dont even need a permit to carry in car or boat LOL

parts of america are indeed still free.

The whole drill baby drill thing, and the NOTION that " it helps get us off foreign oil" is a LIE. Make sure you realise this. It's a LIE that drilling offshore helps us get energy independant, because it DOESNT.

We sell the oil on the open market. We do not stockpile it and use it only in the United States. Therefore, it is simply a LIE to say that it helps get us off foreign oil. It's a simple lie, for simple people. Voters. Make no mistake.

Sure, what we sell it for helps offset the money we pay for other things. Like other oil.. but that doesnt get us off the desperate need for foreign oil, never has, never was, never will. Never.
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horrible stuff...

That is why I love AZ :winkwink:

Man this is a crazy mess and it will take a long time before this will be resolved and the beaches/fishing/tourist/economy gets back to normal. Atleast with a hurricane you just wait for the water to go down and go clean up and rebuild but with oil its a completely different ball game.

I have lots of friends who also grew up down there and they are not sure what they will do or where their families will go because this has wrecked their way of life and their means to pay the bills. Not really sure who all is responsible for this mess but the oil companies knew this day would happen eventually with as much as they drill.

This is one of those situations where you could blame BP totally but there were alot of other hands in the pot and they all want the most profit possible. And without stricter drilling regulations requiring companies to install more safety valves/systems and keep emergency equipment on stand by this could happen again. I am not defending BP or have my head buried in the sand, this so terrible for everyone that there is not anything placing blame on one particular company will solve.

Here is to hoping kids will be able to swim on those beaches and people will be able to fish in those waters again in our lifetime :(

whole thing makes me nauseous.

you syhouldve smelled the smell of burning oil the day this happened.

I took my daughter for a walk (i hold her cuz she was 5 months old) and when I brought her in, my wife asked me whats that smell in her clothes. I felt terrible I hadnt noticed the smell because we had been inside working and when I went outside thought it was just a fire or something...

it was a faint smell but as night went on, and day after it got worse, it was the smell of burning oil

Death man, nothing else else, its the smell of death.

Jeez Louise the New Orleans area has taken a shitkicking this past decade. Hurricane after hurricane culminating with Katrina, and now this, this black diahrea bubbling up from hell's bowels. This BP company is going to pay but whatever, the damage is done and the fallout from this disaster will have lasting environmental repurcutions spanning... who knows how long?

As to the "we are all to blame" argument, I can only speak for myself. I cut my need for petroleum products by a large margine many years ago. Since working from home I don't need to drive the car all that much. My house is heated with natural gas, not oil. The day a line of decent electric or hydrogen fuel cell cars becomes available I'm buying one on the spot.

I wish to hell N America would get off the oil teet and put far more money and effort into developing the clean/natural power sources, wind, solar, etc. If the world keeps on the way it's going with the oil oil oil shit it will very likely be the thing that causes WW III.

As someone who has wanted to buy one for a very long time and was excited about them when they came out, Electric cars are a controversy in themselves

http://www.congratstothewinners.com/...ctric-car.html

watch this DVD to see how California was getting ready for them and then,... "sweep, under the rug" They demlished them all

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...FU/congrats-20

There was a guy up in Canada who a few years back started making electric cars I think based on the golf cart model. They were absolutely nifty but were quite small and with a low top speed so they only had limited use, so he decided to pitch his car to national parks. One such park tried one out and ended up buying a bunch of them and were using them when the government found out and immediately shut them down as well as his enterprise.

It was on some consumer-watch type program on TV not too long ago. All I could do was shake my head in disgust.

So even the smallest move in that direction gets the plug pulled. Because it's oil or nothing. Oil is money, oil is what drives industrial and corporate America.

Your idea is spot on...

The problem is that the oil companies lobbied for the same laws that put caps on their liability.

Corporations love regulation when it benefits them and hate it when it hinders them. This BP spill is a perfect example.

It's a giant fucking mess that needs a lot of unraveling.

I'm sorry Fletch, I feel for you and your family I really do. This spill is just tragic in every sense of the word. My thoughts are with you and all those people down there that are being directly effected right this very minute. I pray that they are able to stop the massive pumping of oil into the Gulf (really 'spill' or 'leak' just does not to it justice) and that the aftermath is somehow not as severe as it appears it will be