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yourpussy 05-06-2010 07:02 PM

i will die with no food :">
training no food and water now >:)

StrokeKing 05-06-2010 07:02 PM

poor cat.. sad story., take good care of her please.

theking 05-06-2010 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choker (Post 17116006)
Again you are a FUCKING idiot. Show me this law you just squirted out your ass. People like you who think you know everything crack me up. Show me this law that says if I have a sick pet I have to seek treatment for its illness or I risk going to jail. Does this law include pet frogs and mice too? idiot

I am not going to take the time to review Florida law...but here is a general outline of what constitues animal cruelty.

Animal Cruelty Law & Legal Definition

Acts of violence or neglect perpetrated against animals are considered animal cruelty. Animal cruelty laws vary by state, and violations may constitute a felony or a misdemeanor, depending on the jurisdiction. Many animal cruelty laws specifically exclude accepted animal husbandry practices involving farm animals, animals used in research, and lawful hunting and trapping of wildlife. Some states have training and reporting programs for social workers who suspect animal abuse during the course of their work in domestic violence and child abuse and some states provide immunity to veterinarians who report suspected abuse.

Generally, animal cruelty can be divided into two categories: neglect and intentional cruelty. Examples of intentional cruelty include, among others, overt abuse, when an individual purposely inflicts physical harm or injury on an animal, dog fighting and cock fighting. Acts of neglect include companion animals being neglected or denied basic necessities of care, such as food, water, shelter, or veterinary care.

Notice the very last sentence. No need to thank me for educating you...now you are dismissed. BTW...I assure you that is applicable in Florida.

Choker 05-06-2010 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking (Post 17116069)
I am not going to take the time to review Florida law...but here is a general outline of what constitues animal cruelty.

Animal Cruelty Law & Legal Definition

Acts of violence or neglect perpetrated against animals are considered animal cruelty. Animal cruelty laws vary by state, and violations may constitute a felony or a misdemeanor, depending on the jurisdiction. Many animal cruelty laws specifically exclude accepted animal husbandry practices involving farm animals, animals used in research, and lawful hunting and trapping of wildlife. Some states have training and reporting programs for social workers who suspect animal abuse during the course of their work in domestic violence and child abuse and some states provide immunity to veterinarians who report suspected abuse.

Generally, animal cruelty can be divided into two categories: neglect and intentional cruelty. Examples of intentional cruelty include, among others, overt abuse, when an individual purposely inflicts physical harm or injury on an animal, dog fighting and cock fighting. Acts of neglect include companion animals being neglected or denied basic necessities of care, such as food, water, shelter, or veterinary care.

Notice the very last sentence. No need to thank me for educating you...now you are dismissed.

In other words you talk out your ass. You really enjoy acting like you know everything.

If there is a law anywhere on the books that says specifically it is unlawfull to not take your pet to a vet if it is sick it would never be enforcable. But I doubt there is a law specifically like this anywhere. The fact that I have a dehydrated cat that I REFUSE to take to a vet and throw $1000 to $2000 down the toilet you are stating that I should be prosecuted for animal abuse? So next time one of my dogs gets a scratch that MAY become infected I'll treat it myself refuse to take it to the vet and you can call the police on me ok? idiot

theking 05-06-2010 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choker (Post 17116109)
In other words you talk out your ass. You really enjoy acting like you know everything.

If there is a law anywhere on the books that says specifically it is unlawfull to not take your pet to a vet if it is sick it would never be enforcable. But I doubt there is a law specifically like this anywhere. The fact that I have a dehydrated cat that I REFUSE to take to a vet and throw $1000 to $2000 down the toilet you are stating that I should be prosecuted for animal abuse? So next time one of my dogs gets a scratch that MAY become infected I'll treat it myself refuse to take it to the vet and you can call the police on me ok? idiot

There is a specific law and may or may not be a felony in certain jurisdictions...as stated above...and is enforced daily somewhere...every day...and is certainly enforced in Florida. You can learn alot if you watch the Animal Planet Channel and watch Animal Cops. They do different cities so it may take awhile before you catch a show that is in Florida.

Choker 05-06-2010 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking (Post 17116172)
There is a specific law and may or may not be a felony in certain jurisdictions...as stated above...and is enforced daily somewhere...every day...and is certainly enforced in Florida. You can learn alot if you watch the Animal Planet Channel and watch Animal Cops. They do different cities so it may take awhile before you catch a show that is in Florida.

There is no fucking law saying that anyone not taking a sick animal to a vet is committing a crime. You live in a fantasy world surfer.

Spunky 05-06-2010 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choker (Post 17116207)
There is no fucking law saying that anyone not taking a sick animal to a vet is committing a crime. You live in a fantasy world surfer.

:) http://www.internationalwildlifelaw....ectionAct.html

theking 05-06-2010 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choker (Post 17116207)
There is no fucking law saying that anyone not taking a sick animal to a vet is committing a crime. You live in a fantasy world surfer.

You are ignorant...and I suspect that you will remain so. I just provided you with a general outline of the laws against animal cruelty and you chose to ignore what it said. I personally hope that your ignorance is corrected the hard way...via the animal cops...or maybe a neighbor that is not interested in criminal justice but a more personal justice. Now feel free to go fuck yourself...sport.

Choker 05-06-2010 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking (Post 17116226)
You are ignorant...and I suspect that you will remain so. I just provided you with a general outline of the laws against animal cruelty and you chose to ignore what it said. I personally hope that your ignorance is corrected the hard way...via the animal cops...or maybe a neighbor that is not interested in criminal justice but a more personal justice. Now feel free to go fuck yourself...sport.

No, you surfer are the idiot. My cat got dehydrated, she is doing fine now, I simply feel that taking her to a vet would be a waste of time and money and you accuse me of animal abuse? One of my neighbors will call the animal police on me for what? Not blowing thousands of dolalrs at the vet when most likely it would do no better than what I'm doing now? Do you take your cat to the vet everytime she gets in a scrape with another cat outside and comes in your home limping? the stupidity of some people on this board is amazing.

THY 05-06-2010 08:43 PM

http://www.miamidade.gov/animals/report_cruelty.asp

Spunky 05-06-2010 08:45 PM

50 Animal Rights

THY 05-06-2010 08:50 PM

i think he is just saying that it could happen... i have seen it on Animal planet many times..
a neighbour can report animal abuse and then police will go and check.. doesnt mean
they will take you directly to jail for reporting..
usually on animal planet they were not arrested but just got a couple thousand dollars fine..

theking 05-06-2010 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THY (Post 17116311)
i think he is just saying that it could happen... i have seen it on Animal planet many times..
a neighbour can report animal abuse and then police will go and check.. doesnt mean
they will take you directly to jail for reporting..
usually on animal planet they were not arrested but just got a couple thousand dollars fine..

I have seen them arrested...tried...convicted...as well as jail time and/or fined. Usually though they will give you a written order to get treatment for the sick animal and then do a follow up to see that the written order was carried out. If it was not then they arrest and the prosecutor will place charges. They also will do a follow up...even if the written order was carried out...to see that the animal is still doing well or if conditions have reverted back...and if they have reverted back...then they will arrest.

Choker 05-06-2010 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THY (Post 17116311)
i think he is just saying that it could happen... i have seen it on Animal planet many times..
a neighbour can report animal abuse and then police will go and check.. doesnt mean
they will take you directly to jail for reporting..
usually on animal planet they were not arrested but just got a couple thousand dollars fine..

Yeah I know what your saying, but he says it is unlawfull to not take a sick animal to the vet. That's bullshit, nobody here has posted any links to any official sites that contains a law that specifically says that it is unlawfull to NOT take a sick animal to a vet. A law like that would be rediculous. There is no law that says you MUST take your sick child to the doctor, let alone any law that says you must take a sick animal to a vet. If my kid got a cold I'm not taking her to the doctor. If she broke her leg of course I would.

Theking is making me out to be a animal abuser which pisses me off. If your dog had cancer and the vet said ok we can treat it with chemo and radiation its gonna cost you $5000 to $10000 and you say no put it to sleep would that be abuse? Of course not.

Moonbeam is doing fine she's eating, drinking, sleeping and purring. I have not seen her use the liter box yet but it's a big house and litter boxes are thruought the house and there are two other cats inside. I hope she makes it if she doesnt I will have no regrets for not taking her to the vet.

Any laws regarding animals and vets most likely deal with mandatory vaccines.

raven1083 05-06-2010 09:12 PM

poor animal!!

theking 05-06-2010 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choker (Post 17116334)
Yeah I know what your saying, but he says it is unlawfull to not take a sick animal to the vet. That's bullshit, nobody here has posted any links to any official sites that contains a law that specifically says that it is unlawfull to NOT take a sick animal to a vet. A law like that would be rediculous. There is no law that says you MUST take your sick child to the doctor, let alone any law that says you must take a sick animal to a vet. If my kid got a cold I'm not taking her to the doctor. If she broke her leg of course I would.

Theking is making me out to be a animal abuser which pisses me off. If your dog had cancer and the vet said ok we can treat it with chemo and radiation its gonna cost you $5000 to $10000 and you say no put it to sleep would that be abuse? Of course not.

Moonbeam is doing fine she's eating, drinking, sleeping and purring. I have not seen her use the liter box yet but it's a big house and litter boxes are thruought the house and there are two other cats inside. I hope she makes it if she doesnt I will have no regrets for not taking her to the vet.

Any laws regarding animals and vets most likely deal with mandatory vaccines.

Here you go...sport.

The 2009 Florida Statutes

Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 828
ANIMALS: CRUELTY; SALES; ANIMAL ENTERPRISE PROTECTION View Entire Chapter

828.12 Cruelty to animals.--

(1) A person who unnecessarily overloads, overdrives, torments, deprives of necessary sustenance or shelter, or unnecessarily mutilates, or kills any animal, or causes the same to be done, or carries in or upon any vehicle, or otherwise, any animal in a cruel or inhumane manner, is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or by a fine of not more than $5,000, or both.

(2) A person who intentionally commits an act to any animal which results in the cruel death, or excessive or repeated infliction of unnecessary pain or suffering, or causes the same to be done, is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or by a fine of not more than $10,000, or both.

(a) A person convicted of a violation of this subsection, where the finder of fact determines that the violation includes the knowing and intentional torture or torment of an animal that injures, mutilates, or kills the animal, shall be ordered to pay a minimum mandatory fine of $2,500 and undergo psychological counseling or complete an anger management treatment program.

(b) Any person convicted of a second or subsequent violation of this subsection shall be required to pay a minimum mandatory fine of $5,000 and serve a minimum mandatory period of incarceration of 6 months. In addition, the person shall be released only upon expiration of sentence, shall not be eligible for parole, control release, or any form of early release, and must serve 100 percent of the court-imposed sentence. Any plea of nolo contendere shall be considered a conviction for purposes of this subsection.

(3) A veterinarian licensed to practice in the state shall be held harmless from either criminal or civil liability for any decisions made or services rendered under the provisions of this section. Such a veterinarian is, therefore, under this subsection, immune from a lawsuit for his or her part in an investigation of cruelty to animals.

(4) A person who intentionally trips, fells, ropes, or lassos the legs of a horse by any means for the purpose of entertainment or sport shall be guilty of a third degree felony, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this subsection, "trip" means any act that consists of the use of any wire, pole, stick, rope, or other apparatus to cause a horse to fall or lose its balance, and "horse" means any animal of any registered breed of the genus Equus, or any recognized hybrid thereof. The provisions of this subsection shall not apply when tripping is used:

(a) To control a horse that is posing an immediate threat to other livestock or human beings;

(b) For the purpose of identifying ownership of the horse when its ownership is unknown; or

(c) For the purpose of administering veterinary care to the horse.

History.--s. 4, ch. 4971, 1901; GS 3395; RGS 5244; CGL 7363; s. 2, ch. 70-50; s. 4, ch. 71-12; s. 949, ch. 71-136; s. 1, ch. 82-116; s. 2, ch. 89-194; s. 5, ch. 94-339; s. 1286, ch. 97-102; s. 26, ch. 99-391; s. 35, ch. 2000-308; s. 1, ch. 2002-51.

"deprives of necessary sustenance"...are the key words here. On Animal Planet the show Animal Cops...uses this to mean taking your sick animal to the Vet...and they issue a written order for you to do so. You can tell them that you cannot afford to take your animal to the Vet and they will then take the animal from you and if the animal has not been harmed in any other way...you will be off the hook.

theking 05-06-2010 10:06 PM

More Florida law...

The 2009 Florida Statutes

Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 828
ANIMALS: CRUELTY; SALES; ANIMAL ENTERPRISE PROTECTION View Entire Chapter

828.073 Animals found in distress; when agent may take charge; hearing; disposition; sale.--

(1) The purpose of this section is to provide a means by which a neglected or mistreated animal can be:

(a) Removed from its present custody, or

(b) Made the subject of an order to provide care, issued to its owner by the county court, any law enforcement officer, or any agent of the county or of any society or association for the prevention of cruelty to animals appointed under s. 828.03,

and given protection and an appropriate and humane disposition made.

(2) Any law enforcement officer or any agent of any county or of any society or association for the prevention of cruelty to animals appointed under the provisions of s. 828.03 may:

(a) Lawfully take custody of any animal found neglected or cruelly treated by removing the animal from its present location, or

(b) Order the owner of any animal found neglected or cruelly treated to provide certain care to the animal at the owner's expense without removal of the animal from its present location,

and shall forthwith petition the county court judge of the county wherein the animal is found for a hearing, to be set within 30 days after the date of seizure of the animal or issuance of the order to provide care and held not more than 15 days after the setting of such date, to determine whether the owner, if known, is able to provide adequately for the animal and is fit to have custody of the animal. The hearing shall be concluded and the court order entered thereon within 60 days after the date the hearing is commenced. No fee shall be charged for the filing of the petition. Nothing herein is intended to require court action for the taking into custody and making proper disposition of stray or abandoned animals as lawfully performed by animal control agents.

(3) The officer or agent of any county or of any society or association for the prevention of cruelty to animals taking charge of any animal pursuant to the provisions of this section shall have written notice served, at least 5 days prior to the hearing set forth in subsection (2), upon the owner of the animal, if he or she is known and is residing in the county where the animal was taken, in conformance with the provisions of chapter 48 relating to service of process. The sheriff of the county shall not charge a fee for service of such notice. If the owner of the animal is known but is residing outside of the county wherein the animal was taken, notice of the hearing shall be by publication in conformance with the provisions of chapter 49.

(4)(a) The officer or agent of any county or of any society or association for the prevention of cruelty to animals taking charge of an animal as provided for in this section shall provide for the animal until either:

1. The owner is adjudged by the court to be able to provide adequately for, and have custody of, the animal, in which case the animal shall be returned to the owner upon payment by the owner for the care and provision for the animal while in the agent's or officer's custody; or

2. The animal is turned over to the officer or agent as provided in paragraph (c) and a humane disposition of the animal is made.

(b) If the court determines that the owner is able to provide adequately for, and have custody of, the animal, the order shall provide that the animal in the possession of the officer or agent be claimed and removed by the owner within 7 days after the date of the order.

(c) Upon the court's judgment that the owner of the animal is unable or unfit to adequately provide for the animal:

1. The court shall order the animal to be sold by the sheriff at public auction, and shall provide in its order that the current owner shall have no further custody of the animal and that any animal not bid upon shall be remanded to the custody of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, the Humane Society, the county, or any agency or person the judge deems appropriate, to be disposed of as the agency or person sees fit; or

2. The court may order the animal destroyed or remanded directly to the custody of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, the Humane Society, the county, or any agency or person the judge deems appropriate, to be disposed of as the agency or person sees fit, upon the testimony of the agent who took custody of the animal, or upon the testimony of other qualified witnesses, that the animal requires destruction or other disposition for humanitarian reasons or is of no commercial value.

3. Upon proof of costs incurred by the agent or officer, the court may require that the owner pay for the care of the animal while in the custody of the agent or officer. A separate hearing may be held.

4. The court may order that other animals that are in the custody of the owner and that were not seized by the officer or agent be turned over to the officer or agent, if the court determines that the owner is unable or unfit to adequately provide for the animals. The court may enjoin the owner's further possession or custody of other animals.

(5) In determining the person's fitness to have custody of an animal under the provisions of this act, the court may consider, among other matters:

(a) Testimony from the agent or officer who seized the animal and other witnesses as to the condition of the animal when seized and as to the conditions under which the animal was kept.

(b) Testimony and evidence as to the veterinary care provided to the animal.

(c) Testimony and evidence as to the type and amount of care provided to the animal.

(d) Expert testimony as to the community standards for proper and reasonable care of the same type of animal.

(e) Testimony from any witnesses as to prior treatment or condition of this or other animals in the same custody.

(f) The owner's past record of judgments under the provisions of this chapter.

(g) Convictions under the statutes prohibiting cruelty to animals.

(h) Any other evidence the court considers to be material or relevant.

(6) If the evidence indicates a lack of proper and reasonable care of the animal, the burden is on the owner to demonstrate by clear and convincing evidence that he or she is able and fit to have custody of and provide adequately for the animal.

(7) In any case in which an animal is offered for auction under the provisions of this section, the proceeds shall be:

(a) Applied, first, to the cost of the sale.

(b) Applied, secondly, to the care and provision for the animal by the officer or agent of any county or of any society or association for the prevention of cruelty to animals taking charge.

(c) Applied, thirdly, to the payment of the owner for the sale of the animal.

(d) Paid over to the court if the owner is not known.

History.--s. 2, ch. 75-223; s. 2, ch. 76-102; s. 1, ch. 78-12; s. 1, ch. 79-234; s. 1, ch. 87-389; s. 1, ch. 89-194; s. 1285, ch. 97-102.

Choker 05-06-2010 10:20 PM

Theking you really need to get a life surfer. Nowhere does this say you must take your sick animal to a vet. All that shit you see on animal planet is people who abuse animals. A cat getting locked in a trailer by accident is not abuse dumb ass. Leaving a dog in your car with the windows rolled up is, huge difference. I'm glad you have hours and hours to do nothing more than research florida law, must suck for you still you have not found what you think is the law. I'm thru with you surfer.

JaneB 05-06-2010 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choker (Post 17114019)
I love my pets but I'm not gonna spend $1000 on a vet for this cat. She's drinking and eating, she seems to naturally know not to drink or eat too much. Slept in my bed last night and woke me several times purring wanting to be petted. If she starts acting wierd, not drinking or eating I'll consider taking her to the vet.



Not to be mean but when you adopted the cat you made a promise to take care of her. That includes medical care even if it is expensive. If the cat did not have food and water for that long you should get her checked out. If the vet gives you a long list of things he or she wants to do to the cat, then you can pick what to decline.

Another thing you might check out is pet insurance. I have it on both of my dogs and it covers a lot of things.

theking 05-06-2010 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choker (Post 17116466)
Theking you really need to get a life surfer. Nowhere does this say you must take your sick animal to a vet. All that shit you see on animal planet is people who abuse animals. A cat getting locked in a trailer by accident is not abuse dumb ass. Leaving a dog in your car with the windows rolled up is, huge difference. I'm glad you have hours and hours to do nothing more than research florida law, must suck for you still you have not found what you think is the law. I'm thru with you surfer.

Even when you read...assuming you did...the applicable laws involved in animal cruelty and animals in distress...you still choose to remain ignorant of the laws. BTW...this surfer has bought a substantial amount of traffic from you in the past...but it will be a cold day in hell before I would do business with you again. Now...you are permanently dismissed...you ignorant piece of human shit.

Choker 05-06-2010 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking (Post 17116514)
Even when you read...assuming you did...the applicable laws involved in animal cruelty and animals in distress...you still choose to remain ignorant of the laws. BTW...this surfer has bought a substantial amount of traffic from you in the past...but it will be a cold day in hell before I would do business with you again. Now...you are permanently dismissed...you ignorant piece of human shit.

Sure you have. Look fuckface your pissed because you spent thousands of dollars on vet bills and your cat still died. For some unknown reason you think I should spend thousands of dollars on a cat that as far as it's actions shows is perfectly fine. Fuck off surfer.

Davy 05-07-2010 03:24 AM

Things can happen. Taking the cat to a vet won't fix her.
I would probably not take it there, either. Just give the cat the attention that it deserves now.

DiF0r 05-07-2010 04:46 AM

Hope the cat gets ok :)

ottopottomouse 05-07-2010 05:10 AM

It's not being deprived it's being fed watered and looked after. Glad theking aint a fucking Judge.

Big difference between intentional cruelty and accidentally shutting a cat in somewhere.

seeandsee 05-07-2010 05:13 AM

I am full of shit and laws, just be good to your pets

TurboAngel 05-07-2010 09:31 AM

You can find a low cost clinic in your area. It might cost $20 for her to see the vet. I have a g/f who lived in Daytona and she said there was a vet that came around once a month in some kinda van. It's crazy but cats can survive all kinds of things. I'm glad you found her and I hope she las learned not to get shut up in the shed.

czarina 05-07-2010 09:34 AM

I would rush her to the vet, may be they can help by putting an IV in her with vitamins and iron, or something.

Gosh, people, are you unable to not start drama about everything you read?

minddust 05-07-2010 09:36 AM

Baller status


NOT

leedsfan 05-07-2010 09:42 AM

I'm amazed no-one has seen through this obviously bogus post. I applaud you Choker, you're a funny guy. And goading theking into doing a lot of legwork on legal, is even funnier.

Post a pic. ;)


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