That's not a 'profile' bro. That's a real-time action that affects public safety that requires the cop to pull you over and gather more info.

Oh I totally support racial profiling for immigration, without question! They already do it at the borders and check points, it's not like I have ever been stopped at those check points - I don't look Mexican.

I get racial profiled in other Countries all the time, I have ZERO issues with it and would LOVE our Country to do it.

I couldn't agree with that more

They Nazi's rounded up Jews to Kill them for being Jewish didn't matter who or what you were other then Jewish


The AZ Police are going to carry out the law of the land and question an already detained person if they are legal to be in the USA If they are a US Citizen what to they have to hide? why would they care unless they are illegal or they are hiding something or someone.

If they are not a US Citizen they are required to carry their passport and VISA on them at all times already anywhere while visiting the USA


If they are breaking the law and here Illegally they are a FELON

If 20 Million Americans all decided to stop paying taxes and break the law you bet the IRS will be all over each and everyone of them. They will hire as many agents as needed to collect that money and round up the 20 million Americans

Why are we not hiring enough agents to secure the border and deport Illegal Felons

Every American born here or naturalized should be pissed that this is not already being enforced

Most Immigrants that that I have spoke to or heard speak that are here legally iare for this too. Many are pissed that now their families are getting pushed to the back of the bus while the illegals are getting a front row seat to citizenship

It cost a lot of money to legally immigrate to the USA and its a shame that people are doing it right and struggling to do it right when the illegals that are scamming the system are getting an easy pass

Its just wrong!

Im with Amp on policing police though, I dont have answers to fix the illegal immigration stuff but I do know id trust a biker before a cop.

Raised by the 1%ers

True that.... this law is disgusting because only Mexican looking people will be arrested and whatever they are legal or not... let's say someone Mexican looking will leave his id at home and will meet some "pig"? You know what will be next? :disgust

The police do get policed otherwise they wouldn't ever get busted for doing illegal activities.

Come on now....

i didnt say they do not., i said i agree they should lol
:thumbsup

1%er baby

Well, when you responded in English, gave your name and address, probably could give him your DL number (which is what he would ask) and if all else failed you could give your SSN.

You could then take your ticket home with you for not having your DL on you, like every other American would get.

Shit...

I have several family members that are police. You would be appalled at the shit they get away with.

isn't it? they have a certain set of behaviors/patterns/whatever, that as part of their job they are trained to look for. that's a profile. and isn't the huge issues associated with immigration on par with public safety and certainly clearing out many of the illegals would contribute to an increase in public safety eh.

Then you should report them for being shit stains... I wasn't a dirty cop - never knew one.

It's not profiling if you're breaking other laws... you driving like a drunk gives them the legal right to stop you. When he gets to the car, he is going to ask for your DL/ID and Insurance - If you can't speak English and can't provide any ID, passport, papers, etc... - then you're going to get profiled - legally and rightfully so.

I bet the kids parents are illegals. What happens when they get caught? Will their kid who was lucky enough to get squirted out just north of the border have to go with them?

I hope he does before he becomes a burden on our prison system. Make no mistake, with an attitude like that he WILL become a burden on our prison system.

An illegal hanging out at Home Depot looking to earn a couple bucks for the day is not the same as a drunk swerving down the road endangering everyone's life. It's not a 'profile' because being drunk has nothing to do with your race. Drunk drivers of all races are pulled over every day. The drunk could kill or maim someone at any moment and must be removed from the road. If you consider that to be a 'profile' then everyone is profiled. The guys wearing ski masks and holding guns inside banks are being profiled too, as 'Bank Robbers'. Not a valid argument my friend.

this is the problem, in America we try tnot to split families and that is why they are called: anchor babies.

Well, thats not the real reason the term "anchor" is used, but it does anchor them to this country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchor_baby

swerving or driving erratically are not in direct violation of any laws but are behavior the define the profile of a dui driver. if i'm swerving, get pulled over, inform the officer that my steering box is broken, i am nursing the car home, he tests to see if i have been drinking, i have have not, i go on my way. certainly inconvenienced but i *fit the profile*

maybe i am wrong but as i understand leo, they are trained to look for certain things, i.e. a profile.

best quote about anchor babies: LOLOLOLOZ

Conservative commentator Michelle Malkin — herself born in the United States to alien parents who were temporarily in the U.S. at the time[11] — has asserted that "the custom of granting automatic citizenship at birth to children of tourists and temporary workers such as Yaser Esam Hamdi, tourists, and to countless 'anchor babies' delivered by illegal aliens on American soil, undermines the integrity of citizenship—not to mention national security".

SHE IS ONE.

Driving down the road with a busted steering box will likely get you a ticket as well. You can't drive something that is a danger to the public.

well, that's what i am saying, if we are in the public, leo has been trained to spot or look for certain behaviors, i mean, that is a fact of life. the ski mask scenario is perfect, but use motorcycle helmets and it still fits. wear a full-face motorcycle helmet into the bank and you will promptly be asked to remove it.

that's reality.

Yes, but will the same bank now be asking for proof of citizenship when Hispanics come in to cash a check?

The real question here is:

Let's assume some pig has probable cause to pull someone over.
Is he going to ask for proof of citizenship of everyone he pulls over? Or only Hispanics?
Because if we're just going to be racist about it, then let's call it what it is. An Anti-Hispanic Law. Someone could just as easily be an illegal from Australia. Is he going to be questioned, detained & deported? Probably not.... he's not hispanic.

Profiling.

If it's really all about 'following the law' like some people are saying... right.... "It's illegal to be here, they're just enforcing it..."

Drunk Driver profiling and Bank Robber profiling are not illegal here.
Racial profiling is illegal here.

So, based on that, I think if they're going to question Hispanics about their citizenship, they need to be questioning everyone. Hispanics are not the only illegals here.

They're trained to profile a situation, which can lead to profiling of the person, which is legal.

Swerving and driving erratically is a violation of the laws... first it puts other people into danger, and...

If your tires touch the lines, you can legally be pulled over... however because they have a camera, they normally record it three times - a sure way to know something is wrong and not just a oops.

all this talk about mexicans - im craving a burrito from the valley man i miss socal food

Looooooooooooool

hahahahahahaha the best one

They don't ask for your papers, they ask for your ID.... if you hand them a DL, passport, etc they aren't going to ask you for papers.

When you can't hand them any form of ID, they will then ask for your papers - when you can't produce them... they don't have to call border patrol now. They still asked you allll those questions before, but now they will legally be able to process you for being an illegal.

There's an awesome little hole-in-the-wall place here right around the corner called Ortega's that we go to all the time. Owned & operated by Mexicans, fantastic food, really great prices. They make a burrito that weighs like 6 pounds... lol

What about everyone else in the car?
If my wife is pulled over and I'm in the passenger seat, they never ask me for ID.
Will they be doing that now if the passengers look hispanic?

Cool, I lived right across from same type thing when I lived in SFV. Thats the beauty of America, come here do it right, we will love your food!

When I come to San Francisco, I will look it up man, I am planning a trip through there.

That depends on the situation... I have been a passenger of a car and asked for my id. I have pulled people over and made everyone get out of the car, and spoke to each person.


In most states two cops come up to the car, they both take a quick look.. the first guy asks for your info while the 2nd inspects the situation. Often starting a conversation with the other person in the car... this way both people are talking, then they can both return to the car and exchange what you each said.. Where are you going, doing, who are the other friends in the car, etc.

And... if one happens to be illegal, everyone was blanked asked for an ID, and one guy didn't have it, and was illegal - that isn't profiling, that's doing your job.

which is why real Gs have the story down before even getting in the car to roll.

cops are funny creatures.

As a rule, if I'm not going to be driving I leave my wallet (and ID) at home. So, if a cop asked me (as a passenger) for ID and I said, "I don't have it, I'm not driving." that would be the end of it. If a Hispanic does the same thing now (in AZ), he will be detained until he can prove his citizenship. That would never happen to me (a white man with the typical Ryan Seacrest haircut) unless I was waving a bag of coke around in front of them.

Exactly.. it's being recorded, just be cool, have your story straight because you need one - because someone is illegal - and don't break other laws, don't hang out with people that do, don't give them a reason..

Cause once one person out of the group is illegal, it's not profiling anymore. They are all criminals.

It was fear mongering to say health reform would kill grandma. And it's fear mongering now to say that this is going to lead to rounding up families standing in line for ice cream.

If this is only going to lead to getting ID from people who already broke a law, then is it really an issue? Are you sure?

IF someone who has no ID *IS* hispanic, that doesnt make it racial profiling. Just FYI.

What about Hispanic vehicle passengers who have no ID and have broken no laws?

BTW, I dont like it very much on principle, but I'm not diving into the deep end with it. Thats why I consider myself moderate. I think the federal gov. has been too lax on immigration reform. A giant wall was an idiots idea. But speeding up the process of becoming legal should be easy to do. Rent a kiosk in every mall and it'll be caught up in one busy weekend.

that's a good idea! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

look, here's the thing, i don't want to be hassled by leo either, or give them new ways to potentially hassle me. but immigration is a big problem, we don't even know how big really.

but as long as peeps keep their nose clean and operate on the right side of the law, this at the most, would only ever be a minor inconvenience.

Well here's the thing. How could you or I know? Should we base opposition on speculation?

Well, we'll know eventually how they intend to conduct these interrogations, and whether or not they are only questioning Hispanics or if they are also questioning every white person out there for potentially being an illegal Canadian as well.

My gut tells me the Hispanics are going to get proper fucked.