Some people are skum.... but that doesn't mean trial upgrades are :thumbsup

Then you have a trial members area - it's limited to 5 GBs. You just allow them to pick any content up to 5 GBs. No difference in picking the content they can view.

And they are over in one hour, they won't need to log back in until the next day when they want to blow their load.

Oh no trails are good (for the most part) lol.

haha, I was about to post that.

I tried this for a while, limiting number of videos works better, they upgrade faster. Limiting to 500mb worked better than limiting to 1GB a day too.


The less you give, the faster they upgrade, period.

All this assumes you have a good CMS / Templates show enough to let em know you have the motherload of content waiting for them and all your thumbs are tempting.

AMEN sister.
ds

Welcome to 2004

Once again you're wrong. Even with the 1 DVD at a time trial they offer you can view unlimited streaming movies/shows.

The point is they offer a free month trial and the terms of that trial are clearly visible. You get to try their service for a month. If you like it, stay a member. If you dont, cancel. This was the point of the thread. Brazzers trial memberships are just a small sampling of what they offer and nowhere do they actually mention this. A trial should allow a customer to test out the product/service so they can determine if they want to continue and pay full price.

You just wrote out why I wasn't wrong... they give out 1 dvd at a time as a trial, it's limited, because it's a trial.

With a limited porn trial (online vs getting something in the mail) you get to see the members area, see what you would get, the update speeds, server speeds, loading times, and you get a limited amount of content to see what the features are actually like.

This trial more than allows them to see if they're getting and if they to continue with the service or not.

When you allow a porn trial to access everything, they rip you off... the member, frauds the paysite owner, then returns only buying trials, your piracy explodes, and so on.

Simply because you don't like the business model, doesn't make it fraud.

No it is not fraud unless that checked box is not visible or unclickable to change.

Last I checked " TRIAL" memberships didn't mean limited access, but limited amount of time. Like a 3 day trail.... meaning you pay for 3 days vs 30. Since when did the meaning of trail membership change to mean you only get limited access? And if it does mean that why is it not stated??

It was around 1999/00 range... and trial means "trying something to find out about it" - you can apply time, download limits, amount of content, it isn't bound to a number of days or any set thing when trying it out.

Brazzers should sue the thread starter no banning, no discussion I would sue.

The Doc and Kristin you guys can point out the truth of this over and over your numbers are dead on, and you just gave out great industry info that should help anyone with trials who isn't making as much as they could.

At Twistys we currently give full access full trial but will we for ever? I doubt it. I prefer the limited trial and it's effect on revenue.

20% conversion from trial to full? Damn, I feel pretty good about our 50-60% conversion now :pimp

No its not a limited trial. You obviously dont have NetFlix or have ever taken advantage of their trial.

You sign up for the 1 DVD a month (and unlimited streams) $8.99 plan. You get one free month. If you like the service you can stay a member and you will be charged $8.99 per month and you will receive THE EXACT SAME THING AS THE TRIAL. If during your full membership you want to upgrade to additional DVD's per month then you can do so.

This is an honest trial. Telling the customer the "trial" is $1 but not telling them the content is extremely limited and then auto rebilling for $40 after 24 hours if they want full access is not.

Whatever happend to offering a service that people actually want to continue their membership? All everyone in this thread is discussing is not allowing full trials because the user will download everything and then cancel. Shouldnt the real concern be that the site in question isnt offering any new content that makes the user want to continue their membership?

except that the exact same limit for the full membership

and they clearly state that limit on their tour

Not to be a douche, but you've said 'trail' like 20 times when you mean to say 'trial' and it really fucks up some of your sentences :pimp just fyi

Nono, you got it all wrong. you see a Trial membership is when you sign up for a site, watch a bunch of porn and charge it back.

What you bought was the 'diet membership' , as in, I only need 4 movies to beat off on for a dollar.

Anyone who offers a full trial memnbership is probably getting ripped off. People know how to cancel their membership.

I had to click to the terms to see it.. and again, even if they didn't say it was one in one out, it wouldn't be fraud.

why is the doc always wrong. like some malfunctioning bot.

Sweet....don't you guys have trial upgrades though? Cause a 50/60 natural would put you in the top 1% of any product in the world.

Why are you such a malfunctioning troll?

Sweet 3rd page too...

If the limited trial business model didn't work the business owners wouldn't use it.
There is a reason why most of you speculating about what they do are affiliates and not program owners.

Bourgeouisie exploiting the proletariat
Sounds like they 'get' capitalism.

gonna put up some links

Listen... it comes down to this: They run it one way, other sites run it different ways, and our industry runs differently as well - and with that, not everyone in our Industry runs it like Brazzers.

If you don't like how some people run it, set yours up differently... it's that simple. I for one found a great balance, might have gotten one complaint every 6 months, and still maintained a cb ratio under .5%...

You can update until you turn blue in the face and your trials will still hop until you offer upgrades. The best site to the crap site, it makes no difference. Without upgrades, your losing 30-40% of your money.

what the fuck are you talking about


http://www.netflix.com/

the bottom picture on the page is actually called

"nm_hiw_iw_dvd_oneout.jpg"

and it says

plus DVD by mail (1 out at a time)

if your selling one thing and delivering another that is fraud.

and it is most certainly dishonest.

not illegal but against the posting rules

Depends on the biller, you know how NATS works with trial/upgrades process. If I understood you correctly, I was referring to 50-60% (depending on the site) of those who took a trial converted to full (either by user upgrading manually or not cancelling).

We do mention in our join page (above the JOIN NOW button) that the trial rebills at $29.99 (standard price) after 3 days.

Nice... to bad that promo text has nothing to do with the trial offer...

http://www.netflix.com/FreeTrialInfo

As I said, I had to click to the terms... not that I care, but good god.

Oh I was meaning more... natural conversions, no upgrades of any kind. Just letting people naturally rebill without doing anything.

I know you guys run a great revshare program... But I do feel you should dump the revshare and go PPS, your company will net more money if you're pulling numbers like that.

He has no idea what he is talking about. He makes up a sites trial offer to suit his argument and when called out on it moves on to the next topic.

It's pretty simple...

Legitimate trial (NetFlix): 1 month free to test out the service. You decide to stay a member you get exactly what the trial gave you. Then you have options to upgrade and pay more.

Not legitimate trial (Brazzers and according to this thread a ton of other porn sites): 1-3 day limited trial, which they dont tell you, and the real terms are buried in the terms of service (maybe). Then only if you upgrade to the full price do you actually get full access which was promised on the tour.

Why give the chance to cancel before the 3 days are up via a natural conversion? If they want to upgrade immediately, let them do so :pimp

What's pretty simple.... is you don't like the business model, that's fair enough - I said that.

Again, a trial is "trying something to find out about it" - and that's exactly what Brazzers offers.

The only problem here is your ability to understand that trials mean different things to different companies.

Exactly.. You guys do it in an honest way. :thumbsup

Knocking trial upgrades because this is how brazzers does it, is silly though (not saying you were) It's just another way to do it, only reason people are hating is because it's brazzers.

No the reason people are hating as you put (I hate that term) it is because they do not disclose even in a hidden TOS that you do not get full access when you join the 2 day trial. Then when a customer does have an issue they threaten them with and industry wide blacklist. This type of tactic only pushes customers away from joining legitimate sites like scores who does it right, in the future.

I don't think not having it on your terms or clearly spelled is an issue.. fraud wise, but it doesn't mean I do it that way.

Even when you add honest upgrades, some people bitch... it's not like when you get aggressive the support complaints rock through the doors. You get like 1 or 2 more, out of 100's of sales.

The scale of averages kicks in.. not everyone thinks they got ripped off and some think they got ripped off even when they got exactly what the tour said.

We do go a step further and contact customers who have not logged in. It has helped us prevent fraud in the past and catch carders and such.

Sweet, TopBucks does the same thing to non-logged in members, and it has greatly help reduce fraud. Would be sweet if nats could make that a standard feature :)

Thats what I see when clcking join now on www.milfslikeitbig.com

Annual memberships do not rebill automatically.
3 Month memberships rebill at $49.95 every 3 months until cancelled.
Monthly memberships rebill at $24.95 per month until cancelled.
Trial memberships rebill at $1.00 per month until cancelled.

both the trial offer and the full membership offer the same 1 out per day limit

so that statement is total bullshit.


show me one thing that is in the main offer that is taken out of the trial and you would have a point.

but until you do you just trying to justify selling them one thing and delivering another.