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Fletch XXX 05-24-2010 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17169917)
I spent summers down there every year as a kid. I was planning on renting a camp down there this summer but I guess not now.

nice, we mustve had similar lives growing up in NOLA and spending summers on Grand Isle. Still have tons of family there, its so sad seeing it covered in oil and all the life on the beaches dying.

The memories of that place when we were young will never be the same, as it is the beach itself is nowhere near what it was when we were coming up, but theyve been rbuilding it and I too was goingt o take my little girl and wife there for the first time this summer.

It will be one of my lifes regrets that both of them could not see grand isle before the oil. People who are no from here and grow up the way we do living on the water just never will understand. These waters are all we have...

/tears

Jdoughs 05-24-2010 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 17169949)
as i said you just want to argue

my family has worked for over 100 years to have their business here and then all of a sudden it is come to a hault and you think we will stand by and told we cannot film what is happening?

LOL

nowhere did I say we need tourists at this time, but when you stop a mans business you expect him to just stay inside and not look out the window and take a pic? THIS IS OUR FUCKING BACKYARD MAN! WE LIVE ON THE BAYOU, get it through your head.

Its easy to sit far away being armchair judge like you, but when its in your backyard then come talk to me.

You are completely missing my point. You are too hung up on being in the drama then the solution.

My only point is bitching about it, pointing fingers, and stirring up drama is getting NOBODY anywhere.

cherrylula 05-24-2010 04:07 PM

The chemicals they spray to make the oil sink are as bad as the oil itself as well.

cherrylula 05-24-2010 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 17169959)
You are completely missing my point. You are too hung up on being in the drama then the solution.

My only point is bitching about it, pointing fingers, and stirring up drama is getting NOBODY anywhere.

AWARENESS, fwiw

Fletch XXX 05-24-2010 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 17169959)
You are completely missing my point. You are too hung up on being in the drama then the solution.

My only point is bitching about it, pointing fingers, and stirring up drama is getting NOBODY anywhere.


umm hello, i was posting about media coverage/stopping citizens/reporters from filming of this event and sharing photos, YOU and NO ONE ELSE came in and started this stuff about "blame"

you started the blame game no one else. I wasnt bitching about it, pointing any fingers or stirring drama, that was ALL YOU LOL :thumbsup

seeandsee 05-24-2010 04:11 PM

fucking money will kill us all, just money money money

Cyber Fucker 05-24-2010 04:16 PM



I think this music video I had in my head is very "current".

Brujah 05-24-2010 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 17169838)
Saying this is sad, or an outrage and then jumping into your oil powered vehicle, to get to your gas heated, and oil product based home, is kind of silly. We pay for this product, we consume more and more of it everyday, we demand the product and we even cry for it to be cheaper -> WE DID THIS.

We were doing all that long before the spill. A spill isn't necessary for us to be able to do any of that.

Quote:

BP didnt set out that week to wreck a ecosystem (yes it did happen) but they were only answering OUR supply and demand craze.

The blame for this lies on ALL OF US.

To think any different is foolish.
Drill baby Drill! :thumbsup

Jdoughs 05-24-2010 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 17169969)
umm hello, i was posting about media coverage/stopping citizens/reporters from filming of this event and sharing photos, YOU and NO ONE ELSE came in and started this stuff about "blame"

you started the blame game no one else. I wasnt bitching about it, pointing any fingers or stirring drama, that was ALL YOU LOL :thumbsup

Yeah, I started this thread in an attempt to burn BP a new asshole.

Check it, you'll see my name up top as OP.

Again, you and your 'cousins' have no business out there in boats to make people look bad. If you are going to help then go HELP, making the clean up crews, and BP workers look bad IS NOT HELPING. Posting threads about them 'arresting' people for being where they shouldn't be, isn't helping.

Feel free to quote me and tell me I dont know what Im talking about, and that I'm just posting to argue.

theking 05-24-2010 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 17169774)
Here is what they dont want you to see this is a screengrab from iphone video my cousin made yesterday on his boat, he is facebooking the videos so I cannot share here but this shows how destroyed our bayous are now

http://www.ch33rs.com/pics/bp-oil-spill.html

http://www.ch33rs.com/pics/BP-oil-spill.jpg

Hmm...I am seeing such scenes reported daily upon multiple media outlets as well as even my local news. I have not heard any major media outlets...or minor media outlets complain about not being allowed to photograph or cover the event.

ProG 05-24-2010 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17170003)
Hmm...I am seeing such scenes reported daily upon multiple media outlets as well as even my local news. I have not heard any major media outlets...or minor media outlets complain about not being allowed to photograph or cover the event.

Here you go

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6496749n&tag=api

Jman 05-24-2010 04:30 PM

Sickens me to the bones...

theking 05-24-2010 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ProG (Post 17170010)

I have previously seen the video...and that is far from complaining about not being allowed to photgraph or cover the event. I watch the White House daily press briefing every day and have not heard a single complaint about being denied coverage. The event in the video is a singular event and the reporter stated that the Coast Gaurd was looking into the matter.

Fletch XXX 05-24-2010 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ProG (Post 17170010)

theking is ex military (or at least claims he was) he will disagree with you and claim no media has been stopped LOL

Why 05-24-2010 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17169917)
I spent summers down there every year as a kid. I was planning on renting a camp down there this summer but I guess not now.

We should shut down the state boarders and turn off the oil till the Fed Govt steps up and fixes this and also pays us our fair share of royalties.

What i think is total bullshit is that states like Florida and California don't drill for oil off their coasts but they don't pay extra fees either. They shouldn't have their cake and eat it too. If you don't want to drill fine, then you pay a 10% surcharge to the states that do drill. Why in the hell should we drill and send them our oil/gas and we have to suffer the consequences of drilling (destroying the cost from both erosion and now oil spills) where as Florida and California has none of those risks AND they get the oil for the same price we do. Fuck that. You have a choice. Drill or not. If not, then you pay a 10% surcharge to the state that produced the oil. If we send oil to Florida they pay 10% surcharge that goes back directly to LA to spend on dealing with the coastal erosion, oil spills, etc... for producing it here. Either play or pay or you don't get the oil.

correction. California does drill off its coast, been to Ventura or Santa Barbara lately? plenty of rigs out there off the coast of CA.(dont know what they are pumping, could be NG)

i think the oil companies pay states that allow drilling, fees as a tax for allowing them to profit from the states natural resources, what your state does with those proceeds is a whole another buisiness. i think alaskans get kickbacks for their oil fields.

better then goldmines which just have to pay $1 per year per acre lease to the BLM and get to rape $8B in gold out of a hill.

fatfoo 05-24-2010 05:31 PM

I read that BP did not install "expensive" safety valves. That's unfortunate.

dyna mo 05-24-2010 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ProG (Post 17169956)
I think it would be absurd to make plans to clean at this point when the oil is still flowing from the leak. This is only the first of many many oil covered months ahead.

absurd? hardly.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spil...ry?id=10731680

http://www.thegovmonitor.com/world_n...ted-31719.html

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-sp...over_bp_d.html

dav3 05-24-2010 06:41 PM

Fuck BP.

LoveSandra 05-24-2010 06:53 PM

it sucks

Fletch XXX 05-24-2010 08:04 PM

everyone should watch this vid, the whole thing, dont watch 2 mins and stop.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/...id=87314616001

BFT3K 05-24-2010 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 17169838)
Saying this is sad, or an outrage and then jumping into your oil powered vehicle, to get to your gas heated, and oil product based home, is kind of silly. We pay for this product, we consume more and more of it everyday, we demand the product and we even cry for it to be cheaper -> WE DID THIS.

BP didnt set out that week to wreck a ecosystem (yes it did happen) but they were only answering OUR supply and demand craze.

The blame for this lies on ALL OF US.

To think any different is foolish.

Yeah, because we don't want electric cars - we don't want solar energy - we don't want wind power - we don't want ANYTHING better than oil!

You are an idiot!

We are all fucking pawns to the powers that be.

It doesn't matter what WE want - it never has!

Follow the fucking money - it doesn't end up in OUR fucking bank accounts!

spacedog 05-24-2010 08:47 PM

Why is all the rage and blame put on BP? What about Halliburton, the company that cemented the drill into place and had just completed that task only 20hrs before the blowout?

This whole fucking mess stinks. :mad:

Jdoughs 05-24-2010 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17170490)
Yeah, because we don't want electric cars - we don't want solar energy - we don't want wind power - we don't want ANYTHING better than oil!

You are an idiot!

We are all fucking pawns to the powers that be.

It doesn't matter what WE want - it never has!

Follow the fucking money - it doesn't end up in OUR fucking bank accounts!


Forget your meds today?

I say we hold the blame also, for 'needing' this Oil and your best answer is to rant on like a shit belching lunatic and call me an idiot, great argument. What are you a 16 year old who's overdosing on steroids?

I didn't ask you to agree with me, but if I'm an idiot for stating that, then you must be 5 levels beneath me for your childlike reply.


So carry on whining and bitching like a fucking schoolgirl, that's gonna solve lots of problems. You got FUCKING YEARS to go after the people at fault.

YOU HAVE MINUTES TO SAVE THE DAMAGE BEING DONE.

Pretty simple fucking decision to make about what should be done first.

papill0n 05-24-2010 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn (Post 17169814)
I just learned today that the oil companies are only liable for damages caused to everyone UP TO $75M ... the government covers the rest...

Apparently there's an $0.08 tax on every barrel to cover it and there's currently about $1B in the fund...

That's fucking BS no wonder they didn't install the safety valve thing... They don't have to face the full consequences of a disaster!

The $0.08 tax should go away and oil companies should be fully liable for every fucking cent... If they were fully liable I guarantee you they would have put that valve in... too big of a risk NOT to but if you only have to be liable for a fraction of the damages what's the incentive to pay the extra cost up front?

You do understand that no amount of money is ever going to repair the damage being done yeah ?

People continually make the mistake of thinking money can fix anything and everything.

spacedog 05-24-2010 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn (Post 17169814)
I just learned today that the oil companies are only liable for damages caused to everyone UP TO $75M ... the government covers the rest...

Apparently there's an $0.08 tax on every barrel to cover it and there's currently about $1B in the fund...

That's fucking BS no wonder they didn't install the safety valve thing... They don't have to face the full consequences of a disaster!

The $0.08 tax should go away and oil companies should be fully liable for every fucking cent... If they were fully liable I guarantee you they would have put that valve in... too big of a risk NOT to but if you only have to be liable for a fraction of the damages what's the incentive to pay the extra cost up front?

NO! The government does not cover the rest, THE AMERICAN TAX PAYERS DO. Also, king Hussein just increased the tax to .32

Jack Sparrow 05-24-2010 11:28 PM

BP has the power to arrest people?!

Anyways.. theres a lot more coming for the areas that are "victim" of the oilspil. What about those millions of tourist that visit these states/areas every year. Im pretty sure a lot of them will plan their trips elsewhere.

Its a fucking fucking shame BP manages to construct something that can pump millions of litres of oil to the surface, but NEVER thought about how to fix shit when something went wrong. Guess they where to busy counting money.

But now what? What can we do?

will76 05-24-2010 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 17169958)
nice, we mustve had similar lives growing up in NOLA and spending summers on Grand Isle. Still have tons of family there, its so sad seeing it covered in oil and all the life on the beaches dying.

The memories of that place when we were young will never be the same, as it is the beach itself is nowhere near what it was when we were coming up, but theyve been rbuilding it and I too was goingt o take my little girl and wife there for the first time this summer.

It will be one of my lifes regrets that both of them could not see grand isle before the oil. People who are no from here and grow up the way we do living on the water just never will understand. These waters are all we have...

/tears

How old are you? 33 here. My birthday is in June, we use to rent a camp there for a week every year for my birthday from as far back as I could remember till I was 10 or so. Last time I was down there was before Katrina. Was looking forward to going back this summer.

Surf fishing, running crab lines along the beach, floundering at night, fishing off the pier at night under the lights catching school trout... lots of fun.

will76 05-24-2010 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Why (Post 17170105)
correction. California does drill off its coast, been to Ventura or Santa Barbara lately? plenty of rigs out there off the coast of CA.(dont know what they are pumping, could be NG)

i think the oil companies pay states that allow drilling, fees as a tax for allowing them to profit from the states natural resources, what your state does with those proceeds is a whole another buisiness. i think alaskans get kickbacks for their oil fields.

better then goldmines which just have to pay $1 per year per acre lease to the BLM and get to rape $8B in gold out of a hill.

Pretty sure California doesn't drill for oil.

Sure the oil companies pay the state they are operating out of, but that is not my point. If Florida and California say "no we don't want oil rigs off of our cost" then fine. Louisiana, Texas, Alabama, Alaska etc.. can all say the same thing then right??? Why is it that some states get fucked having to deal with this shit and the others say " oh no, not us... but btw, send that oil you get over to us we need it". Fuck that. You either drill or compensate the state drilling if you choose not to drill. The "not in my back yard" people have been getting away with too much for to long. Either pay extra for it, or produce it yourself, or stop using it.

People don't realize all these oil wells need pipe lines. When they put pipe lines in the cut right through the marsh. There are tons of pipe lines down here that helped make coastal erosion a lot worse. Which happens then is we have less land to break up the surge from hurricanes. So now our levees take the brunt and there is nothing to knock it down before that. What little buffer (marsh) we have left is now soaking in oil. So to all the people that said " don't rebuilt back that city" after Katrina. That's nice, about 30% of the oil produced in the US comes from Louisiana, the oil companies killed our coast line and make us much more vulnerable to flooding from hurricanes, but as long as the rest of the country gets their oil from us they don't give a shit what happens to the people who lives here. :Oh crap

tiger 05-25-2010 12:08 AM

Amazing there are actually people defending BP.

L-Pink 05-25-2010 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by papill0n (Post 17170634)
You do understand that no amount of money is ever going to repair the damage being done yeah ?

People continually make the mistake of thinking money can fix anything and everything.

Yea that's the tragic part. It will take nature generations to clean this mess. What BP is doing with chemicals to break down the crude will have a COSMETIC affect only. Everything will be dead.


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roly 05-25-2010 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn (Post 17169814)
I just learned today that the oil companies are only liable for damages caused to everyone UP TO $75M ... the government covers the rest...

Apparently there's an $0.08 tax on every barrel to cover it and there's currently about $1B in the fund...

That's fucking BS no wonder they didn't install the safety valve thing... They don't have to face the full consequences of a disaster!

The $0.08 tax should go away and oil companies should be fully liable for every fucking cent... If they were fully liable I guarantee you they would have put that valve in... too big of a risk NOT to but if you only have to be liable for a fraction of the damages what's the incentive to pay the extra cost up front?

BP have said they will pay for the cleanup and disregard the $75m limit on liabilities.

nathan_madness 05-25-2010 12:56 AM

They fucked up big time and they should pay for it!

roly 05-25-2010 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17169936)
I agree 100%



It's foolish to think this could NOT have been prevented. If BP wouldn't have been so greedy and they would have installed the proper safety measures this likely wouldn't have happened. For example. Their "top hat" and other containment devices they tried to use they had to make first. Why didn't they have shit like that already created and on stand by? Why didn't they have a plan B, C or Plan A for that matter. They failed to put the safety devices in place because they were greedy and they failed to have stand by fixes in place. Instead of taking a week to build the shit they would have had it made and ready to use.

It is BP's greed that is more to blame then us consuming oil. Sure we should all push to not use oil, but even if we found alternative entergy for cars and to power our homes, there is still a big need for oil. I don't know if we could ever get 100% off of oil because so it is used to create so many things. Even if we were off of oil 90% we still would need Oil rigs for the other 10%, as long as we need oil rigs, we need oil companies to be RESPONSIBLE and not cut corners trying be greedy. 10Billion in profits wasn't enough they had to cut corners to make more money :mad::mad::mad:

i keep reading about BP not installing this safety valve on here, but can't find a source for it. have you got a link?

Dirty Dane 05-25-2010 01:04 AM

Arrested for filming oil? BS

Fletch XXX 05-25-2010 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17170810)
How old are you? 33 here. My birthday is in June, we use to rent a camp there for a week every year for my birthday from as far back as I could remember till I was 10 or so. Last time I was down there was before Katrina. Was looking forward to going back this summer.

Surf fishing, running crab lines along the beach, floundering at night, fishing off the pier at night under the lights catching school trout... lots of fun.

amazingly similar LOL I am 33, turn 34 next month in June man.

Well my family has lived in this area since before it was America so never had to rent cabin but I stayed there for at least a month every summer growing up, I spent Hurriane Juan on Grand Isle despite evacuation orders :) 3 weeks on an island covered in 4 foot of water LOl I was 11.

Agent 488 05-25-2010 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 17169838)
Saying this is sad, or an outrage and then jumping into your oil powered vehicle, to get to your gas heated, and oil product based home, is kind of silly. We pay for this product, we consume more and more of it everyday, we demand the product and we even cry for it to be cheaper -> WE DID THIS.

BP didnt set out that week to wreck a ecosystem (yes it did happen) but they were only answering OUR supply and demand craze.

The blame for this lies on ALL OF US.

To think any different is foolish.

shut up man. i minimize that shit in my life. if you live like that maybe them i blame you consumer robot.

Agent 488 05-25-2010 05:11 AM

honestly i wont be surprised if people start to bomb bp offices.

dav3 05-25-2010 05:31 AM

At least BP's heart is in the right place.

http://assets.motherjones.com/enviro...ilbeachbag.jpg
http://motherjones.com/environment/2...and-isle-beach


:disgust Fucking greedy pathetic humans.

u-Bob 05-25-2010 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn (Post 17169814)
I just learned today that the oil companies are only liable for damages caused to everyone UP TO $75M ... the government covers the rest...

Apparently there's an $0.08 tax on every barrel to cover it and there's currently about $1B in the fund...

That's fucking BS no wonder they didn't install the safety valve thing... They don't have to face the full consequences of a disaster!

The $0.08 tax should go away and oil companies should be fully liable for every fucking cent... If they were fully liable I guarantee you they would have put that valve in... too big of a risk NOT to but if you only have to be liable for a fraction of the damages what's the incentive to pay the extra cost up front?

Exactly, the problem here isn't that companies want to make money, the real problem is that government interference in the economy (limited liability etc) created a situation where companies have no reason the prevent problems.

The solution to the problem is: less government. In a free market system, in a pure capitalist system, companies would be liable for 100% (or more) of the damages caused.... a clear incentive to care about safety.

u-Bob 05-25-2010 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 17169863)
claiming "safety vales are too expensive" = who gets the blame.

Shell voluntarily installs backupsafety valves that BP claims are too expensive to install on its rigs. Do not confuse real blame with your simplistic view.

We are not responsible, the company that fights safety rgulations and send home safety test crews 11 hours early before doing its tests the day the explosion occured is who is to blame.

And why are companies able to act this way? Because governments interference in the economy makes it possible.

Without government interference in the economy => no (free) limited liability (where the tax payer has to pick up the tab) => companies are forced to protect their investments/installations/workers/reputations/....


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