One thing that would probably happen is that most Americans would rather drive 5 miles less per day to reduce their oil consumption from the Middle East and not the Gulf.

Driving on the bicycle is a smart transportation. You can ride the bike and reach speeds of 30 km/h. Not only is it pollution free, but it is also great exercise for the legs. It is a great cardio workout. Why use a stationary bike when you can ride a real bike now!

No I would not. :)

Oil is used in the powering, lubrication, and manufacture of everything. So even if gasoline accounts for a good chunk of our consumption, the effects of replacement are least felt on the automobile. It's one item.

Here are just a few of the other things we need oil for:

Antihistamines
Credit Cards
Ink
Surfboards
Antiseptics
Asphalt
Dentures
Insecticides
Surgical Equipment
Antibiotics
Deoderant
Lipstick
Syringes
Artificial Limbs
Diapers
Medical Equipment
Telephones
Aspirin
Dinnerware
Nylon Rope
Tennis Balls
Balloons
DVDs
Pacemakers
Tennis Rackets
Bandages
Dyes
Pantyhose
Tennis Shoes
Cameras
Eyeglass Frames
Perfumes
Tents
Candles
Fertilizers
Photographic Film
Toothbrushes
Clothing
Food Preservatives
Piano Keys
Toothpaste
Computers
Footballs
Plastics
Toys
Cough Syrup
Glue Shampoo
Tranquilizers
Cosmetics
Golf Balls
Shaving Cream
Umbrellas
Crayons
Heart Valve Replacements
Soft Contact Lenses
Vitamin Capsules

Those are just a sampling. There are many many more.... jet fuel, train fuel, ship fuel, electrical generation fuel.... so in my personal opinion, any statistics that show cars as the most significant consumption of oil is inaccurate, and why I say getting an electric car won't make any difference. Not unless you're also willing to give up everything else.

I'm probably gonna buy me a Tesla model S when it comes out. Only longterm solution that will work is Battery Electric Vehicle.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...sectorcons.gif

Dont forget airlines.

People like to point the finger at cars and say "drive less"

LOL look in the sky to see millions of gallons being used faster than any car ever could

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24410809

Yeah, I've seen the charts.

How much of that transportation fuel is commuters going to work versus transportation involved in manufacture, supply, distribution, and consumption of all of the other products? If I order a product from China, (a product which required oil in the product itself, the creation of the product, the powering of the plant that made it, the manufacture, supply, distribution of the clothes the workers wear, etc).... and the jet fuel to fly it to California after I order it?

We going to bring the world to a halt logistically? No more planes, no more ships....
The typical electric car people want to buy has probably used more oil by the time you buy it than you will ever run through it's gas tank.

Gonna do my part. :thumbsup

Electric car is still a big advantage over gas even with increased demands for power. That pollution will be out of your neighborhoods, city streets, schools, parks. It'll be burning off in the power plant instead. Dont forget also all of the parts that internal combustion requires. Lots of mess and waste of parts that need replacing because of carbon build up and all that crap. It's a whole industry against it of not only oil/gas, but parts makers and suppliers and such.

It's ironic that some cities pass laws of no smoking near public parks because children play there. But you can park right up against the fence, or intersections spewing and spewing and spewing far more carcinogens than any number of second hand cigarette smoke could ever equal. Nobody gives a fuck. It's not a sexy political issue that can be solved in one term. Out of mind, out of mind. Doesnt mean it wouldnt be a vast improvement in quality of life. How can that really be measured before hand?

Anyway sure, I havent driven since christmas.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...prodsector.gif

Distillate is mainly Diesel

I think we need to let it take some time, electric cars are the easiest to switch fast. Then when batteries are cheaper we can start making all trucks electrical. For planes we can use biofuels, there have been several successful tests mixing biofuel with jetfuel. The real hard part will be ships.
I'm optimistic and think that by 2020 all cars sold will be electric and by 2050 95% of all transportation will be electric and the rest will use biofuels.

Hopefully generation 4 nuclear plants will solve any problems we will have generating electricity.

When you do a comparison like this though, you can't just go by US consumption charts. A fair chunk of our "stuff" comes from other countries. That oil must be factored in. That's why these charts are inaccurate. Taking just one item again, the car... many of our cars are imports. All the oil required by those factories and their workers and their transportation getting it here, etc. must count against our oil consumption, because with imported items it's no longer about our oil cost... but rather total oil consumption.
Same could be said for exports. The receiving country is the end consumer of all the oil used in the process of making whatever it is they imported.

My reasoning for this is simple. It's the same principle that is applied to anything. No demand for something, no oil used in making or shipping it. I feel our concerns are misplaced as a nation. Everyone is all hot to "go green" and get themselves an electric car, but unless we figure out a way to replace oil completely, nothing changes. And remember, the electricity you're fueling your new car with.... came from an electric plant that's using oil to make your electricity. The ships need fuel to bring the oil to the plant. And all those workers at the plant, driving their cars and trucks, and buying their oil products.... and on and on and on.

2004 is like stone age away when it comes to modern world time ;)

I wonder what are the things that are going to get chopped off that list first as oil becomes more expensive as the supply starts to dwindle...probably sooner than later...

We're not going to run out of oil tomorrow, but I think things will just gradually keep getting more and more expensive as the oil supplies go down. For example, at some point only the wealthy will be flying in planes.

You need to start somewhere, we can't do it all at once. Since oil is just hydrocarbons and we know we can synthezise those, it it just a matter of time before we are able to replace everything.

The question is how much will the seawater level rise before we are done, 10 centimeter, 1 meter or 10 meters. We humans are the only ones that risk to be hard hit by this, nature will adapt to rising tempratures, other types of pollution is more critical for mother nature.

Run out, no. but even the US military is looking at the political and social problems that could be coming as supplies start to dwindle...

"The US military has warned that surplus oil production capacity could disappear within two years and there could be serious shortages by 2015 with a significant economic and political impact."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...duction-supply

Let's hope so. :thumbsup


Of course, if we don't find a suitable replacement at some stage, the world's militarys will be hanging on to the last of the oil. That's why we are setting up Walmarts and McDonalds in the middle east now. The US intends to keep that oil over there for ourselves. (anyone that really believes we went there to "liberate Iraqis" is delusional.)

Interesting thought though.... these countries that built themselves around oil, like Saudi Arabia, are fucked when the wells run dry. At least Dubai is trying to transform themselves into a resort area. Who the fuck wants to go to Saudi Arabia though?

yes you have to start somewhere. i drive a hybrid. use public transport when i can. don't run AC constantly in house. looking into solar setup for home too.

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it is only a matter of time

http://www.oilcrisis.com/

I barely drive 5.4 miles a day.

sure, np :)

I already do.