There became a saying at some point "Its the economy stupid" and that is in fact the bottom line.

Explain to me how the economy is growing? Our budget deficit is a record every month. Or trade deficit is ridiculous. We have not created a single job since 2002. And no, stimulus jobs aren't jobs. Temporary jobs aren't jobs. People are slowly starting to come around(thank god) and realize that the economy truly is in shambles, and that the Obama Administration and Bernanke have spent a shitload of time trying to convince the public of a lie. The stimulus was a complete failure, as any stimulus program is when you're running huge deficits. The only positive thing you can say is that with its last dying breath, Obama and Bernanke have thrown everything into the stock market. The spins they put on every single day are hilarious and it just shows how delusional people are. They know they truth but they want to believe we're ok. That's fine, but everything points to collapse. It's not a question of if but when, and what Bernanke and the keynesian morons have done is postpone the collapse now to make it exponentially worse later.

So, eight years of fiscal irresponsibility has nothing to do with the current economic shambles. You know that information totem pole I mentioned? You really need to start climbing it. You can't let Karl Rove do all your thinking for you.

YOU'RE...What are you twelve? You don't know the difference between your and you're? Paypal me $20 and I will give you a few pointers on the English language.

BTW, it's potheads, and yes you sound like one when you try to debate people on here.

To the best of my knowledge the economy has not ever reached zero growth and is slowly growing each quarter. History shows that job recovery is slow to follow economic recovery.

I personally think that 50% or more of those that have lost their jobs during the recession will not get their jobs back and I personally think that the US will never reach the economic peak of past.

Gallop has him at a 48% job approval rating as of today. But any poll has margins of error and they can change daily. According to this http://americaswatchtower.com/2010/0...0-mid-term-me/ his personal likability rating is still around 60%.



That is actually not the case though. When you look at this poll http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/...alth-care.html 89% of liberals and around 55% of moderates like the health care bill as it is. Of course this could change if it passes and we see it in action, but for now the left and many moderates like it. That is enough to win election. In the current political climate the country is divided enough that all you need to do to win is get your base to vote for you and convince enough moderates to vote for you. If this poll is even close to accurate the democrats will not be hurt by health care. The republicans were never going to vote democrat so all they have to do is hold onto their own party and win over the moderates



There will be no independent that can win the presidential election in 2012 unless that persona has a ton of money they are willing to spend. However, on the local level, especially in the house, there could be independents that could win.

Kinda like porn:upsidedow

Apparently nobody's doing your thinking for you, not even CNN/MSNBC. Nobody said anything about the last 8 years but I suspect thats what the Liberals look to when they see Obama destroying the economy.

It has reached zero growth. It's called deflation. And this isn't a recovery, nor a jobless one at that, it's a double dip depression. I wish the economy would hurry up and collapse so we can get through the bullshit and create a new model. Or perhaps, incorporate the Austrian School as the new "mainstream" economics.

Our peak was the 50s. Then decades of monetary and fiscal mismanagement, coupled with the credit/subprime mortgage crisis, doomed us. Now Obama and Bernanke have brought the concept of "end game" to a whole new level. And you're right, those jobs won't come back.

Naive. Let me 'splain something to you genius. Obama isn't even half way through. You do all the good shit in the last half of your term to get re elected. The teabaggers and apoplectic rednecks like yourself are blowing your loads way too soon. You really need to Google the rumble in the jungle for a lesson in strategy. It kinda makes me laugh watching you guys go nuts way too early. Dude, you are being way outfoxed.

Haha and the excuses pile out. Not even excuses, just 100% bullshit. Facts would disagree with you weekly, now it's time you let someone smarter than you (mostly everybody) do your thinking for you. Your excuses are priceless though. Go learn the difference between socialism and classical liberalism lolol

Buddy, I never take anyone who starts a post with HAHA seriously. Actually I never took you seriously before the haha. You're a kid.

It has been a recession...not a depression...and I have never saw a report that stated in any quarter that we have suffered zero growth...but maybe I missed it.

That's good, because seeing as how I'm the only one responding to your asinine posts, I don't think anyone takes you seriously.

I never said the economy was growing. I said IF the economy is growing. But I will go one step further and say this. It doesn't matter if the economy is growing or not. Here is what people do at election time: They look around and take inventory of their lives. If they have a decent house, a decent job and a decent car and they are living a pretty happy life, they are not in an all fired up hurry for change. All the democrats have to show is that were are starting to add jobs to the economy and that the outlook is looking up and they will convince many people to vote for them.

Most people can't pick Bernanke out of a lineup. Most people have no idea who Keynes or Keynesian economics are. Most people don't really care about the deficit or the debt. What they care about is will they have a job, will they keep their job and will their lives continue to get better. Elections have nothing to do with what will happen or what has happened, they have everything to do with what you can convince people will happen.

The republicans are a great example of this. Every time they are not in power they then run on the ticket of cutting taxes, shrinking government, spending money wisely and reducing debt. While they do sometimes cut taxes, most of those tax cuts are for the rich so the average person doesn't really get much of it. They never reduce the budget or reign in spending and they grow the government. This is the reality of the situation, yet time and again they run on the same promises, promises they have never delivered on, and still continue to win. this is because they convince people that they really mean it this time.

The same can go for the democrats in this election. If there are signs that things are improving they can convince people they are doing the right thing and that the republicans will only take us back down an ugly road and it will work on many people.

and I don't care. But it seems you do.

Certain statistics are manipulated by whatever administration is in power. For instance, I believe in 2008, they no longer reported M3(money supply). Now yes, technically speaking(as in GDP growth), we're not in a depression. But when you factor in everything I've already stated, plus the fact that the growth comes from stimulus plans and companies restocking inventory, you get a depression.

Sure thing, I enjoy laughing at stupid people.:thumbsup

and the colored girls go do be do be do be doo be doo.

:1orglaugh

Shove the $20 up YOU ass and stop pretending like a typo makes a difference... douche bag.


Great I sound like a pot head... gnarley man, I didn't know they made sounds.

Is that why they don't allow mirrors in your section of the institution?

Now that was funny.

Nothing wrong with potheads. Hey I live in Vancouver and half the freeking city are potheads.

Are they all as dumb as you three?

remember the mirrors....

Dang that was Trololololol funny.

It is sad to see what government schools have done to the US population. Most Americans do not even know the basics about the Constitution.

I'll take blanket statement for $500, Alex. I believe you called me a Democrat for mentioning classical liberalism. You're right, it is sad to see what school have done to the US population. Or rather, it's sad to see half wits not even attending school.

I think it should be a right. Voted.

It is always "sad to see what school have done".

Nice sentence structure grasshopper!

Oh snap, when you can't make any kind of legitimate object and the other person has made you his bitch, become a grammar nazi!!!

I was about "to make a legitimate object" but I thought I'd make fun of you instead.

The doctrine of fundamental rights is a feature of United States law under which certain human rights that are enshrined in the U.S. Constitution are given a high degree of judicial deference in conflicts between individual liberty and governmental intrusion. Although many fundamental rights are also more widely considered to be human rights, the classification of a right as fundamental invokes specific legal tests used by courts to determine the carefully constrained conditions under which the United States government and the various state governments may impose limitations on these rights.

as generally determined whether rights are to be considered fundamental by examining the historical foundations of those rights, and determining whether their protection was part of a longstanding tradition. Other rights may be guaranteed as fundamental by individual states.

Some rights generally recognized as fundamental at the federal level follows[citation needed]:

* Right to keep and bear arms
* Right to freedom of movement within the country
* Right to property
* Right to marry the person of any race
* Right to procreate irrespective of marital status or other classifications
* Right to freedom of association
* Right to freedom of speech
* Right to equal protection under the law
* Right to freedom of thought
* Right to vote in general election
* Right to freedom of contract by parties with proportional bargaining power
* Right to privacy
* Right to direct a child's upbringing [1]

above are all rights
healthcare is a good, just like food, wellfare, job, housing
I said it before and will try it again, you cannot make a good into a fundamental right

Wow, thanks slavdogg! You've inspired me to marry the person of any race, and then freely travel to Ye Olde Healthcare Shoppe to buy me some goods!

you mean "goods" like arms & property?

Moreover, your assertion is garbage. The miller test provides no "carefully constrained conditions" to prevent the government from denying pornographers the right to free speech. Neither does the USA patriot act with respect to privacy. In fact the history of US law is the slow revokation of most fundamental rights you listed.

in most developed nations, health care is a right. In money obsessed USA, it is a priveledge reserved for those who can pay.

my last comment in this thread...

its utterly embarassing to see how the right wing is handling health care reform. They have overy demonized the bill, calling it a government takeover when there isn't even a public option. They seem concerned only with the welfare of the healthy & the wealthy, they have no ideas on how to turn around a system that is driving millions out of the insurance markets at the same time much of the industry is awash in wall street like profiteering. I'm not too excited about the reform bill, but the right wing has absolutely nothing to offer america but fear & class warfare. Worst, they run on small government but explode the deficit & oppose medicare cuts...hypocrites. They make me sick & embarassed i was ever right wing myself.

Oh yes, the left wing really care about the people, the poor, etc.. That's hilarious rofl. I wonder how many of the moronic left realize it's not even about the bill, otherwise they would have gone back and started all over. Josh, I'll take it that you haven't read ANY of the bill, because only the ignorant would assume that because the public option is out, there will be no government take over. I don't know if you're in the middle or on the left, but instead of offering something logical, you offer an appeal to emotion, so I'm going with left. Btw, I've been sick and embarrassed ever since modern liberalism came out.

Edit: I'm pretty sure you don't even know how much this new bill helps insurance companies lol. +1 for leftist ignorance:)

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mone...lth-care-bill-

"OH that's just the politically biased right talking nonsense!!!" -prediction