Originally Posted by cyber (Post 17175280)

I work in the industry? Same as you, I'd imagine.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17175351)

You don't get out much, do you really buy the idea we need 20 million fruit pickers?

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 17175536)

Says the guy that claimed there are more whites on welfare than blacks and Hispanics combined. :1orglaugh
I don't have a lot of faith in your ability to read or understand statistics.

Originally Posted by v4 media (Post 17175661)

What's that 7% of your population? Seems about fair. All the shitty jobs that 90% of Americans wont do. The low paid nannies, cleaners, yard work, factories, farming, building, unskilled labor etc.


Do you not think that if all 20 million fucked off, America would be seriously buggered.

Originally Posted by Loryn (Post 17174263)

Immigration: Let's say I break into your house...

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 17175735)

Arizona is actually one of the most blue states there are.

You can buy a brand new 2000 SF house for $125K.

You can get state insurance making up to close to $2k a month.

Food stamps can be had as well.

Meanwhile in my state, Maryland, which is labeled a blue state ... the average house is about $250k and you cannot get health insurance or food stamps if you make more than about $400/mo.

What Arizona needs to do is kick its white people off welfare and stop blaming everyone else.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17175739)

No true, I went into a taco bell yesterday and the person that saw me couldn't get someone that spoke english to serve me, that job could have gone to a teenager

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17175739)

No true, I went into a taco bell yesterday and the person that saw me couldn't get someone that spoke english to serve me, that job could have gone to a teenager

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17175739)

No true, I went into a taco bell yesterday and the person that saw me couldn't get someone that spoke english to serve me, that job could have gone to a teenager

Originally Posted by v4 media (Post 17175810)

Yep the problem is most of today's teenagers are lazy fuckers who sponge off their parents. or their parents are like no my child can't work at Tacobell he's going to be a lawyer...


Different country but a good example.. In southern Spain unemployment for the under 25's is about 40% yet when it's the olive harvest they have to bring in immigrants to pick the olives because the lazy teenage Spanish wont do it.


When a poor country borders a rich one you will always have this problem.. 100's of Africans die every year trying to get to Spain, when they get here they are treated like shit, yet they still come.

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17175818)

Interesting. So, let's say they shitcan one of those people and hire a teenager. A white teenager from Denmark that doesn't speak english. What then? Also, are you suggesting that Taco Bell hires illegal aliens, or do you just hate people that don't cater to your every need?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17175896)

I don't care where they come from, if they are here working, learn the language, if I were going to work in another country, I'll learn the language

Originally Posted by Loryn (Post 17174346)

With that ideology everyone in Africa and Europe owes their land to some other group of people throughout history, because at one point they were living on "someone else's land" too, you don't believe in evolution do you... :winkwink:

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17175908)

And if you go deaf next year, will you be complaining because no one at Taco Bell knows sign language?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17176016)

I grew up with a step dad that was legally deaf and read lips, if I go deaf, I'll learn that as well

In Japan, I ordered a Big Mac in Yokohama, they brought me out a menu to point to, so without having the know the language, I got my Big Mac. And replied Domo

Doubt I will go deaf, I was a sonar tech for the Navy, my hearing is better than people half my age

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17175739)

No true, I went into a taco bell yesterday and the person that saw me couldn't get someone that spoke english to serve me, that job could have gone to a teenager

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 17175536)

Says the guy that claimed there are more whites on welfare than blacks and Hispanics combined. :1orglaugh
I don't have a lot of faith in your ability to read or understand statistics.

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17176048)

It's just hypothetical. I'm not actually questioning your hearing.
But would you expect Taco Bell and every other retailer to train their employees in sign language? It doesn't sound like it. Sounds to me like you would make-do, like your Japan reference. Just like I have done many times in Germany, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, etc... and times when I've lost my voice altogether.

The world is diverse. The "speak English or get out" rhetoric is old and tired.

Originally Posted by cgiGeek (Post 17176053)

we actually dont want you on our taco bells... fuck off and leave

Originally Posted by Why (Post 17176093)

how soon we forget that almost all of our ancestors arrived here from somewhere.

im 100% for legal immigration, but if you cant follow the rules and pay your taxes GTFO!

i have legally immigrated to, lived and worked in a foreign country, its not so bad.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17176114)

but why should every public servant learn Spanish?

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 17175792)

have you ever lived here :helpme you can get stamps making $800 per month i think the cap is like $1100 but you have to be working. and kicking whites off welfare you dont know what their going through.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17175593)

I wouldn't have such a hate for the asshole if he did anything right!

He let the fucking President Of Mexico bash the American people for their vote on a bill to force the US government to do what they are suppose to do, in front of CONGRESS!

Fuck Obama

I'm tired of that bowing Politically correct son of a bitch

Where do you get this 1000's? I read the news report and it said much smaller number after the Bush Plan ended in 08. And where do you get the 300 miles? They stated along the mexico US border. Maybe you would like a copy of hooked on phonics? It might help!

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17175593)

For your reference, a liberal news feed
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6518192.shtml
Of course they didn't state how many troops Bush sent, that would make Obama look bad!

I find it funny that Arizona found out about troop deployment thru the associated press, man our government is fucked up!

Originally Posted by cyber (Post 17174300)

I'm not seeking to gain attention. It just irks me that so many people feel illegal immigration is a clear cut thing.

My mother moved to the states because of how dangerous Nicaragua had become thanks to the US involvement with the Contras. We were wetbacks here for years (16 years to be exact) before we were granted amnesty... basically an apology for fucking up my home country.

The US gives huge subsidies to US farmers, who then sell their food so cheaply south of the border that local farmers are unable to compete, because they do not receive subsidies from their government. So, they lose their farms. What should they do? Lose their farms and work for $2 an hour in their home country, or come here illegally and make much more than that?

I'm not calling America evil. I'm saying that it has major involvement in all this. In the words of Jeremiah Wright, America's "chickens coming home to roost".

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17176080)

Then I don't have a lot of faith in your ability to understand basic 3rd grade math.

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17176131)

Because a good portion of the public speaks spanish. It's not rocket surgery. If we had a large Mongolian population here, I'm sure they'd probably need to learn Mongolian as well.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17176258)

This is what I don't get about this illegal crap. If a Mexican can come into this country not speaking the language, zero US education, and work harder for less and take away a job from any American ...possibly they're not the problem?

This country provides the best opportunity to improve your life and Americans are provided more opportunities or possibilities then any other country in the world. Again, if you have any problem with them taking your job then you're the problem..

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17176274)

So you're saying we should disregard the Asian immigrants here and the 14 different dialects they speak? Including Mongolian. Or should all the public servants learn all 14 different dialects as well?

I grew up around the corner from some Mongolians, spoke perfect English, I had a big crush on Julie!

Funny how when I grew up in California, we celebrated Cinco De Mayo, we learned Spanish in the 6th grade, we learned about the culture of Mexico, but you're telling me they shouldn't have to do that?

Should we only be concerned about large populations of a different language?

pequeño trabajo para rentabilidad grande

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 17176270)

Really? Here's the stats you posted...

"Here are the statistics on welfare recipients:

Race
--------------
White 38.8%
Black 37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian 2.8
Other 3.4"


Here's your assertion..."From what I see and based off the number of people, White people collect FAR more welfare than Blacks and Latino combined, the population difference is huge."


Please explain how you came to your conclusion.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17176308)

White: 4,701,013 = 1,823,993 people on welfare
Black: 210,069 = 78,145 people on welfare
Hispanic: 1,785,737 = 317,861 people on welfare

78,145 + 317,861 = 396,006

Difference of 1.4 million more whites on welfare. So really we could say, whites collect more welfare than all other races combined together.

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 17176321)

Where are these numbers from and what do they represent?

38.8% of welfare recipients are white
37.2% are black
17.8 are hispanic

Which means blacks and hispanics combined comprise 55% of welfare recipients. Which is greater than 38.8%

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 17176321)

Where are these numbers from and what do they represent?

38.8% of welfare recipients are white
37.2% are black
17.8 are hispanic

Which means blacks and hispanics combined comprise 55% of welfare recipients. Which is greater than 38.8%

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17176327)

My post was in reverence to the Taco bell post. BUT with that said, the companies (or you) should always be in a position to report them if they do hire illegals. Period.

But the truth, have you ever seen an unemployed US teenager go to a farm owner during harvest time? ...- it would never happen.

There is a solution to this problem like they do in Europe. The Government there finds you a (any) job and if you refuse they cut your benefits. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17176334)

This is very basic stuff... when you have an astounding amount more of one thing, it's going to be a larger amount even if the other two are added together. As I said in the original quote you shared of mine, "the population difference is huge."

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 17176336)

who gives a fuck its just more of your racial bullshit :2 cents:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17176201)

Should he have like dropped kicked the Mexican President? What about when other leaders have bashed us for war or economic plans and various other things, did those presidents drop kick them? When our President visits them and says things those Country people don't like, do they drop kick our president or just throw a shoe at them?

Your hate for his actions is rather crazy when every single president has done what he has.

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17176285)

Well, as the saying goes, you can't please all of the people all of the time. The world isn't perfect. I didn't build it.

Originally Posted by cyber (Post 17174271)

ok fine I'll bite.

Let's say I live in a fake country, ok? this country is ruled by an evil dictator, right. So, me and my fellow countrymen overthrow this dictator, and assume control of the country. Easy enough, right?

Ok, then the US comes in and gives money and training to very bad men. The money comes from selling weapons (bombs) to another country, then funneling that money illegally into my country. Not only do they bring in money, but they train these guys on how to lay landmines. Not militarily strategic placements, no. They lay these landmines outside of villages where thousands of innocent civilians blow up by stepping on them. Still with me? Because in addition to all this, your country also sells cocaine in my country to raise money.

The end result is that my country is left in absolute shambles. It'll take decades to properly fix up.

Have you guessed what country I am from?

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17176343)

How do I know if they hired illegals and it sounds like someone did report them...

Of course kids aren't going to farm for 14 hours a day for $10 in 120 heat and farms can't pay them the legal wage. That's why farms have easy immigration paths to take for harvest time and don't need illegals.

The real solution to our problem is to make it criminal to hire illegals.. like Oklahoma did, which of course nobody went off the handle about.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17176410)

I don't like high debt

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17176410)

I don't like having the best military on the planet and have my leader bowing to leaders of third world nations

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17176410)

I hate political correctness when dealing with terrorist.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17176410)

I hate the government passing huge bills for entitlements saying they are going to save money and not really knowing if they will or not just to find out later they don't save, they cost.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17176410)

I hate a president that runs on promises he hasn't kept

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17176410)

He won't say Radical Islamic Extremist, but he can call a peaceful movement of concerned US CITIZENS Tea Baggers, FUCK THAT ASSHOLE!!!

Originally Posted by Loryn (Post 17174263)

I just received this from a friend :1orglaugh

Recently large demonstrations have taken place
across the country protesting the fact that Congress
is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration.

Certain people are angry that
The US might protect its own
borders, might make it harder
to sneak into this country and,
once here, to stay indefinitely.

Let me see if I correctly understand
the thinking behind these protests.
let's say I break into your house.
let's say that when you discover
me in your house, you insist that I leave.

But I say, 'No! I like it here.
it's better than my house. I've made all
the beds and washed the
dishes and did the laundry
and swept the floors. I've
done all the things you don't
like to do. I'm hard-working
and honest
(except for when I broke into your house).

according to the protesters:
You are Required to let me stay in your house
You are Required to feed me
You are Required to add me to your family's insurance plan
You are Required to Educate my kids
You are Required to Provide other benefits to me & to my family
(my husband will do all of your yard work because
He is also hard-working and honest, except for that
Breaking in part).

If you try to call the police or force me out,
I will call my friends who will picket your
house carrying signs that proclaim my
RIGHT to be there.

It's only fair, after all, because you have
a nicer house than I do, and I'm just
trying to better myself. I'm a hard-working
and honest, person, except for well,
you know, I did break into your house
and what a deal it is for me!!!

I live in your house, contributing only a
fraction of the cost of my keep, and
there is nothing you can do about it
without being accused of cold, Uncaring,
selfish, prejudiced, and Bigoted behavior.

Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you learn
MY LANGUAGE!!! So you can
communicate with me.

:angrysoap


:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17176437)

No, you can't , there will always be some poor SOB that won't be happy.
But some new laws that should be enforced need to come up.

If you want to be a citizen, learn the language
If you want to be a citizen, do so legally
If you want to be a citizen, embrace being a US citizen and don't fly an Mexican flag, if that's what you love, then you can go back.

We spend BILLIONS in security forces in other countries, lets spend a little in this country!

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17176453)

I never really thought about it this way.

If your Mexican and your here legally, welcome to the United States. You can be my friend.

If your here illegally, driving a car without insurance, not paying taxes, sucking down my resources, and jacking up my health insurance because you go to the ER because you don't have your own insurance and need medical assistance.... Fuck off.

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17176452)

Who does?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17176478)

Do you really think Obama was saying that in a good light?

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17176466)

LOL, this redneck reasoning is funny.
I'm a white dude with a Scottish background. I love Mexico, and I will fly a Mexican flag off the front of my house right now in the middle of suburbia if I think it'll make me happy. Being an American citizen means I can do whatever the fuck I want. I'm sorry you don't agree with that, but you don't have to. Welcome to America.