Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17249076)

wrong when you are brainwashed about a situation you are indeed an idiot about it. i was there before, i used to be 100% on the other side of this issue until i did my own research and stopped listening to what people in the media tell me.

before i def. was a brainwashed idiot on the situation and now i have wised up. at least i am man enough to admit my faults.

i do not want to "come together" with people who refuse to think outside of the 4 walls they live in. these people you can lie to for years, let them know it was a lie and they will continue to rather believe in the lie rather than realize they are wrong and hear the truth. they do not want to proceed with the truth. proceeding with the truth means that it will force change. and most of these types do not want change.

i would rather move forward with the truth even if i found out my entire life was a lie.

you cannot come together with people like that, it is impossible.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17249108)

keep believing that so you can continue to point your finger at others,

media wins.

you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17249170)

i point my finger at myself, for enjoying a capitalist society and understanding what it does to the world.

i place blame on my own actions first and foremost. do not get me misunderstood.

it is far beyond media. it is what people are taught in school, who teaches them. it goes deeper than media.

you can continue to try to take neutral ground on every subject but sitting on the fence makes no changes in the world. just because you do not want to choose a side does not make your right either.

at least i have the balls to choose a side. playing middle ground on every situation is a truly weak way to live.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17249178)

you truly are simplistic in your thinking and myopic in your views of others. you wax over several of my comments that reveal my stance so you can continue to point your finger.

Originally Posted by theking (Post 17249140)

You have not researched anything. What you have done is research what others have said...or written. You speak about "truth" and the reality is that "truth" is subjective and illusive and comes in many shades of "truth".

You are entitled to think what you choose but your idea of what is "truth" is only "truth" to you and those that may agree with you...but because you and maybe others think it is "truth" does not make it "the" singular "truth".

Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17249216)

you have not made a "stance" your stance depends on whose post you are quoting.

i bet you people in this thread know my stance and no one knows yours. funny how that works.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17246731)

letting more countries have nukes is not the answer. fact is, nuclear weapons will prove to be an anomaly in history.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17247061)

funny but the persians i know abhor the iranian government more than they do america or israel.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17247104)

i'm going to converse with you because i am killing time, but the point is this-

i've visited iran. i went with my ex to meet her family. THEY were not impressed with their own government. they and their friends that i met went out of their way to let me know that they do not approve of how their government acts. according to each and every one of them i met, it's why they refer to themselves as persian and not iranian.



it's the government that is the problem, not *iran* and certainly not the people of iran.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17247191)

again- more countries having nuclear weapons is not the answer, it's worse.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17248924)

i'm american & i've seen that more than once in the time since it was produced several years ago.

& as i have said here time and time again, and there are several posters in this thread that know it- the media is the problem. and as long as we have the metamans of the world name-calling & denigrating others for not seeing the world EXACTLY as he does, we will continue to be groups that are splintered and unable to come together to create change.

media wins. :upsidedow

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17249108)

keep believing that so you can continue to point your finger at others,

media wins.

you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Originally Posted by theking (Post 17247428)

You just love pigshit...now don't you?

Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17248943)

hey stupid just because you dont like the killing of innocent people does not mean you have anything against a group.

i have problems with Israel and the zionists in american who start war with them.

this may SHOCK YOU but there is jewish people who live all over the world in peace and harmony. and not every jewish person in Israel or America supports the occupation.

if you watched the vid above you would understand that.

the jews in the video that did not agree with policy were called "self jew haters".

and warned that the greatest threat to Judaism is the fact that anytime you do not agree with policy you are labeled as an anti Semite or a self hating jew. this in turns distracts from real anti Semites who want to see the jews go down.

just because i do not agree with policy does not mean i have anything against the people. many jews in Israel agree with my views.

but you are a complete tool anyway. but you feel cool throwing out words like "anti semite" because it is the thing to do.

you are a brainwashed dumb fuck and anyone who reads your post realizes you are completely useless. even when you try to be funny you come off as a complete idiot. dont quote me anymore it pains my brain to have to respond to people who cant understand the base of a topic before responding.

but hey you quoted me about the video because you watched it first right? you did watch it NOT.

idiot. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17249237)

You believe 9/11 was carried out by 19 islamic terrorists. Where did you get this belief? was it from your own research or was it from TV?

Just wondering

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 17249286)

you're the idiot for spending that much time and putting that much thought into a response to a post fucking with you... :thumbsup

I WIN.... :2 cents:









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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17249254)

i responded to each and every one of your posts so wtf are you talking about?

funny how you wax over my point that no one should have nuclear weapons. its real neat when we can use cool catch phrases like "wax over" isnt it?

so what is your stance? more nukes is not good but the countries who have them currently legal or not it is ok?

sounds fair to me!

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17249423)

in regards to this topic-

war is wrong.
nuclear is wrong.
government is wrong.
media is wrong.

period.

that said, i admit that i have no idea how to put those genies back in their bottles.

Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17249803)

You're wrong

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17249862)

i don't have a problem being wrong. mm asked for my stance & the comments i posted truthfully reflect that, right or wrong.


have a nice day. :)

Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17247047)

LOL at you idiots, why dont you put yourself in Irans shoes. America invades Iraq over complete lies. which happens to be their neighbor. have you people not learned anything?

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17247910)

how on earth you came up with all this as a retort for my comment is beyond me. i've never advocated overthrowing anything, when the fuck did i ever say that? never is when. and i certainly do not need a fucking history lesson on persia/iran.

i was told the reason for calling themselves persians by every single one i met, not by a canadian, not an american, not a politician, not the wikipedia, not the fucking television. i have no reason to believe you over them. NONE. they were all very wonderful people and respected me and my views as they reflected theirs in conversation.

you gfyers just look for reasons to try and *correct* other's view & align them to your's.

and if you think i am going to think any person yapping in this thread is an authority on the middle east, you are truly drinking your own kool-aid.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17250082)

Yeah, we didn't have a reason at all.

http://planetsave.com/files/2007/12/...-oil-fires.jpg

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17250082)

Yeah, we didn't have a reason at all.

http://planetsave.com/files/2007/12/...-oil-fires.jpg

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 17250125)

We set the oil wells on fire during the Gulf War. What do you think the odds are that we did it again?

Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 17250088)

Dude, people have never called themselves Iranians, it's ALWAYS been Persians long before this government came into power. How can the government that JUST came into power have changed the past?

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17250082)

Yeah, we didn't have a reason at all.

http://planetsave.com/files/2007/12/...-oil-fires.jpg

Originally Posted by theking (Post 17250209)

Pigshit.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 17250235)

Gulf War Vets question U.S. role in Oil Well Fires

"One veteran has now stepped forward and given a detailed account of how he and others in special teams, moved forward of the front, (behind enemy lines ahead of US forces) and then set charges on the well heads. "We were mustered into the briefing tent at which point a gentleman whom I first had thought to be an American began to brief us on the operation. I was concerned because he was not wearing a US uniform and insignias."
The information provided over a series of meetings with this veteran corroborates reports from other veterans who are totally unconnected with this individual. This testimony brings into serious question the integrity of the US government, as it provided information to the American public and military during the last Gulf War."

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0302/S00215.htm

It should also be pretty much common knowledge by now that the majority of the oil fires in the Gulf, Iraq and Kuwait were from us droppping napalm and FAEs on/around the wells.

Originally Posted by theking (Post 17250246)

Damn...you just love consuming pigshit.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 17250253)

Did you personally see any Iraqi's setting off oil wells?

Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17250233)

nice twist on my post.

i said over COMPLETE LIES!

not "we didnt have a reason at all"

point out where i said that.

nice twist. you cant even admit it was based off of lies. you have a dradel so far up your ass you even somehow convince yourself your spin on my post is right. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17250232)

not sure why you are pressing this issue with me, i simply shared my experience with what people there said to me, including more than several senior citizens, who pre-date the current government there.


is it right or wrong, i don't fucking know, but it's my fucking experience- nothing more nothing less. if yours is different, i could not really give a fuck but back the fuck off.

now please, you bore me, go gfy.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17246238)

Sweet.

Now Israel just needs to prepare to fight the entire middle east by themselves.

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 17252108)

so the senior citizens there told you that they called themselves Persians when they were kids because they knew that 50 years later there would be a government they would hate?

I'm only pressing the issue because it's so blatantly obvious that you're LYING. Give it up dude. They were always Persians. Stop lying.