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SomeCreep 03-21-2010 09:44 PM

I believe in believing believers of non believers who believe in not believing believers.

mikesinner 03-21-2010 10:01 PM

Afterlife is closely linked to religious beliefs. You can't separate the two. I don't see how any intelligent person can believe in the afterlife while rejecting religion and deity worship.

BlackCrayon 03-22-2010 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesinner (Post 16966160)
Afterlife is closely linked to religious beliefs. You can't separate the two. I don't see how any intelligent person can believe in the afterlife while rejecting religion and deity worship.

You must be pretty closed minded then. I hate religion but am open to the possible concept of some kind of "higher power" (using that loosely) and afterlife. I do not believe in heaven or hell, its way too simple of a concept and obviously created to keep people in line. However, I am not foolish enough to think that mankind will ever be able to grasp even a speck of absolute fact on the matter. Enjoy life, be a good person and whatever may be on the other side, if anything, is anyones guess.

halfpint 03-22-2010 05:56 AM

No I dont belive in an afterlife. I belive it to be just like before you were even born..you knew nothing you did not exist in this universe, thats why you should make the most of what little life we do have on this planet.

GatorB 03-22-2010 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 16966039)
Okay I stand corrected. For a minute small fraction of the planet's population believing in an afterlife actually can be harmful.

For the other some 4 billion believers though I stand by my earlier statement. And as long as they aren't coming to blow themselves and dozens of others up they can believe what they want, no skin off my hairy rump.


Btw those of you speaking in absolutes saying "There IS no afterlife", you really should check yourselves, because the only thing there IS NONE of in this conversation is proof. You might want to start saying "I believe there is no afterlife", because it is your belief, not proven fact. Just as it's existance isn't proven either, which is why it's called faith. (I'll add in a "duh" here)


MIght I suggest everyone just get off your high horse and believe what you want, shut the hell up, quit worrying about what others believe, and be happy?

Too much to ask?

No there is no afterlife. I'm 100% certain about that. Do YOU believe in Santa Claus? No? Why not? Do you have PROOF he isn't real? Nope. So since you can't prove he isn't real then using your logic you should believe in him anyways. By the way you can't prove something DOESN'T exist. That's proving a negative, which is impossible. You can only prove something exists.

Do I care if you want to believe in an afterlife or not? No I don't. If you want to believe in fairy tales go ahead. My problem is when people like Christians try to force their beliefs on others by trying to get prayer and Bible study in public schools. Most people I deal with in life believe in some stupid shit or another. I don't waste a whole lot of time on that aspect about them. Hell I got a friend that's into Wican which I find equally as stupid as any other religion. I don't try to convert him or anyone else to atheism.

Serial Pervert 03-22-2010 06:11 AM

not really...

bhutocracy 03-22-2010 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by POed-poster (Post 16962411)
Nobody despises religion more than I do, but in all honesty, no one can know for sure what happens when you die. Lifeforce is energy and energy doesn't disappear. In spite of all our advances in science, very little is really known about the brain. In order to claim that the mind is a manifestation of the brain, they need to be able to show that all the properties of the mind have a direct biological brain correlate. We are very far from answering that question. Dualism today is not as popular as materialism, but that doesn't mean it isn't true.

There is evidence that plants can feel fear, but plants have no brains, so what is the source of the fear, if it really is fear? There are far too many unanswered questions at this point to be able to answer this question.

Energy actually does, the universe will ultimately end in heat death. The fact some of your energy goes to helping a worm take a shit doesn't mean anything other than at least your meat was put to good use.

It should be the most obvious thing to anyone that as a person undergoes a degenerative brain disease they lose their personality in correlation with the progress of the disease. To suggest anything else is to bullshit yourself into thinking that for instance Alzheimers is a "soul tricking" disease, and that yes, even as it destroys the brain that is a mere side effect to throw people of the scent of it's actual effect which is er.. What? Very, very targetted soul blocking? All these degenerative diseases are actually little mirrors that reflect parts of the soul back into the phlogiston? lol. I don't get why you'd even open that door up, it's been proven time an time again that the mind is a manifestation of the brain... That is why the mind changes when you change the brain, like when you put THC in it.. Of course I do mean observably proved, I can't stop you adding a whole Rube Goldberg machine of unneccessary mystical unfalsifiable prove-an-invisible-pink-unicorn-doesn't-exist bullshit to the situation. I mean your personality dies in a degenerative brain disease, you alter your personality with psychiatric drugs, you can trigger memories by stimulating the brain cells they happen to be stored in at that moment.. You die. Occam's Razor that shit. There is no proof that an afterlife does or does not exist but you've got to be the most glass half full motherfucker to know this evidence and choose to believe otherwise.

There is no evidence that plants feel fear, that was an unscientific experiment from a hippy in the 60's that has been disproven several times. No need for facts to get in the way of a little mysticism though, right? I can't believe you purport to run a science blog. Do just a modicum of research before you post the science equivalent of an email chain letter.

4pleasure_Davide 03-22-2010 07:29 AM

I believe in porn ! ;)
Said the piest to the devil which made him smile kick him right into hell:(

ShellyCrash 03-22-2010 08:01 AM

Personally I think when you die you fade to black, your conciousness ceases to be.

Energy transfers on, organisms feed on what remains, etc. but the plug is pulled on you as you know yourself. In don't think people wander the earth as ghosts and I don't think there's any reward at the end of the tunnel.

As much as I disagree with religion, I do think most people need faith. I've experienced my share of watching people pass on and those with faith have a much easier time of it. Some people look forward to things like heavenly rewards but most look forward to reunions with lost loved ones, and that helps them let go when it's time to shuffle off this mortal coil. I would never want to take that away from them.

Staring death in the face is a very difficult thing to do, I hope when it's my time I don't see it coming, or if I do have to face it I hope my struggle is short. If someone wants to believe, despite my personal opinions I take no issue with holding their hand and telling them I believe too.

inthecrack 03-22-2010 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SomeCreep (Post 16966123)
I believe in believing believers of non believers who believe in not believing believers.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I believe less than what I would have if I believed more than what I do.:thumbsup

mikesinner 03-22-2010 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 16966800)
Energy actually does, the universe will ultimately end in heat death. The fact some of your energy goes to helping a worm take a shit doesn't mean anything other than at least your meat was put to good use.

It should be the most obvious thing to anyone that as a person undergoes a degenerative brain disease they lose their personality in correlation with the progress of the disease. To suggest anything else is to bullshit yourself into thinking that for instance Alzheimers is a "soul tricking" disease, and that yes, even as it destroys the brain that is a mere side effect to throw people of the scent of it's actual effect which is er.. What? Very, very targetted soul blocking? All these degenerative diseases are actually little mirrors that reflect parts of the soul back into the phlogiston? lol. I don't get why you'd even open that door up, it's been proven time an time again that the mind is a manifestation of the brain... That is why the mind changes when you change the brain, like when you put THC in it.. Of course I do mean observably proved, I can't stop you adding a whole Rube Goldberg machine of unneccessary mystical unfalsifiable prove-an-invisible-pink-unicorn-doesn't-exist bullshit to the situation. I mean your personality dies in a degenerative brain disease, you alter your personality with psychiatric drugs, you can trigger memories by stimulating the brain cells they happen to be stored in at that moment.. You die. Occam's Razor that shit. There is no proof that an afterlife does or does not exist but you've got to be the most glass half full motherfucker to know this evidence and choose to believe otherwise.

There is no evidence that plants feel fear, that was an unscientific experiment from a hippy in the 60's that has been disproven several times. No need for facts to get in the way of a little mysticism though, right? I can't believe you purport to run a science blog. Do just a modicum of research before you post the science equivalent of an email chain letter.


Logic, it's a bitch isn't it.

inthecrack 03-22-2010 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 16966039)
Btw those of you speaking in absolutes saying "There IS no afterlife", you really should check yourselves, because the only thing there IS NONE of in this conversation is proof. You might want to start saying "I believe there is no afterlife", because it is your belief, not proven fact. Just as it's existance isn't proven either, which is why it's called faith. (I'll add in a "duh" here)

Well I suppose I cannot say with absolute certainty there is no afterlife because there is no proof against it but I'll reserve a .00001% chance of it.

What about the speculation that there's flying teapots somewhere out between Mars and Jupiter? Sure there's no proof for it but there's also no proof against it so I guess I'll have to reserve a .00001% chance that there could in fact be flying teapots out beyond Mars.

Just because there's no proof against something doesn't give it a chance of existing.

I guess it means I'm not an absolute atheist but I sure wont waste any time or effort thinking there could be an afterlife.

Imortyl Pussycat 03-22-2010 05:29 PM

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