The laws are the laws. No one said you had to like them. You want to be in the US, you have to be legal. It took my friend 7 years to become a citizen, and he was never once in this country illegally.

You really are a dumbass. How the hell am I racist against hispanics when I am one? It is hard to be racist against your own race. :repuke Also they arrested 17 people and they said three of the people they arrested were identified by the officer shot. They are saying that they are illegals. I guess the officer who was shot, the person who wrote the article and the people reporting the story are racist too. Stick to what you know which is clearkly not this state or this subject. :thumbsup

That people that think it's racist are out of touch with reality, sitting on the computer all day long, liberals. I think they're amusing.

Jane, it's called an emotional rant. They'll create a few premises, then come up with the inevitable conclusion of "You're racist!!" There's no logic behind it.

You seem to be on the computer all day yourself. Do you ever question your own thoughts and beliefs and wonder if you may be out of touch with reality? Is liberal the new buzzword, instead of, say, commie? Its tossed around so much these days it has seemed to lose any real meaning. Don't like someones thoughts? They're a liberal, socialist. Its an easy way to label someone so you can just dismiss what they say.

Thats funny.


No really

chill ese look illegals need to stop

We aren't building a wall that separates people and families from each other, straight through the middle of a Country. And here, everyone is freely allowed to cross legally - HUGE difference!

Even with the wall, people can travel freely between the two Countries - that so not Germany, in anyway.

Our Govt. isn't out of control, the PEOPLE want this, the people voted for it, the people are screaming for it.

If you don't live here.... chances are, you don't have a clue on the subject.

This timeline is just to get your case processed for a green card, not a US citizenship.
It takes 5 years to become a citizen AFTER you become green card holder, plus about a year to get your papers processed. So your friend is on time. No problem there. Imagine having your mother wait 6 years just to get a visa to come visit you.
Its not a law, its a "I don't give a fuck" attitude towards those that try to come here LEGAKY. If it takes 6 years for a MOTHER to get a immigrant Visa than there is a problem HUGE problem. US immigration doesn't give a rats ass about those that are legal. They always throw them at the end of the line..

well, stop it.
It has to start somewhere, it has to start some how. Do it muchacho. Stop using them. Don't eat at taco Bell, wash your own dishes in the restaurant. next time your home owners association (if you have one) hires a bunch of illegals to cut the grass, go there and tell them that you don't like it. Do it man. GFY is not a place for staging protests unless you're talking about some guys "see sig nig" crap.

their making another law havent seen the details im hoping it has in there if you are caught here illegally twice or commit a crime you can never return.

It's not easy in any Country... It can take you equally as long to legally immigrate into Canada.

Also, the United States has laws to help immigrants come in on temp visa's for Farming and even manufacturing.

They do not take years, they take weeks. Being that we're talking about illegals crossing the borders, the majority NEVER plan on becoming legal citizens - that is not what they are here for.

taco bell if im irregular i eat there :helpme fuck that shit ive never hired a illegal the reason they hire illegals is they work fulltime and dont recieve medical.

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as if illegals asking asking for permission to return. get real.
The law is already in place. If you're illegal in the US for more than 6 month you cannot get a visa. if you're legal resident and commit a crime, you legal status will be revoked.
Welcome to 1999.

I know they are not. This was in response to Jane's post about legal immigration.
FYI:
It takes less than a year for independent immigrant with skills to get thru Canadian immigration. Family cases take less than six month. It takes 6 years for the US. 6 years just to get a visa for your mom/dad/ etc.. If its you brother/sister its more like 12.

While I see your point, how is this government going to use a system like 2 strikes you are out, when they can't even keep the individuals that haven't even got strike one out.

The bottom line is to take away the jobs....source of income, make fines for employers so severe that only a stupid contractor/employer would dare to disobey and the problem will almost resolve itself.

Bottom line is that You use their services daily.

bullshit :1orglaugh i have i.c.e. on speed dial :winkwink:

I lived and worked on a Visa in Canada. They make the Company prove no other Canadians can do the job before they allowed me in. If any other Canadian could have done my job, I wouldn't have been allowed in.

I know a friend married to a Canadian and it took several years for him to legally get into Canada. His parents can't migrate to Canada, but his Kids can. Like wise, I have a friend married to an American born in a different Country, it took equally as long for everything to come through. His parents can visit as often as they long, even for long periods of time, but they can never migrate here.

It's not easy anywhere... you should have to wait years. Non immediate family members shouldn't be allowed to migrate with anyone, and if they can it should take 2-3 times longer as they have no reason to be here.

BS.
Independent "Landed Immigrant" Visa takes about 9 month to process in Canadian Consulate in Buffalo, NY.
I have done it myself. You do not need a company invitation or secured spot. You need to pass self assessment test and see if you have enough points to qualify for "skilled worker" program.
http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca...u_id=12&menu=L
You are not eligible for unemployment benefits, so it will be up to you to find a job in canada.

So it's not Bullshit, I wasn't an Independent Landed Immigrant... I had the privileges that Canadians get - you didn't. Just like a illegal immigrant doesn't. Both are temporary Visa's as well.

I was a legal worker being hired by a Canadian Company. To do that, you have to prove no other Canadian can do the job.

For Farm Labor and other types of jobs, both Countries have very easy Temp Visa's to obtain.. Both directly targeted towards Mexicans too. So Companies saying they must hire illegals are full of shit, and illegals saying they can't get Visa's is bullshit, when 10,000's are given out several times a year for the Industries they say Americans don't want jobs in.

wow.... That was some pretty blatant racism...





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couple of observations:
the violence of the drug war may not bleed into the US side of the border.
proof: Juarez Mexico is now the deadliest town in Mexico, on the other side of the border is El Paso, one of the cities in US with the least crime.

Last I heard, Boeing is the US company selected to build the "electronic" wall, the project collapsed earlier this year as many of electronic detection measures did not work at all.. but they are re-vamping the project again and according to my sources still with Boeing...

The only real way USA can prevent the illegal immegration of poor mexicans is by changing the economics in Mexico.
The desperate poor will be just that, desperate and poor.

You know how it is man, if you white, group of 50 blacks can attack your white family screaming "this is a black world" and its not considered a hate crime at all.

White guilt dictates, a white man can not and will never experience racism.

http://www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html

My privilege was Masters degree in computer science. And no, its not temporary visa, its an application for "landed immigrant" visa. An equivalent of green card in the US.
How about reading up some of that from the link I provided. Its a Canadian consulate in Buffalo, NY. I'm sure they know a few things about immigration in Canada.
Independent immigrants have every social benefit other Canadians do. Three years, and you can apply for citizenship. They can't get on a welfare unless they already worked for company and had insurance. That's why its called skilled worked - a professional that can find a job and suck government tit forever.
That just shows how little you know about this.

I meant ..
and NOT suck government tit forever.

So you're arguing over the wording of Skilled Worker vs. Professional? What are you a tool?

You said you were a landed immigrant.. "I have done it myself" - You don't need a degree to be a professional/skilled worker, but you said that was your Privilege to get in. I think you're confused on how you got into Canada.

Landed Immigrants can't get on the system because they aren't citizens and don't have work visa's. And as you said they have to work first as well... and if they want to keep the status they have, they must apply again as I stated and the Website says. If they want to move forward, they have to wait about 4 years to apply, wait 6-18 months for it to process, then another 3 years to wait to apply for citizenship, which is what the website says.

Your original point was how fast it was... that's at least 7 years before processing. About what it takes in America.


So.... would you like to prove my facts even more?

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Landed Immigrant is equivalent to "permanent resident" status in the US. Its an immigration status that allows person to legally live and work in Canada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_resident_(Canada)

landed Immigrant can be family based, refugee, independent immigrant and so on.. Its a legal status of one being in canada as immigrant.. a person on the way of becoming Canadian. After 3 years of LI status you can apply to become canadian citizen. based on what category of landed immigrant you are, you can or cannot apply for welfare benefits upon your arrival to Canada. If you are some refugee from Somalia and Canada granted your asylum, you probably won't have to work a day...
Skilled independent worker category takes anywhere from 6 month to two years to be processed, depending where you reside. Mine took 9 month and only because my fingerprints weren't readable the first time. It takes 6 years for US INS just to OPEN the case of your mother and review her eligibility. On top of that it will take another year or more to process her immigration papers.

Stop wasting my time with your ignorance.

http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question...3134732AAyaHyw

Family case: 6 month in canada VS 6 years in the US.

So what were you saying ????

Consideration for your fellow man
Would not hurt anybody, it sure fits in with my plan
Over the border, there lies the promised land
Where everything comes easy, you just hold out your hand

Keep your suspicions, I've seen that look before
But I ain't done nothing wrong now, is that such a suprise
But I've got a sister who'd be willing to oblige
She will do anything now to help me get to the outside

So don't tell anybody what I wanna do
If they find out you know that they'll never let me through, because

It's no fun being an illegal alien, I tell ya
It's no fun being an illegal alien, and it's getting me down
It's no fun being an illegal alien, no no no no no
It's no fun being an illegal alien, yeah yeah yeah

I seem to be on the computer all day? For you to make that retarded assumption, you would have to be on the computer all day long monitoring my activities. I post here a few times a day at MOST, ergo try again.

i just made a spam samich

I never said it wasn't... I said you don't get the same privileges, and you don't.. You can't vote until you become a Citizen. Once your working, you're paying taxes and qualify for healthcare which is why the professional gets the benefits.

I stated the above - You can apply for Citizenship 3 years AFTER you become a Landed Immigrant.. To apply for Landed Immigrant status it takes 4 years. Oh and you said "it can take 9 months to process" but we will ignore that time..

That's still 7 years any way you twist it... it takes damn near the same amount of time in America.

Green card for green card, Canada may be faster - who gives a shit? Canada has like 250 million less people, shit probably should get done quicker.


Are we now talking about family case instead of you or me going into Canada? Cause that's not what we referenced throughout these posts... so it's kinda odd to twist it now.

However - as stated before, I don't care that it takes longer here, at that.. if you can so easily migrate into Canada, why anyone would Sponsor someone is stupid - just move.

God damn, you're an idiot.
This is what you said
"Landed Immigrants can't get on the system because they aren't citizens and don't have work visa's."
landed immigrants don't need a visa. They have a immigration status that allows them to work and live in Canada. Comprende? They DO NOT NEED visa.
They can't vote but do have every other social benefit that canadian citizens do. if you immigrated as skilled worker and not refugee or as family based immigrant you do not qualify for IMMIDIATE welfare and unemployment benefits. You have to be employed for 22 month in Canada to gain full benefits for unemployment. God damn, you either playing with me or dumber than my fucking cat.


No it doesn't. when I did it in 2001 it took me 9 month. Right now if you do it in Buffalo its about 12 month. if you do it in Poland for instance, it takes 2 years because its a lot harder to do background check. Do some googling for Christ sake.
fuck it. i will even do it for you:

http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question...3134732AAyaHyw

" Skilled worker can take as little as 12 months if you have the right job (a job in demand). Or it can take 2 to 6 years if you dont have a job in demand. That time also depends on which country you come from."

Here's a list of jobs in demand as of right now:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigra...tions.asp#list

No, it's not 7 and not 4 years.

Maybe there is immigrant category for stupid. They get a special line that takes 4 years to process. You should know better. you were there. Or maybe they just discriminate brain dead ex-marines. I didn't see them in that list of jobs in demand.
Everyone else gets it in 12 month.

That is a pretty fucking stupid question. I know MANY people of various races who do not like people of their same race. It's fairly common these days actually. Now I can add you to that list. I refer to people like you as: "hypocritical racists."

Nobody in the story YOU linked to said anything about the shooter being an illegal. That's all you bitch.

As for "this state"....Do you mean AZ? I guess your dumb ass is not aware that I have had a place in AZ for over a year now.

Stick to what you know which is CLEARLY.....well....Nothing really.

here. lets put this to rest.
At least we both agree on one thing that you don't know shit about this issue.

http://www.immigration.ca/permres-faq-english.asp#4

I didn't see any special office for "stupid" where you had your papers processed for 4 years if it takes 3 years for some street sweeper from Yemen get his shit done.

TheDoc, you reading this????

no. A living hell must be what you face every day:thumbsup

Make sure you get your facts straight. This is coming from someone that has been trying to legally have residence in Canada. I have been going through the issue since 2001. Currently I have been out of the country since January 9th because they will not allow me back in. I clearly pass all point qualifications that you believe yet I still have issues. So here I sit in my country of birth, the US, and wait for my papers once again to be cleared so I can go to my home in Toronto.

So kindly take your 6 month family case and shove it up your ass. I'm not taking either your side or the person you are arguing with. But do not quote the bullshit about it only taking 6 months to get into Canada versus 6 years to get into the states.

Today's "Native Americans are now not believed to be the "First" settlers of the America's, they are now believed to be the second wave of settlers that gave us the genetic origin of today's Eskimos, Aleuts and the Navajo.
Thus they displaced people also and are not generally thought of as the original settlers, by many of the scientific community today.

Early immigrants most closely resembled the prehistoric Jomon people of Japan and their closest modern descendants, the Ainu, from the Japanese island of Hokkaido,

The immigrants settled throughout the hemisphere, and were in place when a second migration -- from mainland Asia -- came across the Bering Strait beginning 5,000 years ago and swept southward as far as modern-day Arizona and New Mexico, the study said. The second migration is the genetic origin of today's Eskimos, Aleuts and the Navajo of the U.S. southwest.

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/41/080.html

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Probably not. He's too busy, in another thread, trying to justify being a thief.