Go ask 5 friends what their favorite adult sites are.

I recently did this experiment and got a mixture of the following:

Redtube, youporn, youjizz, xtube, etc.

Good luck with that.

HOLY SHIT!.... You have 5 friends????

:winkwink: Sup man. You still in AZ?

your so right it not like you can get the content by signup for a membership :error:error:error

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forbes_Nash,_Jr.

adam smith is wrong nash was right

learn the principle and maybe stupid statements like the above will stop.

I don't believe this for one minute.

There is no way you have five friends.

Maybe I asked one friend 5x, but my theory is still valid.

congrats on the 1,000,000th thread about the same subject! :thumbsup

Sadly, you're also the 1,000,000th posting the same thread and not having a solution to the problem, so we've to forfeit the prize :(

as many posters said, you can enforce... I don't know, say 200000, 500000 or whatever amount of sites to not giving the goods for free. Everybody else will keep (well, in fact grow enormously) the traffic and, somehow, the money.

Now, let's say there's some kind of union or global awareness or Age of Aquarius or whatever and 100% of adult sites decide not to give everything for free. Then you'll find 10x the amount of existing sites in the form of individual users sharing porn on peer to peer or whatever media people wants.

Close all peer to peer, all file storage (piracy) sites, all forums, everything known to these days.... and people will find another way to circumvent this.

Does it mean adult business is doomed? No. However, only professionals will remain, there's no more room for basement kids making easy money, or part-time porn fans, not even l33t haxor kids. When somebody mentioned the word "marketing" in this thread I fell off my chair laughing (yes you fucker, you owe me a new hip!!! :mad: ). Without exaggeration, I'd bet 95% of adult companies (even established companies) has no marketing professionals nor a slight idea on what marketing is. And I'm saying 95% because I'm willing to cut adult business some slack, realistically speaking I'd say adult companies working on real marketing strategies (whether they're using marketing pros or they have people that knows it intuitively) must be below 100, probably around 50-60, no much more than that. Companies using data research, technological trending, branding and such... probably no more than 25-30.

See, the idea about "marketing" in adult is salesmen and aff representatives. End of story. Although they're needed, they're just the tip of the iceberg. Adult biz is at least 2-3 years behind in technology, 5-6 in marketing trends. How do you want an aff rep to work with business models that are already dead?

So let's get real. The very own definition of marketing could give you the idea you need to solve the equation, at least a clue or a starting point. I just took the very basics and already have several ways to override this, and currently working on one of these roads, once it's clogged.... I'll have another road and so on. Do your homework and it will pay. Open a book. Inform yourself. It pays much more than trolling in GFY :2 cents:

Everyone tries to out do the other by giving more free porn away, somehow thinking this will result in more sales when in fact it does the opposite.

This is what happens when you have so many people trying to run a business with NO business experience or even any idea of how to run one.

Hi!

I read your post and I think you are absolutely right. We have already released extremely soft-core or non-nude free content out there as teasers, and nothing more, and it works very well for us.

Of course, users have a choice of millions of girls out there, but when they like 1 particular girl, for whatever reason, they constantly return and are more than happy to pay for some true one-on-one time, to enjoy live, nude content, that can't be found anywhere else.

I agree 100% with what you said but unfortunately site owners and content creators will always try to 1-up the others in the grab for eyeballs and clicks.

Not to sidetrack this thread...but seriously? There isn't a "marketing professional" in the world who can sell my stuff better than me. And there are quite a few guys in this business who run circles around guys who took a marketing class.

Just sayin'...Knowing a niche down to the greatest details and knowing EXACTLY what makes the lovers of that niche's dicks get hard beats the hell out of some marketing guru and his stats and charts and no knowledge of the niche.

This is porn, and we fulfill a need that is unique and special. This ain't selling televisions and cars. This is selling fantasy and sexual satisfaction.

nice post.. but its too late.

the only thing that can save the porn biz, is a worldwide ban of easy accessible porn.
ie.. governments around the world would declare that all porn should be behind the members area..

Even for this, i wont hold my breathe.. (but im surprised it hasnt happened yet.. cos there is just too much freeporn out there.)

It's way too late.

We've always believed in "less is more" and grind our teeth releasing FHG's...etc... but the affiliates scream their heads off demanding tons of free content to release to world thinking that's the way to get sales. What we hate is some affiliate post EVERY SINGLE gallery and image we offer to help advertise our sites... these affiliates are fools because why in the hell would anybody buy the site when you can sort thru dozens of free images??

Currently we are setting up a new affiliate program to remove all the affiliates that are dumping our FHG's everywhere for free.

Hell, we've only been online for 2 years, but if you Google "Apple Twins" or "Jolie Twins" there are 100000's of sites featuring free content.

It's our own dam faults for releasing all the free images to affiliates.

You only need 10 images TOPS. When a man sees what he likes, he will buy. If he doesn't like it, throwing 30 galleries at his face won't convince him to buy. It's an impulse purchase.

The entire affiliate set up is wrong and must change.

We WILL be changing ours this month. And, this time, we don't care if people scream because they way they are doing it now, doesn't work.

When you walk into a liquor store, the best porn mags are sealed in plastic. They don't let you look for free.... why?? Cause THEY WON'T BUY THE COW IF THEY CAN GET THE MILK FOR FREE. Duh!!!

I wish women ran the adult market online cause men give it away for free. Women know to make them pay for it.

We're going to be sealing our sites up in plastic and only let people see the cover "the tour" and maybe a few other "covers" and that's it.

These dam FHG's and giving away free samples is all bullshit and doesn't work.

Porn is free now, so there is extra money in consumer's pockets to buy the high end niches that they secretly enjoy..... IF they can't Google it and see it for FREE!!!

well, maybe you'd have continued reading like 10 words ahead :winkwink:

as for this:

Your own words are proving you wrong. Please bear with me while I explain it:

Your first sentence is quite right (barring all needs are unique and special, but let's assume this is way more special).

The second is right to some extent: I wouldn't hire RadioShack's marketing manager to run an adult campaign, that's a given, and that's why marketing has specialization fields: by this time, adult business should have many marketing pros (I mean pros by acquired knowledge or by experience/intuition), and we all know they barely exist. Heck, I've seen a " GFY Educational Series" on marketing where the article was about.... Winnieh the Pooh (for real). I disagree somehow on the "cars" subject, since there are several correlations between sex and cars (as a matter of fact, most car marketing revolves around sex).

And your 3rd sentence is true to some extent.

yet, you're proving yourself wrong.

See, by your own words, any person in the world who likes sex or porn should be able to be a successful adult industry marketer. I hope you will agree that's not the case, very far away from that. let's go further: would you say many of the adult companies closing doors didn't like sex? or they didn't know about adult business? We both know the answer. Yet, they're closing. They had experience, they liked sex, some of them had countless economic resources and hefty budgets, and they're closing. While you are not.

Wouldn't you say that you have some kind of advantage (whether it's by acquired knowledge or experience/intuition) they didn't have? Or maybe they used non-professional "bros", friends or people that simply likes sex?

another example by your own premise: I like computers, I use them everyday, I use search engines to search for data. So that should entitle me to be Google's Marketing Director, after all I like the same things. Yet I've the feeling Google CEO will laugh at me, even thought I'm willing to take the position for 1/4 of what they're paying now.

So no Robbie, you're wrong. You've specific skills and abilities, and you're an exception, not the norm. I'm pretty sure you know a lot of inside information about adult companies, probably more than me, and even though you love to be a nitpicker (like in this thread :winkwink:) you'll have to agree most of the failures came because of lack of professionalism and wrong human resources

I am an expert at that! :1orglaugh

But seriously, what I meant is that a person who is really in this business and can see the big picture AND at the same time be hands on from the ground up can, will, and does run circles around any market specialist who thinks they can come in and show me how to do it.

And no, I'm not talking about the guys who run some of these generic sites or outsource all their shoots and have a dozen or so guys doing everything for them. I'm talking about real porn guys who have a vision and drive. :)

Now as for those generic sites...I'm afraid they can have as many marketing specialists and affiliate reps and big PPS promos as they want. But FREE is still gonna kill them. They can't sell a paysite that has the entire members area ripped and easy to find on a thousand file sharing sites. :(

And those guys are starting to drop like flies.

Robbie, I think that in regard to this, you *are* a marketing professional. Niche knowledge like you possess is the equivalent of stats and charts.

well, you're hitting the nail in the head here. Generic sites or "mainstream porn" are due to a a slow death. Well, some of them will die fast. However, they've the resources to change while they're still on time, and that's something not everybody has. ie, I may know a lot, have great ideas and blah blah blah yet I need to build capital to make it happen. By the time I have the money, that great idea may be outdated or made by someone else. Big companies have the chance to change in days or weeks and make things happen. However, most of them (in adult and non-adult, this is a very common problem) are bound to inertia and very unwilling to change.

Then again, if they could only open their eyes, they could still be the head of the pack rather than dying.

But yes, you're right here, GENERIC/MAINSTREAM/DEPERSONALIZED porn is doomed :2 cents:

this is true. giving away too much free content kills the sales ...

Problem is those big companies are inert just as you say.

I can identify a problem and/or a solution and have it up and running in an hour. For those bigger companies where the owner himself isn't up to par and has no skill set...he may NEVER identify a problem or a solution at all. And IF he does, then he puts his "team" to work on it. And maybe a month later they finally get something done.

Meanwhile, guys like me have already moved on to a thousand other things.

A few years back we were like those big companies. Had a big office. 10 different employees each working on their own "department". And everytime I wanted to move quickly on something I had to consult with my two partners and convince them of the reasoning.

That alone could take a week. :(

I'm so glad to be small and fast now. It's what is keeping me above water in this age of piracy + bad economy.

I hope to NEVER have another partner. And now I only keep two employees and they answer directly to me and do exactly what I tell them when I tell them to do it. All the decisions are mine and mine alone. :pimp

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Okay, we'll change. Boy, I never knew solving the tube problem would be so easy. Glad that's over with.

1998 profits, here we coooooome baby!!

DDF = Respect. I love your shit! I do agree on most points. And D is taking about incorporating the "tease" aspect back into our general marketing.