate and now Pelosi and company are trying to get it through the house. So it will get a vote and pass on a vote. But it will be done with a lot of backroom deals and there will be a lot of amendments to the bill brought forth to help make good on the promises that were made to these people in order to get them to vote for it. What is already a mess, will only become a bigger mess.


I think the republicans will win more seats back, but I'm not too sure that they will take both the house and senate back over. They might get one or the other, but right now there is still a reasonably strong anti-republican sentiment out there. According to Rasmussen right now about about 34% of the people see democrats in a favorable light while only 27% see republicans favorably. The tea party gets a 21% favorably rating. I have said before and still believe that the tea party is just another wing of he republicans, but it is yet unproven that the republicans can wrangle them into voting for them at the moment. I won't be shocked to see some independent candidates win this November and I won't be shocked to see the democrats hold onto both the house and senate but by much smaller margins.

I do agree with you though that having one party hold the house and senate and the other the white house is probably the best way to go because it forces them to work together and find common ground.

Kane, there isn't strong anti republican sentiment out there anymore. It's strong liberal/Obama Administration sentiment. Strong anti republican sentiment didn't win Scott Brown Massachusetts. While I'm not saying Republicans are back in the good graces with the people, there's a VERY good chance that they'll win back both the house and the senate. Maybe then shit will get done.

Right, right.. listen shit stain, you're a nobody, with nothing, that dreams you had a life like mine and others on here...

I can't imagine how much it must suck to be you.. come on, you're not even in our industry and you come here to post in political threads? Hahahaha... pathetic simply gives you too much credit.

Soviet Union had healthcare, a job, a house as a human right
UN charter has those 3 as a human right as well, mind you US is not a signatory to that UN human rights charter.

Yea, you're my little bitch now, it's cute. I really don't like having an ego but when the people that argue with you have your IQ and disability, it's hard to be humble. But I guess that's what I get for being better than you in life:)

I got those numbers right from the mouth of Republican leader John Boehner. He didn't give that exact number but said that republicans and democrats agree on about 80-85% of what is going into the bill. These are the common sense things like forming pools to allow individuals to by insurance on the open market as part of a group and changing the rules on pre-existing conditions. Here is the bill his party has suggested. http://gopleader.gov/UploadedFiles/S...d_11-04-09.pdf . Much of what is in there is in the Obama plan.

Where the big difference come is on abortion and whether is should be covered in the bill, the republicans want tort reform and it isn't in the bill and how to help those without insurance get that insurance. They also differ on how to pay for these things once they are done and the big on is how to cover those who are uninsured. Basically, the republicans feel if you lower costs, encourage small businesses to give their employees health insurance and make it readily available at good prices to anyone who wants it, then the problem will take care of itself. The democrats feel you need to help provide health insurnace for those that don't have it and that the government should pay for it if need be.

Many a republican has said that they could easily pass a bill that did most of the small, fast changes right now so some good things could start right away.

As for them already losing the election. . .I'm not so sure about that. I think the republicans have won a couple of elections recently and are suddenly feeling cocky. But they have lost some recently too and there is still a lot of anti-republican feelings in the country. I think it will be a lot closer than the republicans might think. I could be wrong, but I think the democrats will hold on to at least one house, if not both, but their majorities will shrink. I personally am so fed up that my voting strategy is going to be simple. If you are the incumbent, I am voting for your opponent no matter what party you are from.

I lived in the Soviet Union, please don't act like you know what you're talking about when trying to define those terms, lol.

If that's the case, then it's one hell of a hefty 15%.

Yes, that much I understand.

I think the Dems blew their chance at "some good things", with their ego and unwillingless to be realistic.

Can you blame the Republicans? The Democrats have achieved what amounts to political suicide. I actually don't see the Republicans being cocky though. They're doing the smart thing right now and playing "representatives for the people". Being cocky would be a terrible political maneuver at this point, when they have everything in the bag.

Hahaha, man you come up with some weak shit....but hey, you got your spewage in like always. Let's bump this to the top... let the world know you're dumb ass is on the prowl.

I've lived in Soviet Union as well and I have a poli sci degree and yes i know what i'mj talking about

I can't let the world know that, I'm too busy letting the world know that you're the dumbest person on gfy.

*Spew spew spew spew*
ROFL way too easy.

HAHAHAHAHA.... shut the hell up, you never lived in the Soviet Union. So you're a doctor, a a lawyer, going to school to be a lawyer, have a degree in some crap economics, and now you lived in the Soviet Union as well?

And yet post on GFY political threads? Dude, please keep your pile of lies in check.

Here is some info from Newsweek.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/233890

In the article it says, " a new NEWSWEEK Poll shows that while a majority of Americans say they oppose Obama's plan, a majority actually support the key features of the legislation."

Further down it says: " The NEWSWEEK Poll asked respondents about eight health-care-reform provisions that Obama and many Democrats in Congress have generally supported. It found that the majority of Americans supported five of those provisions, three by particularly large margins. Eighty-one percent agreed with the creation of a new insurance marketplace, the exchange, for individual subscribers to compare plans and buy insurance at a competitive rate. Seventy-six percent thought health insurers should be required to cover anyone who applies, including those with preexisting conditions; and 75 percent agreed with requiring most businesses to offer health insurance to their employees, with incentives for small-business owners to do so."

People don't like the overall bill, but there is stuff in there that people do lie. I think this also shows two things that I find interesting. 1. It really shows that nobody really knows what is in the bill and what isn't and 2. the republicans have done a masterful job of demonizing it. People hear about it and instantly think there is nothing of value in it when that is just not the case. I don't support it as a whole, but there are some good things in it.

When????

Wow... brilliant sewage from your mouth as always.

I agree that there are some good things in there, and if the Dems opted to make a smaller bill with the things people DO like, instead of trying to shove the bigger bill up our asses, they would have saved face. It's the dumbest political move I've ever seen.

Move along, son.

Hey bitch boy... you're on my Industries forum... how about you take a hike and get a life?

I'm better than you at every aspect of life, therefore I will stay and watch you get ridiculed by your own industry:)

Dude, you only post in political threads.... hahaha... again, you're a nobody, a shit stain, that has nothing and posts in political threads on gfy - and you think it's cool.

Haha, any other spew you want to say?

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Oh the big ol trololol posting his spew - makes it trueee, oh yes it doooo... * sing it people *

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Oh, lame... so basically you have nothing other than your repeating spew.

Brown won in a liberal state in an odd election in a state that already has universal healthcare and he ran on a promise to end the obamacare. It was an odd election at best. But what about that house seat in NY that has been held by republicans since the civil war being won by a democrat? That isn't a good sign for the republicans and it is something they don't want to see.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/126503/De...eferences.aspx This poll from March 9th shows that democrats still have a slight lead over republicans in generic polls.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...l/original.pdf This poll (it is the NY Times/CBS so you have to take with a grain of salt) says that 57% of those surveyed see the republicans in an unfavorable light. In that same poll most of the people asked blame Bush for the problems we are having and congress a close second. So the republicans will have to convince these people that they are different than they were just a few years ago.

There are many other polls out there that show the republican approval rating hovering at somewhere in the low to mid 40's. I'm not saying the democrats are doing significantly better, but the republicans are not the golden child they suddenly want to make themselves out to be.

I am busy and do not have the inclination to take the time to research the matter for you...and in addition I see that Kane has presented one poll (their are others). In addition polls show the primary concern people have about the current bills are not really the content of the bills but the cost to the taxpayers they may generate. According to the CBO it will not cost the taxpayer but in fact will save the taxpayer money in the long run.

I saw a former head of the CBO interviewed and he stated that the CBO can only score what they are presented with at the time and for various reasons they never have all of the information before them that they should have and in addition he said that CBO scoring can be off as much as 50% one way or the other.

I have lived long enough to know that estimated costs of any government program usually end up being several times higher than predicted.

Like I said, that might not be the exact number, but is close. Most of the issues they agree on, but the ones they disagree on they are light years apart on.




Sure, they saw the chance to do something big and good and instead of coming together as a group and settling for good, everyone wanted a piece of the pie and they tried to do something grand and it bit them in the ass.


I think they are doing what the democrats did when the republicans held both houses and the white house for the first six years of the Bush administration. They are playing the party that is against it. Whatever the democrats want, the republicans are against it and they threaten to filibuster everything. The difference is the democrats took the bait and fought to get 60 votes on everything instead of forcing the republicans to follow through on their threats.

The republicans are being cocky. Did you see the videos from CPAC? They basically stood on stage and taught classes on how anyone who doesn't agree with them are idiots. Maybe it will work, but I think they feel they are doing better than they really are.

They're not the golden child yet.. But if the Dems keep going the way they have been, it's over for them in November. And again, I don't place too much faith in polls, otherwise Obama is the most hated president in history after only 1 year, and the Congressional Democrats just suck.

Yes, according to the CBO. According to mainstream economists, we're in a recovery right now rofl.

And this is a fundamental mistake the Democrats are going to pay for. I would prefer the Republicans take the house and the senate, and then work with Obama. One party owning everything doesn't ever turn out good.

If that's the case, somebody better put them back in line. The November elections are on them 100%, in my mind. They can either make or break those elections.

I saw one report that stated that the people of Massachusets want "Obama care" to fail because they think their health care program is better than the House or Senate bills and that being the reason they voted in the Republican that ran saying he would vote against "Obama care" and remove the Senate's super majority.

100% agree. The democrats were handed a golden platter and they shit in it. They had Obama who changed the tide and had the country and the world at his back. They had just come off a bad republican administration and were given a golden opportunity. If they just pass a smaller bill that focuses on things we all agree on they would have got it through the system easily and they could have done some actual good. Then they could give it a few years to work and see how it is doing. If they then felt it needed more they could go back and try to fix it and add to it as needed.

They had the change to build a really nice house. Instead they decided that they wanted to build a skyscraper and it seems they ran out of materials halfway through the build.

Also, you forget about the economic crisis. What Obama and Bernanke are doing makes Bush seem like an angel. The astronomical deficit spending that's destroying our economy is perhaps the main or the 2nd reason the Dems are screwed come November. They've mishandled virtually everything they were responsible for.


Edit: Apparently there's a vote tally for the health care bill. Thus far it's 217-214 for No.

I tend to thing that overall polls are pretty accurate. Obama has a low job approval rating, but people still seem to like him. It is a odd. Congress as a whole has a terrible rating. I read that the overall approval rating of congress is around 17% and people seem to hate the democrats and republicans alike.

I think we will really find out what people feel about this health care bill in November. I think it will pass which will make it the single biggest issue in the November election. The republicans will run on the platform of, "elect me and I will shut it down." and the democrats will run on the platform of, "We did something great here and we can do more if you just elect us."

I think it is the perfect time for an independent to step in and run on the platform of, "Both of these guys are idiots, elect me and I will do the work of the real people."

Obama's #s are 46-47%, while the majority of Americans dislike him. Then again, the poll is not a representative of the whole country, so I wouldn't use it in a debate.

The problem with the latter statement is that the Democrats' logic is flawed and just plain delusional. Since the majority of this country do not want Obamacare as it is, the only ones that feel that the Democrats did something great are the Democrats. If they go into the elections pitching that shit, you can expect a landslide.

RON PAUL

I think how the economy plays out will have an effect on the election. However, I think the debt and deficit are not big deals to a lot of people. I have been hearing about how the national debt and deficit will destroy this country since I was a little kid. Most of us grew up with that and it has become white noise that only seems to come up at election time. If the economy is growing and we are growing jobs instead of losing them when the election comes around the democrats will use the Obama stimulus as a positive thing and tell people it is working and they need to re-elect them so they can continue to fix things and not leave it half undone. When you start talking long term economics to people most people's eyes gloss over. In the end it will be which part can convince people that their jobs is safe or that they will be getting a job soon that will with that fight.

Freedom is a right. If you are sick or disabled, you lose your freedom. The state then should do its best to return your freedom. I guess then, that health care is a right.

Freedom is a nice way to look at it....