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Vendzilla 05-26-2010 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cgiGeek (Post 17174303)
lol A+

unless you are a native American which I doubt you are , you are just the first trespasser, and I bet you did not do beds, or laundry etc.

I'm a Native American, so fuck off and leave

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Originally Posted by MDCQ (Post 17175149)
what a racist thread

Typical response from an idiot

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Originally Posted by v4 media (Post 17174793)
If they were paid properly for the work they did, rather than big food companies paying cents to fruit pickers or builders picking up stupidly cheap illegal labor. You would have a section of the population that is actually pretty honest and hardworking.

You don't get out much, do you really buy the idea we need 20 million fruit pickers?

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 17174443)

Secondly, illegals don't get a whole lot of free government assistance.

Um, you don't read much, San Bernardino county spent 67 million dollars on anchor babies last year in welfare cost, that's one county. Then there is the free hospitals for the anchors babies that are born here at an average cost of $10,000 each


And fuck Obama, he's sending 1200 troops to the border, Bush sent 6000, did the border get smaller?

TheDoc 05-26-2010 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17175351)
And fuck Obama, he's sending 1200 troops to the border, Bush sent 6000, did the border get smaller?

You have such a hard-on hate for Obama... it's truly pathetic to see you post.

He's sending 1200 MORE troops, on top of the 1000's already here and not 1200 to the border, 1200 more to "300 miles" worth of border.

TheDoc 05-26-2010 07:46 AM

Great post Loryn... truly funny to watch everyone analyze a joke.

TheDoc 05-26-2010 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 17174534)
most immigrants feed themselves :2 cents: some don't , some americans don't , neither is of any great consequence financially.

Almost all illegals feed their children at our schools. Food alone is billions, let alone the rest of the education cost.


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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 17174534)
again some do , some dont, the amount of income tax collected and never returned to immigrants far far far surpasses any insurance premiums.

That's because the fed isn't taking illegals out of its healthcare bill because that's the States job to pay for them. It's an "extreme" loss for the states from healthcare to education.


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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 17174534)
that is about the biggest bullshit i have heard yet, obviously there are alot of factors involved so it is a difficult issue but the majority of immigrants WORK supporting AMERICAN companies , making AMERICANS money, paying AMERICAN taxes. My best laymans guess would be they create way more money than they cost.

They don't make more than they cost... overall illegals cost our Country far far far far far more than they could ever put back in, even if every single one of them had a job.

We put in a huge amount and take out, and it just breaks even... an illegal does not put in as much as I do, period - yet they take equally as I do often more because they don't always have to pay.

GetSCORECash 05-26-2010 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Loryn (Post 17174263)
I've made all
the beds and washed the
dishes and did the laundry
and swept the floors. I've
done all the things you don't
like to do. I'm hard-working
and honest
(except for when I broke into your house).

The last Paragraph reminds me of Snow White. :)


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Originally Posted by cyber (Post 17174271)
Have you guessed what country I am from?

Nicaragua, didn't take much. But keep in mind that something similar also happened to El Salvador prior to Nicaragua, so the lesson wasn't learned, and will repeat itself again.

L-Pink 05-26-2010 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by fatfoo (Post 17174277)
To think that an owner should let a tresspasser stay on the property is unreasonable.

However, I read some articles that say in some places in North America there is a rule that says a place of business should give a person water, if the person demands water - because he/she could be dying of thirst.

You fucking idiot!


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L-Pink 05-26-2010 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MDCQ (Post 17175149)
what a racist thread

What a factual true thread.


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brassmonkey 05-26-2010 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 17175489)
You fucking idiot!


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:1orglaugh

escorpio 05-26-2010 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17175472)
They don't make more than they cost... overall illegals cost our Country far far far far far more than they could ever put back in, even if every single one of them had a job.

Says the guy that claimed there are more whites on welfare than blacks and Hispanics combined. :1orglaugh
I don't have a lot of faith in your ability to read or understand statistics.

Vendzilla 05-26-2010 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17175396)
You have such a hard-on hate for Obama... it's truly pathetic to see you post.

He's sending 1200 MORE troops, on top of the 1000's already here and not 1200 to the border, 1200 more to "300 miles" worth of border.

I wouldn't have such a hate for the asshole if he did anything right!

He let the fucking President Of Mexico bash the American people for their vote on a bill to force the US government to do what they are suppose to do, in front of CONGRESS!

Fuck Obama

I'm tired of that bowing Politically correct son of a bitch

Where do you get this 1000's? I read the news report and it said much smaller number after the Bush Plan ended in 08. And where do you get the 300 miles? They stated along the mexico US border. Maybe you would like a copy of hooked on phonics? It might help!

For your reference, a liberal news feed
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6518192.shtml
Of course they didn't state how many troops Bush sent, that would make Obama look bad!

I find it funny that Arizona found out about troop deployment thru the associated press, man our government is fucked up!

Sid70 05-26-2010 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cyber (Post 17175280)
I work in the industry? Same as you, I'd imagine.

I didnt mean any offence :) what i meant that being successfull in this biz requires solving puzzles like you just offered :)

v4 media 05-26-2010 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17175351)
You don't get out much, do you really buy the idea we need 20 million fruit pickers?


What's that 7% of your population? Seems about fair. All the shitty jobs that 90% of Americans wont do. The low paid nannies, cleaners, yard work, factories, farming, building, unskilled labor etc.


Do you not think that if all 20 million fucked off, America would be seriously buggered.

brassmonkey 05-26-2010 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 17175536)
Says the guy that claimed there are more whites on welfare than blacks and Hispanics combined. :1orglaugh
I don't have a lot of faith in your ability to read or understand statistics.

i think you should be deported with them :2 cents: anybody that supports and activity like this is just nuts.

epitome 05-26-2010 08:56 AM

Arizona is actually one of the most blue states there are.

You can buy a brand new 2000 SF house for $125K.

You can get state insurance making up to close to $2k a month.

Food stamps can be had as well.

Meanwhile in my state, Maryland, which is labeled a blue state ... the average house is about $250k and you cannot get health insurance or food stamps if you make more than about $400/mo.

What Arizona needs to do is kick its white people off welfare and stop blaming everyone else.

Vendzilla 05-26-2010 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by v4 media (Post 17175661)
What's that 7% of your population? Seems about fair. All the shitty jobs that 90% of Americans wont do. The low paid nannies, cleaners, yard work, factories, farming, building, unskilled labor etc.


Do you not think that if all 20 million fucked off, America would be seriously buggered.

No true, I went into a taco bell yesterday and the person that saw me couldn't get someone that spoke english to serve me, that job could have gone to a teenager

jimmy-3-way 05-26-2010 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Loryn (Post 17174263)
Immigration: Let's say I break into your house...

What if your house is enormous? Like so big there are rooms you've never been in. What if you just inherited your house from rich relatives?

And this person just wants to live in your shed and eat your garbage and mostly leave you alone, because living in your shed and eating your garbage is better than where they came from?

And they were willing to risk death and kidnapping to live in your shed?

Are you telling me you don't have the simple human compassion to let them live in your shed and eat your garbage? Just because it's YOUR shed?

brassmonkey 05-26-2010 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 17175735)
Arizona is actually one of the most blue states there are.

You can buy a brand new 2000 SF house for $125K.

You can get state insurance making up to close to $2k a month.

Food stamps can be had as well.

Meanwhile in my state, Maryland, which is labeled a blue state ... the average house is about $250k and you cannot get health insurance or food stamps if you make more than about $400/mo.

What Arizona needs to do is kick its white people off welfare and stop blaming everyone else.

have you ever lived here :helpme you can get stamps making $800 per month i think the cap is like $1100 but you have to be working. and kicking whites off welfare you dont know what their going through.

brassmonkey 05-26-2010 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17175739)
No true, I went into a taco bell yesterday and the person that saw me couldn't get someone that spoke english to serve me, that job could have gone to a teenager

push for a sanctions law call the sheriff on them.

v4 media 05-26-2010 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17175739)
No true, I went into a taco bell yesterday and the person that saw me couldn't get someone that spoke english to serve me, that job could have gone to a teenager


Yep the problem is most of today's teenagers are lazy fuckers who sponge off their parents. or their parents are like no my child can't work at Tacobell he's going to be a lawyer...


Different country but a good example.. In southern Spain unemployment for the under 25's is about 40% yet when it's the olive harvest they have to bring in immigrants to pick the olives because the lazy teenage Spanish wont do it.


When a poor country borders a rich one you will always have this problem.. 100's of Africans die every year trying to get to Spain, when they get here they are treated like shit, yet they still come.

Amputate Your Head 05-26-2010 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17175739)
No true, I went into a taco bell yesterday and the person that saw me couldn't get someone that spoke english to serve me, that job could have gone to a teenager

Interesting. So, let's say they shitcan one of those people and hire a teenager. A white teenager from Denmark that doesn't speak english. What then? Also, are you suggesting that Taco Bell hires illegal aliens, or do you just hate people that don't cater to your every need?

Vendzilla 05-26-2010 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by v4 media (Post 17175810)
Yep the problem is most of today's teenagers are lazy fuckers who sponge off their parents. or their parents are like no my child can't work at Tacobell he's going to be a lawyer...


Different country but a good example.. In southern Spain unemployment for the under 25's is about 40% yet when it's the olive harvest they have to bring in immigrants to pick the olives because the lazy teenage Spanish wont do it.


When a poor country borders a rich one you will always have this problem.. 100's of Africans die every year trying to get to Spain, when they get here they are treated like shit, yet they still come.

People are lazy, not just teenagers, I raised a daughter on my own and she's a great kid, in the Navy, going to medical school when she gets out

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17175818)
Interesting. So, let's say they shitcan one of those people and hire a teenager. A white teenager from Denmark that doesn't speak english. What then? Also, are you suggesting that Taco Bell hires illegal aliens, or do you just hate people that don't cater to your every need?

You just assumed they spoke spanish, I never said that. I don't hate anyone, well except Obama, he's a fucking tool. It's taco bell, not the UN, it was off I 5, they better speak english. I also didn't say anything about their legal status, just that they couldn't speak the language thats suppose to be the official language of the US, if they are here on a Visa, they need to learn the laguage.

I don't care where they come from, if they are here working, learn the language, if I were going to work in another country, I'll learn the language

Amputate Your Head 05-26-2010 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17175896)
I don't care where they come from, if they are here working, learn the language, if I were going to work in another country, I'll learn the language

And if you go deaf next year, will you be complaining because no one at Taco Bell knows sign language?

Agent 488 05-26-2010 10:01 AM

let's say i was having buttsex with yo mouth.

sperbonzo 05-26-2010 10:09 AM

If you enter Mexico illegally, they will jail you, and deport you.





END OF STORY.


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cgiGeek 05-26-2010 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Loryn (Post 17174346)
With that ideology everyone in Africa and Europe owes their land to some other group of people throughout history, because at one point they were living on "someone else's land" too, you don't believe in evolution do you... :winkwink:

I believe in evolution, you my friend is the one that wants things to stay as they are just because you are on the shiny side.
For the record I am not pro illegal immigration, I am up for merits, you get what you earn, which many people have forgotten.

Dirty Lord 05-26-2010 10:25 AM

hahahaaha


funnie

Vendzilla 05-26-2010 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17175908)
And if you go deaf next year, will you be complaining because no one at Taco Bell knows sign language?

I grew up with a step dad that was legally deaf and read lips, if I go deaf, I'll learn that as well

In Japan, I ordered a Big Mac in Yokohama, they brought me out a menu to point to, so without having the know the language, I got my Big Mac. And replied Domo

Doubt I will go deaf, I was a sonar tech for the Navy, my hearing is better than people half my age

Amputate Your Head 05-26-2010 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17176016)
I grew up with a step dad that was legally deaf and read lips, if I go deaf, I'll learn that as well

In Japan, I ordered a Big Mac in Yokohama, they brought me out a menu to point to, so without having the know the language, I got my Big Mac. And replied Domo

Doubt I will go deaf, I was a sonar tech for the Navy, my hearing is better than people half my age

It's just hypothetical. I'm not actually questioning your hearing.
But would you expect Taco Bell and every other retailer to train their employees in sign language? It doesn't sound like it. Sounds to me like you would make-do, like your Japan reference. Just like I have done many times in Germany, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, etc... and times when I've lost my voice altogether.

The world is diverse. The "speak English or get out" rhetoric is old and tired.

cgiGeek 05-26-2010 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17175739)
No true, I went into a taco bell yesterday and the person that saw me couldn't get someone that spoke english to serve me, that job could have gone to a teenager

we actually dont want you on our taco bells... fuck off and leave

TheDoc 05-26-2010 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 17175536)
Says the guy that claimed there are more whites on welfare than blacks and Hispanics combined. :1orglaugh
I don't have a lot of faith in your ability to read or understand statistics.

Then I don't have a lot of faith in your ability to understand basic 3rd grade math.

Why 05-26-2010 10:47 AM

how soon we forget that almost all of our ancestors arrived here from somewhere.

im 100% for legal immigration, but if you cant follow the rules and pay your taxes GTFO!

i have legally immigrated to, lived and worked in a foreign country, its not so bad.

Vendzilla 05-26-2010 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17176048)
It's just hypothetical. I'm not actually questioning your hearing.
But would you expect Taco Bell and every other retailer to train their employees in sign language? It doesn't sound like it. Sounds to me like you would make-do, like your Japan reference. Just like I have done many times in Germany, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, etc... and times when I've lost my voice altogether.

The world is diverse. The "speak English or get out" rhetoric is old and tired.

I agree the world is diverse, but if someone wants citizenship in a new country is it too much to ask for them to learn the language of the new country? The country is a melting pot and immigrants should learn the language. Not the other way around. My great grandmother had to learn English in her 20's and she wasn't from another country, she was a native American. Having a bunch of people in the country that can't read the laws or the road sign makes no sense. If they can't read the birth certificate of their anchor baby, that's pretty fucked up. Lets put it another way, should every teacher in the US know 5 languages? Right now over 1/3 of Texas speaks Spanish in their home, not a problem, but why should every public servant learn Spanish?

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Originally Posted by cgiGeek (Post 17176053)
we actually dont want you on our taco bells... fuck off and leave

So you own Taco Bell? or just an asshole?

Vendzilla 05-26-2010 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Why (Post 17176093)
how soon we forget that almost all of our ancestors arrived here from somewhere.

im 100% for legal immigration, but if you cant follow the rules and pay your taxes GTFO!

i have legally immigrated to, lived and worked in a foreign country, its not so bad.

My ancestors were here first, but I will share with those that get here legally

Amputate Your Head 05-26-2010 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17176114)
but why should every public servant learn Spanish?

Because a good portion of the public speaks spanish. It's not rocket surgery. If we had a large Mongolian population here, I'm sure they'd probably need to learn Mongolian as well.

epitome 05-26-2010 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 17175792)
have you ever lived here :helpme you can get stamps making $800 per month i think the cap is like $1100 but you have to be working. and kicking whites off welfare you dont know what their going through.

It was a tongue in cheek comment I made ... people like to bitch about everyone else but they refuse to look within.

TheDoc 05-26-2010 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17175593)
I wouldn't have such a hate for the asshole if he did anything right!

He let the fucking President Of Mexico bash the American people for their vote on a bill to force the US government to do what they are suppose to do, in front of CONGRESS!

Fuck Obama

I'm tired of that bowing Politically correct son of a bitch

Where do you get this 1000's? I read the news report and it said much smaller number after the Bush Plan ended in 08. And where do you get the 300 miles? They stated along the mexico US border. Maybe you would like a copy of hooked on phonics? It might help!


Should he have like dropped kicked the Mexican President? What about when other leaders have bashed us for war or economic plans and various other things, did those presidents drop kick them? When our President visits them and says things those Country people don't like, do they drop kick our president or just throw a shoe at them?

Your hate for his actions is rather crazy when every single president has done what he has.

Bush sent 6k worth, on top of what was already at the border to help monitor the build. He then reduced it back but not all the way.. leaving 1000's here to work with the crap system he put in place.

300 miles is about the length of the AZ border.

Actually, I'm a bit happier to find out he might send them across the entire border, even though our state asked for 1500 in the bill. I don't support the current 6k being asked for, I'm not much for having a war zone 10 minutes from my house even though it looks like it will happen sooner or later.

Knowing many more troops are coming, I'm willing to share.


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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17175593)
For your reference, a liberal news feed
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6518192.shtml
Of course they didn't state how many troops Bush sent, that would make Obama look bad!

I find it funny that Arizona found out about troop deployment thru the associated press, man our government is fucked up!

Why would they need to state the number? Did they state how many troops are here and how much it beefed it up? They didn't simply point out that Bush did it to monitor the failed build of the wall. ABC simply reported what happened, nothing else.

Yeah, we can find articles going back for a long time where the local and state found out through the press. Chances are he announced it, then they called up and ask if they knew about, right when the person showed up to the work 2 hours later.


Your hate towards the left/liberal ideas or this gov/obama is so misguided that it's truly pathetic. Basically if he/they don't do 'exactly' what you want - it's the worst damn thing in the world and our Country is about to burn down over it.

Get over it.... our Country is still here.

_Richard_ 05-26-2010 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cyber (Post 17174300)
I'm not seeking to gain attention. It just irks me that so many people feel illegal immigration is a clear cut thing.

My mother moved to the states because of how dangerous Nicaragua had become thanks to the US involvement with the Contras. We were wetbacks here for years (16 years to be exact) before we were granted amnesty... basically an apology for fucking up my home country.

The US gives huge subsidies to US farmers, who then sell their food so cheaply south of the border that local farmers are unable to compete, because they do not receive subsidies from their government. So, they lose their farms. What should they do? Lose their farms and work for $2 an hour in their home country, or come here illegally and make much more than that?

I'm not calling America evil. I'm saying that it has major involvement in all this. In the words of Jeremiah Wright, America's "chickens coming home to roost".

you should read about what happens when Canada tries to subsidize it's industries and what the US will do about it..

escorpio 05-26-2010 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17176080)
Then I don't have a lot of faith in your ability to understand basic 3rd grade math.

Really? Here's the stats you posted...

"Here are the statistics on welfare recipients:

Race
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White 38.8%
Black 37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian 2.8
Other 3.4"


Here's your assertion..."From what I see and based off the number of people, White people collect FAR more welfare than Blacks and Latino combined, the population difference is huge."


Please explain how you came to your conclusion.

Vendzilla 05-26-2010 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17176131)
Because a good portion of the public speaks spanish. It's not rocket surgery. If we had a large Mongolian population here, I'm sure they'd probably need to learn Mongolian as well.

So you're saying we should disregard the Asian immigrants here and the 14 different dialects they speak? Including Mongolian. Or should all the public servants learn all 14 different dialects as well?

I grew up around the corner from some Mongolians, spoke perfect English, I had a big crush on Julie!

Funny how when I grew up in California, we celebrated Cinco De Mayo, we learned Spanish in the 6th grade, we learned about the culture of Mexico, but you're telling me they shouldn't have to do that?

Should we only be concerned about large populations of a different language?

pequeño trabajo para rentabilidad grande

TheDoc 05-26-2010 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17176258)
This is what I don't get about this illegal crap. If a Mexican can come into this country not speaking the language, zero US education, and work harder for less and take away a job from any American ...possibly they're not the problem?

This country provides the best opportunity to improve your life and Americans are provided more opportunities or possibilities then any other country in the world. Again, if you have any problem with them taking your job then you're the problem..

That's not what actually happens... They take jobs because they 'work for less' that otherwise has to be a min amount and set hours, which is abused with illegals. They cost the company 'less in taxes, benefits, insurance, etc' so the company profits more squeezing out companies doing it legally.

And plenty, plenty, plenty of Americans will do the jobs, but are never offered the jobs... and for the farms they have very easy immigration paths to take for harvest times.


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