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Amputate Your Head 05-17-2010 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 17147675)
Just the other day you were telling us how people should not be protecting themselves with weapons and instead should be calling the police. Now you are telling us that police are pigs and should not be trusted.

I said people don't need to be packing in the frame of mind of carrying out executions on their own, in situations like the one the other day with the store robbery. I'm pretty sure no one at this house called the SWAT team in.

And for the record, I've always said the pigs are pigs and should not be trusted.

Amputate Your Head 05-17-2010 11:58 AM

Where are all the gun advocates? If this family had been packing in the house they could have 'protected' themselves and executed the entire SWAT team. Isn't that 'freedom'? Isn't that their 'right'?

Amputate Your Head 05-17-2010 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17147680)
Apparently they did gain control, because no cops were killed. You act like the cops busted in there, took aim at the kid and fired.

wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Phoenix 05-17-2010 12:02 PM

i find it interesting that a swat team member cant handle a mother resisting without their fiream going off and killing an innocent child.

no matter what...that is one major fuck up...and he should be finished as a police officer
or more likely...moved out of swat, that bullet could have hit one of his guys as well

he has no business being on the squad

Marcus Aurelius 05-17-2010 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17147688)
Where are all the gun advocates? If this family had been packing in the house they could have 'protected' themselves and executed the entire SWAT team. Isn't that 'freedom'? Isn't that their 'right'?

most detroit negros ARE packing heat

that's the reason the girl died

Amputate Your Head 05-17-2010 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MDCQ (Post 17147701)
most detroit negros ARE packing heat

that's the reason the girl died

No, the girl died because the SWAT team executed her.

Vexes 05-17-2010 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17147687)
I said people don't need to be packing in the frame of mind of carrying out executions on their own, in situations like the one the other day with the store robbery. I'm pretty sure no one at this house called the SWAT team in.

And for the record, I've always said the pigs are pigs and should not be trusted.

Of course they called the SWAT team in. They begged the SWAT team to storm their house the second they decided it was a good idea to hide and give refuge to a known murderer with their child.
:2 cents:

Sly 05-17-2010 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17147688)
Where are all the gun advocates? If this family had been packing in the house they could have 'protected' themselves and executed the entire SWAT team. Isn't that 'freedom'? Isn't that their 'right'?

If they had the legal right to own weapons, then sure. Would have been pretty retarded to pull out a little pistol against a SWAT team... don't you think? Almost as retarded as resisting arrest against a SWAT team... don't you think?

baddog 05-17-2010 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17147689)
wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Drinking early today?

Amputate Your Head 05-17-2010 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 17147706)
If they had the legal right to own weapons, then sure. Would have been pretty retarded to pull out a little pistol against a SWAT team... don't you think? Almost as retarded as resisting arrest against a SWAT team... don't you think?

The mentality as I understand it based on the statements made on this website by gun advocates, it has nothing to do with what is 'retarded' or smart. It's all about, 'I want my gun and I'll use it as I see fit.'

Yet these people didn't pull any guns on the pigs did they. SWAT were the only ones killing people in there. If the SWAT members cannot control one unarmed person resisting arrest, they need to be stripped of the position. Lots of people resist arrest.

Amputate Your Head 05-17-2010 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17147713)
Drinking early today?

I don't drink any more.

baddog 05-17-2010 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17147717)
I don't drink any more.

Too bad. Would at least give a reasonable explanation for your comments.

Arnox 05-17-2010 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17147666)
bullshit. It is 100% the fault of the police. Preaching moral hindsight is fucking lame. If the pigs can't serve a search warrant without killing little sleeping girls, they need to find another line of work. Maybe the fucking postal service or something.

What's that? You're an idiot? Oh. Sorry. I thought you had something constructive to say.

Never mind.

dyna mo 05-17-2010 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17147688)
Where are all the gun advocates? If this family had been packing in the house they could have 'protected' themselves and executed the entire SWAT team. Isn't that 'freedom'? Isn't that their 'right'?

i've been a gun advocate for the 40+ years i've owned handguns and such. but as of this weekend i've decided to get rid of all my handguns and am canceling my nra membership.

i will be keeping my remington 870 shotgun, although i will be letting that go soon as i get a taser/stun gun.

Sly 05-17-2010 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17147715)
The mentality as I understand it based on the statements made on this website by gun advocates, it has nothing to do with what is 'retarded' or smart. It's all about, 'I want my gun and I'll use it as I see fit.'

Yet these people didn't pull any guns on the pigs did they. SWAT were the only ones killing people in there. If the SWAT members cannot control one unarmed person resisting arrest, they need to be stripped of the position. Lots of people resist arrest.

Gun advocates advocate the right to own a gun for personal defense and for sport. Not for shooting at police.

Amputate Your Head 05-17-2010 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17147723)
Too bad. Would at least give a reasonable explanation for your comments.

My comments are based on a very long history of unqualified, poorly trained police abusing their power and fucking up resulting in people dying for no reason. I don't need to be drunk to come to those conclusions. It's fact.

Amputate Your Head 05-17-2010 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 17147731)
Gun advocates advocate the right to own a gun for personal defense and for sport. Not for shooting at police.

Wouldn't protecting your sleeping 7-year old daughter from cowboy SWAT members be considered self-defense? I would've killed that fucker where he stood. Shooting my daughter would've been the last thing that fucker ever did.

Arnox 05-17-2010 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17147738)
Wouldn't protecting your sleeping 7-year old daughter from cowboy SWAT members be considered self-defense? I would've killed that fucker where he stood. Shooting my daughter would've been the last thing that fucker ever did.

Nah, protecting your sleeping 7-year-old daughter would involve not giving shelter to someone who murdered a teenager.

Amputate Your Head 05-17-2010 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Arnox (Post 17147746)
Nah, protecting your sleeping 7-year-old daughter would involve not giving shelter to someone who murdered a teenager.

Again, preaching moral hindsight.
You don't know what the back story relationship dynamics involved are.
Maybe they should have eaten better food and not smoked too.

Nautilus 05-17-2010 12:25 PM

Horrible, but I do not think police is to blame here.

Amputate Your Head 05-17-2010 12:27 PM

100 dead police victims.

Vexes 05-17-2010 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17147761)
Again, preaching moral hindsight.
You don't know what the back story relationship dynamics involved are.
Maybe they should have eaten better food and not smoked too.

You know nothing about what the HIGHLY TRAINED SWAT TEAM MEMBERS encountered when they entered the residence either.
:2 cents:

ASW 05-17-2010 12:30 PM

see what i don't understand is how can the cops do that. an let me guess they got away with it to

Amputate Your Head 05-17-2010 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Vexes (Post 17147775)
You know nothing about what the HIGHLY TRAINED SWAT TEAM MEMBERS encountered when they entered the residence either.
:2 cents:

Actually, I do know. I know they were facing an unarmed group of people since the only one dead was a sleeping 7 year old. Unless she had an AK under her blanket or something.

Arnox 05-17-2010 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17147761)
Again, preaching moral hindsight.
You don't know what the back story relationship dynamics involved are.
Maybe they should have eaten better food and not smoked too.

And you don't know the exact circumstances surrounding exactly how the girl was shot or why. Do you see the problem with your fallacious logic here? Good.

I highly doubt this SWAT guy was happy with what he did and I highly doubt it was done on purpose. What do you think the police force is? A race of immoral humans running around shooting kids and laughing about it once they get back to the station?

Amputate Your Head 05-17-2010 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Arnox (Post 17147820)
What do you think the police force is? A race of immoral humans running around shooting kids and laughing about it once they get back to the station?

Yes, I do.

18teens 05-17-2010 12:52 PM

Very sad. May the poor little girl rest in peace.

L-Pink 05-17-2010 01:00 PM

The cop probably mistook her for a motorcycle rider.


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Poindexterity 05-17-2010 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 17146684)
I'd have to say that until you do their job then it's hard to judge them. It's a shame a child was killed in a situation like this but there was obviously a reason the gun was out. Cops don't just pull their guns for no reason.

you know they put poison in that kool-aid right?

ReGGs 05-17-2010 01:30 PM

Two things for all those quick to jump on the cops side.

ONE: It wasn't the right house. They lived in a duplex and the Murder suspect was in a TOTALLY DIFFERENT HOUSE.

TWO: The woman bumped into the cop completely on accident and wasn't in the middle of a scuffle.

All of you who said it was the parents fault for hiding a murderer need to get their facts straight. Regardless you would be none too happy if some swat team barged into your house and shot your 7 year old when you had done nothing wrong.

Ethersync 05-17-2010 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ReGGs (Post 17147991)
Two things for all those quick to jump on the cops side.

ONE: It wasn't the right house. They lived in a duplex and the Murder suspect was in a TOTALLY DIFFERENT HOUSE.

TWO: The woman bumped into the cop completely on accident and wasn't in the middle of a scuffle.

All of you who said it was the parents fault for hiding a murderer need to get their facts straight. Regardless you would be none too happy if some swat team barged into your house and shot your 7 year old when you had done nothing wrong.

:2 cents:

JP-pornshooter 05-17-2010 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ReGGs (Post 17147991)
Two things for all those quick to jump on the cops side.

ONE: It wasn't the right house. They lived in a duplex and the Murder suspect was in a TOTALLY DIFFERENT HOUSE.

TWO: The woman bumped into the cop completely on accident and wasn't in the middle of a scuffle.

All of you who said it was the parents fault for hiding a murderer need to get their facts straight. Regardless you would be none too happy if some swat team barged into your house and shot your 7 year old when you had done nothing wrong.

there is always that..
i guess until we get a straight story we cant really completely asses the situation.
from karup charles it sounds like he knew the situation very well, it is a highly publicized case in Detroit..
but lets see facts.

nobody wants a dead girl or any innocent dead people for that matter.

Arnox 05-17-2010 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ReGGs (Post 17147991)
Two things for all those quick to jump on the cops side.

ONE: It wasn't the right house. They lived in a duplex and the Murder suspect was in a TOTALLY DIFFERENT HOUSE.

TWO: The woman bumped into the cop completely on accident and wasn't in the middle of a scuffle.

All of you who said it was the parents fault for hiding a murderer need to get their facts straight. Regardless you would be none too happy if some swat team barged into your house and shot your 7 year old when you had done nothing wrong.

This post would have been so much more convincing if you attached a credible source to the bottom of it.

Evidence please, thanks in advance.

Ethersync 05-17-2010 01:49 PM

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Atty: Video shows police fired into Detroit home

By COREY WILLIAMS (AP) ? 37 minutes ago
DETROIT ? An attorney for the family of a 7-year-old girl slain during a weekend raid at their Detroit home says video footage contradicts the police department's version of events.

Geoffrey Fieger (FY-gur) said Monday that the video shows police fired into the home at least once after lobbing a flash grenade through a window.

He says that contradicts the police department's explanation that an officer's gun fired during a confrontation with a resident inside the home.

Seven-year-old Aiyana Jones was shot in the neck and died.

Fieger says he viewed three to four minutes of footage but declined to say who showed it to him.

Police are trying to obtain footage from an A&E camera crew that was at the raid.
An A&E spokesman declined to comment.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...EYHrwD9FOQ4VO0

Ethersync 05-17-2010 01:54 PM

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Fieger: The shot was fired from outside Aiyana home
7-year-old killed during police raid Sunday
BY JIM SCHAEFER
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

Southfield attorney Geoffrey Fieger said this afternoon that he has viewed videotape that shows the gunshot that killed 7-year-old Aiyana Jones came from outside the house and not after an altercation inside the door as police officials have claimed.

“It’s not an accident. It’s not a mistake. There was no altercation,” Fieger said. “The bullet was shot from outside the house.”

Fieger, who is representing the dead girl’s family, said he will file lawsuits on their behalf on Tuesday.

He would not disclose the source of the videotape, but said it shows the event from before the police raid until after the girl’s body was carried outside.

Police officials who were investigating the incident have said the shooting Sunday morning on Detroit’s east side was accidental and occurred after officers were inside the home.

Assistant Chief Ralph Godbee said the gunshot occurred after some type of altercation between one of the officers and the girl’s grandmother.

Today, Godbee refused to comment on Fieger’s allegations and many other swirling questions because the state police have taken over the investigation.

Contact JIM SCHAEFER: 313-223-4542 or [email protected].
http://www.freep.com/article/2010051...de-Aiyana-home

Karupted Charles 05-17-2010 01:54 PM

Thank you for this article as I had not seen that before. It only broke a few minutes ago. FYI Geoffrey Fieger is a celebrity case ambulance chaser so no surprise here that he is the attorney. I am not saying that this is not true though I see no mention of a duplex and them being in the wrong house in this report.

Amputate Your Head 05-17-2010 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ReGGs (Post 17147991)
Two things for all those quick to jump on the cops side.

ONE: It wasn't the right house. They lived in a duplex and the Murder suspect was in a TOTALLY DIFFERENT HOUSE.

TWO: The woman bumped into the cop completely on accident and wasn't in the middle of a scuffle.

All of you who said it was the parents fault for hiding a murderer need to get their facts straight. Regardless you would be none too happy if some swat team barged into your house and shot your 7 year old when you had done nothing wrong.

If this is true, it only illustrates what I've been saying: Incompetent police. Period.
And isn't SWAT supposed to be held to higher standards? Now they are raiding the wrong house and killing little girls? Pathetic. Everyone on that swat team needs to be put in a meter-maid cart for the rest of their careers.

baddog 05-17-2010 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ReGGs (Post 17147991)
Two things for all those quick to jump on the cops side.

ONE: It wasn't the right house. They lived in a duplex and the Murder suspect was in a TOTALLY DIFFERENT HOUSE.

TWO: The woman bumped into the cop completely on accident and wasn't in the middle of a scuffle.

All of you who said it was the parents fault for hiding a murderer need to get their facts straight. Regardless you would be none too happy if some swat team barged into your house and shot your 7 year old when you had done nothing wrong.

So, you were there I guess. Was it scary?

Ethersync 05-17-2010 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17148102)
So, you were there I guess. Was it scary?

No, but she was...



And he saw video of the whole incident...

http://www.freep.com/section/videone...id=86123334001

//can't embed this one.


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ReGGs 05-17-2010 02:21 PM

Sources:

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/23570515/detail.html

"The house is a duplex, and family members of the girl said the man police were looking for was not in their home but the one above them."

Regardless, is it only cool to murder a 7 year old when there are other murderers around? I'll keep that in mind.

More sources....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37195018...s-ft_myers_fl/


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